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(12-22-2020 05:29 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  Well I suppose we can just disagree about what "debunked" means. In a he said she said kind of case like this, there isn't usually going to be evidence to backup a claim. Of course the "named people" are going to back the prez to stay in his good graces. Do you think any of them would actually confirm the story? The burden of proof is on the accuser, and it's a common problem in law and policing. Tricky stuff to nail down.

That being said, I do think that it fits Trump's M.O. There are thousands of these kinds of reports of Trump saying disparaging things about individuals and whole groups of people in private. We sometimes get evidence, but we're not going to get that stuff in the oval office. "grab 'em by the p*ssy" and crap like that was before he was prez.

Here's a fun list of the people, places and things that Trump has insulted on Twitter since declaring his run for presidency, with links to every single instance (hasn't been updated in over a year, I'm sure we could add more to the list!): https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016...sults.html

He denigrates our own cities and our allies: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...26366.html
Baltimore is a "rat-infested" city and "no human being would want to live there".
He's a sitting president talking about our own cities like they're some third-world war-torn shithole. Does it sound like he loves this country? Does it sound like he wants to represent ALL American citizens?

So is it that far-fetched to think that he would insult people that have fought for our country? He doesn't know what it means to serve. He's never done anything altruistic or valiant or sacrificial in his life. It's a mindset he doesn't understand, so he insults it.

He's a spoiled rich kid, a brat, a sociopath, lashing out at the world. His own family doesn't like him. He's helmed more failed businesses than you would think possible. He has had numerous lawsuits aimed at him. He was impeached. He has so many sexual misconduct allegations that there's a whole wikipedia page about it, and it's not short - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Tru...llegations . And he knows that his time is almost up, his immunity is dwindling, the sharks are circling. His mind can't comprehend that he is a loser. He lost the election. His house of cards is crumbling. I can't wait until this sad chapter of American history is behind us.

Do you think he'll leave on his own, or will they have to drag his fat ass out of the White House in handcuffs?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...li=BBnb7Kz

(12-24-2020 01:11 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 05:29 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  Well I suppose we can just disagree about what "debunked" means. In a he said she said kind of case like this, there isn't usually going to be evidence to backup a claim. Of course the "named people" are going to back the prez to stay in his good graces. Do you think any of them would actually confirm the story? The burden of proof is on the accuser, and it's a common problem in law and policing. Tricky stuff to nail down.

That being said, I do think that it fits Trump's M.O. There are thousands of these kinds of reports of Trump saying disparaging things about individuals and whole groups of people in private. We sometimes get evidence, but we're not going to get that stuff in the oval office. "grab 'em by the p*ssy" and crap like that was before he was prez.

Here's a fun list of the people, places and things that Trump has insulted on Twitter since declaring his run for presidency, with links to every single instance (hasn't been updated in over a year, I'm sure we could add more to the list!): https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016...sults.html

He denigrates our own cities and our allies: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...26366.html
Baltimore is a "rat-infested" city and "no human being would want to live there".
He's a sitting president talking about our own cities like they're some third-world war-torn shithole. Does it sound like he loves this country? Does it sound like he wants to represent ALL American citizens?

So is it that far-fetched to think that he would insult people that have fought for our country? He doesn't know what it means to serve. He's never done anything altruistic or valiant or sacrificial in his life. It's a mindset he doesn't understand, so he insults it.

He's a spoiled rich kid, a brat, a sociopath, lashing out at the world. His own family doesn't like him. He's helmed more failed businesses than you would think possible. He has had numerous lawsuits aimed at him. He was impeached. He has so many sexual misconduct allegations that there's a whole wikipedia page about it, and it's not short - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Tru...llegations . And he knows that his time is almost up, his immunity is dwindling, the sharks are circling. His mind can't comprehend that he is a loser. He lost the election. His house of cards is crumbling. I can't wait until this sad chapter of American history is behind us.

Do you think he'll leave on his own, or will they have to drag his fat ass out of the White House in handcuffs?

Trump will be at Mar-a-Lago on January 20, continuing to rage-rant on Twitter and every other platform (NEWSMAX) he can that the election was "rigged", "fraudulent," and that he is still rightful President of the US.

And there will be thousands of people who still believe him.

Trump is the King of all Liars.

(12-24-2020 03:18 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  And there will be thousands of people who still believe him.

People are dumb and he will continue to milk them out of every last cent he can. Donate to the legal fund! Donate to the 2024 Campaign! It is sickening.

(12-24-2020 03:18 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 01:11 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 05:29 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  Well I suppose we can just disagree about what "debunked" means. In a he said she said kind of case like this, there isn't usually going to be evidence to backup a claim. Of course the "named people" are going to back the prez to stay in his good graces. Do you think any of them would actually confirm the story? The burden of proof is on the accuser, and it's a common problem in law and policing. Tricky stuff to nail down.

