(12-23-2020 09:31 PM)Schema Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 08:37 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  First ever heard doing it with not all at least playing the same number of conf games? Really?

I don't see that being realistic. I vote for 3-5-5 if divisions may be removed.

Agreed. I wouldn't be in favor of a free-for-all schedule. Give me the same 3 rivalry games every year, and rotate the rest. For Virginia Tech, I'd like to play 1. Virginia, 2. Miami. Those are our two biggest rivals; #3 could be anybody. I'd want the Hokies to play at least one NC school, but it doesn't matter which one, and could even be part of the rotation.

Having a perfect rotation definitely makes for easy and fair scheduling this day in age. Everybody gets to play Florida schools and the northeastern teams, etc. Although, the old school SEC way makes for more consistent rivalry games for teams with more than three actual rivals. Mark could only name two for his team, and Miami isn’t really a rival any more so than if VaTech played Florida State every season? That said, the scheduling office paired VaTech/Miami on the hardwood and that’s where I’d look to see who permanent rivals would be.

I’m wondering if the commish will take a look at shuffling some of this nonsense around if we can’t scrap divisions. A VaTech-Syracuse trade gives us a true zipper and some great TV games. I hope they work a bit with basketball schedules as well.

(12-24-2020 01:57 AM)esayem Wrote:  Having a perfect rotation definitely makes for easy and fair scheduling this day in age. Everybody gets to play Florida schools and the northeastern teams, etc. Although, the old school SEC way makes for more consistent rivalry games for teams with more than three actual rivals. Mark could only name two for his team, and Miami isn’t really a rival any more so than if VaTech played Florida State every season? That said, the scheduling office paired VaTech/Miami on the hardwood and that’s where I’d look to see who permanent rivals would be.

I’m wondering if the commish will take a look at shuffling some of this nonsense around if we can’t scrap divisions. A VaTech-Syracuse trade gives us a true zipper and some great TV games. I hope they work a bit with basketball schedules as well.

Miami absolutely IS a rival of VT. Check out A Study on College Rivalries on this fine website! (Only 2 schools listed Miami as a top rival: FSU and VT)

(12-23-2020 08:37 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  First ever heard doing it with not all at least playing the same number of conf games? Really?

It worked for years in the SEC - here is an example - Bama 8 conference games, LSU and TN just 6

1972 Southeastern Conference football standings
vte Conf Overall
Team W L T W L T
No. 7 Alabama $ 7 – 1 – 0 10 – 2 – 0
No. 5 Auburn 6 – 1 – 0 10 – 1 – 0
No. 11 LSU 4 – 1 – 1 9 – 2 – 1
No. 8 Tennessee 4 – 2 – 0 10 – 2 – 0
Georgia 4 – 3 – 0 7 – 4 – 0
Florida 3 – 3 – 1 5 – 5 – 1
Ole Miss 2 – 5 – 0 5 – 5 – 0
Kentucky 2 – 5 – 0 3 – 8 – 0
Mississippi State 1 – 6 – 0 4 – 7 – 0
Vanderbilt 0 – 6 – 0 3 – 8 – 0

(12-23-2020 05:34 PM)Schema Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 12:04 PM)YouPeople Wrote:  The B1G isn't going to accommodate the ACC in ANY way that makes things more appealing for ND.

I'm not sure I follow how the potential removal of divisions within the ACC makes things more appealing for the Irish. It shouldn't change anything with regards to Notre Dame's scheduling agreement with the ACC or the games already on the schedule.

What I mean is.....being able to stay at 15 and implement the 3-5-5 model makes things easier for ND to join the ACC full time.

They B1G wanted two things recently that would deter ND from ever joining.
1) 9 conference games across the P5
2) divisions

They don't really care about either one....but they know one or both would makes things harder for the ACC to get ND full time. If you haven't figured out by now, the B1G is pretty salty and jealous of the fact the Irish and ACC are dating and were having sex in 2020. The B1G is Glenn Close cooking bunny rabbits at this point.

(12-24-2020 01:57 AM)esayem Wrote:  Having a perfect rotation definitely makes for easy and fair scheduling this day in age. Everybody gets to play Florida schools and the northeastern teams, etc. Although, the old school SEC way makes for more consistent rivalry games for teams with more than three actual rivals. Mark could only name two for his team, and Miami isn’t really a rival any more so than if VaTech played Florida State every season? That said, the scheduling office paired VaTech/Miami on the hardwood and that’s where I’d look to see who permanent rivals would be.

I’m wondering if the commish will take a look at shuffling some of this nonsense around if we can’t scrap divisions. A VaTech-Syracuse trade gives us a true zipper and some great TV games. I hope they work a bit with basketball schedules as well.

good stuff agree with all

For anyone who isn't sure which teams are permanent rivals in basketball, here you go...

ACC Team: rivals
Boston College: Notre Dame, Syracuse
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech
Duke: North Carolina, Wake Forest
Florida State: Clemson, Miami
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Notre Dame
Louisville: Pitt, Virginia
Miami: Florida State, Virginia Tech
North Carolina: Duke, NC State
NC State: North Carolina, Wake Forest
Notre Dame: Boston College, Georgia Tech
Pitt: Louisville, Syracuse
Syracuse: Boston College, Pitt
Virginia: Louisville, Virginia Tech
Virginia Tech: Miami, Virginia
Wake Forest: Duke, NC State

Two rivals works well for 15 teams, so if Notre Dame went all-in...

(12-24-2020 08:10 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 01:57 AM)esayem Wrote:  Having a perfect rotation definitely makes for easy and fair scheduling this day in age. Everybody gets to play Florida schools and the northeastern teams, etc. Although, the old school SEC way makes for more consistent rivalry games for teams with more than three actual rivals. Mark could only name two for his team, and Miami isn’t really a rival any more so than if VaTech played Florida State every season? That said, the scheduling office paired VaTech/Miami on the hardwood and that’s where I’d look to see who permanent rivals would be.

I’m wondering if the commish will take a look at shuffling some of this nonsense around if we can’t scrap divisions. A VaTech-Syracuse trade gives us a true zipper and some great TV games. I hope they work a bit with basketball schedules as well.

Miami absolutely IS a rival of VT. Check out A Study on College Rivalries on this fine website! (Only 2 schools listed Miami as a top rival: FSU and VT)

There is a lot of missing info on the website which seems like it’s just put together by random fans submitting surveys?

Anyway, if Miami and VaTech were in different conferences that game would not be played, see the years before the Big East. Had VaTech been put in the Atlantic from the time they joined the ACC you’d be calling FSU your rival.

(12-26-2020 10:36 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 08:10 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 01:57 AM)esayem Wrote:  Having a perfect rotation definitely makes for easy and fair scheduling this day in age. Everybody gets to play Florida schools and the northeastern teams, etc. Although, the old school SEC way