That being said, I do think that it fits Trump's M.O. There are thousands of these kinds of reports of Trump saying disparaging things about individuals and whole groups of people in private. We sometimes get evidence, but we're not going to get that stuff in the oval office. "grab 'em by the p*ssy" and crap like that was before he was prez.

Here's a fun list of the people, places and things that Trump has insulted on Twitter since declaring his run for presidency, with links to every single instance (hasn't been updated in over a year, I'm sure we could add more to the list!): https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016...sults.html

He denigrates our own cities and our allies: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...26366.html
Baltimore is a "rat-infested" city and "no human being would want to live there".
He's a sitting president talking about our own cities like they're some third-world war-torn shithole. Does it sound like he loves this country? Does it sound like he wants to represent ALL American citizens?

So is it that far-fetched to think that he would insult people that have fought for our country? He doesn't know what it means to serve. He's never done anything altruistic or valiant or sacrificial in his life. It's a mindset he doesn't understand, so he insults it.

He's a spoiled rich kid, a brat, a sociopath, lashing out at the world. His own family doesn't like him. He's helmed more failed businesses than you would think possible. He has had numerous lawsuits aimed at him. He was impeached. He has so many sexual misconduct allegations that there's a whole wikipedia page about it, and it's not short - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Tru...llegations . And he knows that his time is almost up, his immunity is dwindling, the sharks are circling. His mind can't comprehend that he is a loser. He lost the election. His house of cards is crumbling. I can't wait until this sad chapter of American history is behind us.

Do you think he'll leave on his own, or will they have to drag his fat ass out of the White House in handcuffs?

Trump will be at Mar-a-Lago on January 20, continuing to rage-rant on Twitter and every other platform (NEWSMAX) he can that the election was "rigged", "fraudulent," and that he is still rightful President of the US.

And there will be thousands of people who still believe him.

...and many of those who question the legitimacy of the election are Democrats.

(12-28-2020 08:03 AM)brovol Wrote:  ...and many of those who question the legitimacy of the election are Democrats.

Define "many".

Of all of the stories that I have read, seen, heard, discussed, had shared anecdotally, the only people that legitimately question the legitimacy of the election are either Trump supporters or those looking to gain by association.

I, myself, have questions and concerns about some of the practices and protocol utilized in EVERY election, but that doesn't delegitimize the entire process. Room for improvement, sure.

(12-28-2020 08:03 AM)brovol Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 03:18 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 01:11 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 05:29 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  Well I suppose we can just disagree about what "debunked" means. In a he said she said kind of case like this, there isn't usually going to be evidence to backup a claim. Of course the "named people" are going to back the prez to stay in his good graces. Do you think any of them would actually confirm the story? The burden of proof is on the accuser, and it's a common problem in law and policing. Tricky stuff to nail down.

That being said, I do think that it fits Trump's M.O. There are thousands of these kinds of reports of Trump saying disparaging things about individuals and whole groups of people in private. We sometimes get evidence, but we're not going to get that stuff in the oval office. "grab 'em by the p*ssy" and crap like that was before he was prez.

Here's a fun list of the people, places and things that Trump has insulted on Twitter since declaring his run for presidency, with links to every single instance (hasn't been updated in over a year, I'm sure we could add more to the list!): https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016...sults.html

He denigrates our own cities and our allies: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...26366.html
Baltimore is a "rat-infested" city and "no human being would want to live there".
He's a sitting president talking about our own cities like they're some third-world war-torn shithole. Does it sound like he loves this country? Does it sound like he wants to represent ALL American citizens?

So is it that far-fetched to think that he would insult people that have fought for our country? He doesn't know what it means to serve. He's never done anything altruistic or valiant or sacrificial in his life. It's a mindset he doesn't understand, so he insults it.

He's a spoiled rich kid, a brat, a sociopath, lashing out at the world. His own family doesn't like him. He's helmed more failed businesses than you would think possible. He has had numerous lawsuits aimed at him. He was impeached. He has so many sexual misconduct allegations that there's a whole wikipedia page about it, and it's not short - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Tru...llegations . And he knows that his time is almost up, his immunity is dwindling, the sharks are circling. His mind can't comprehend that he is a loser. He lost the election. His house of cards is crumbling. I can't wait until this sad chapter of American history is behind us.

Do you think he'll leave on his own, or will they have to drag his fat ass out of the White House in handcuffs?

Trump will be at Mar-a-Lago on January 20, continuing to rage-rant on Twitter and every other platform (NEWSMAX) he can that the election was "rigged", "fraudulent," and that he is still rightful President of the US.

And there will be thousands of people who still believe him.

...and many of those who question the legitimacy of the election are Democrats.

Really? Any evidence to back up your claim?

Also, do you believe Biden's win isn't legitimate?

(12-28-2020 10:18 AM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(12-28-2020 08:03 AM)brovol Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 03:18 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 01:11 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 05:29 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  Well I suppose we can just disagree about what "debunked" means. In a he said she said kind of case like this, there isn't usually going to be evidence to backup a claim. Of course the "named people" are going to back the prez to stay in his good graces. Do you think any of them would actually confirm the story? The burden of proof is on the accuser, and it's a common problem in law and policing. Tricky stuff to nail down.

That being said, I do think that it fits Trump's M.O. There are thousands of these kinds of reports of Trump saying disparaging things about individuals and whole groups of people in private. We sometimes get evidence, but we're not going to get that stuff in the oval office. "grab 'em by the p*ssy" and crap like that was before he was prez.

Here's a fun list of the people, places and things that Trump has insulted on Twitter since declaring his run for presidency, with links to every single instance (hasn't been updated in over a year, I'm sure we could add more to the list!): https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016...sults.html

He denigrates our own cities and our allies: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...26366.html
Baltimore is a "rat-infested" city and "no human being would want to live there".
He's a sitting president talking about our own cities like they're some third-world war-torn shithole. Does it sound like he loves this country? Does it sound like he wants to represent ALL American citizens?

So is it that far-fetched to think that he would insult people that have fought for our country? He doesn't know what it means to serve. He's never done anything altruistic or valiant or sacrificial in his life. It's a mindset he doesn't understand, so he insults it.

He's a spoiled rich kid, a brat, a sociopath, lashing out at the world. His own family doesn't like him. He's helmed more failed businesses than you would think possible. He has had numerous lawsuits aimed at him. He was impeached. He has so many sexual misconduct allegations that there's a whole wikipedia page about it, and it's not short - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Tru...llegations . And he knows that his time is almost up, his immunity is dwindling, the sharks are circling. His mind can't comprehend that he is a loser. He lost the election. His house of cards is crumbling. I can't wait until this sad chapter of American history is behind us.

Do you think he'll leave on his own, or will they have to drag his fat ass out of the White House in handcuffs?

Trump will be at Mar-a-Lago on January 20, continuing to rage-rant on Twitter and every other platform (NEWSMAX) he can that the election was "rigged", "fraudulent," and that he is still rightful President of the US.

And there will be thousands of people who still believe him.

...and many of those who question the legitimacy of the election are Democrats.

Really? Any evidence to back up your claim?

Also, do you believe Biden's win isn't legitimate?

Not that I put much weight in polls, but you on the left seem to. Here is one after the election from Politico, a left leaning source. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/09...ons-435488

Says that 90% of Democrats thought the election was fair. Thats 10% of Democrats who dont trust the results. Pretty high number, considering your guy won, dont you think. That says nothing of the 70+% of Republicans who think the results were hogwash.

You all wish to present this as a "fringe" group who question the legitimacy of the election. I think that if everyone's life depended on a truthful answer to whether Biden won legitimately (meaning if only honest/legitimate votes counted) 50% of Democrats would admit skepticism about the "legitimacy" of Biden's "win". Deny if you will....

(12-28-2020 11:00 AM)brovol Wrote:  Says that 90% of Democrats thought the election was fair. Thats 10% of Democrats who dont trust the results. Pretty high number, considering your guy won, dont you think. That says nothing of the 70+% of Republicans who think the results were hogwash.

You all wish to present this as a "fringe" group who question the legitimacy of the election. I think that if everyone's life depended on a truthful answer to whether Biden won legitimately (meaning if only honest/legitimate votes counted) 50% of Democrats would admit skepticism about the "legitimacy" of Biden's "win". Deny if you will....

Sorry, brovol...your hyperbole aside, this is a garbage data point. There is no explanation as to WHY 10% felt as they did. That 10% could just as easily have been talking about votes in PA not being counted when they felt they should have. That 10% could have been showing their distrust of the system allowing loopholes to challenge.

I think what you can realistically infer is that the team that won increased their trust of the vote, the team that lost decreased their trust. A pretty clear relationship bias.

Make no mistake, brovol...I never said, nor am I saying, that Trump supporters or those looking to gain are a fringe group. They made up about 47% of the vote. My statement was that they are the ones calling the legitimacy of the result into question. NOT that there aren't a lot of people doing it. If anything, I think the link that you shared reinforces that position.

The answer to the question asked in this thread appears to be: YES.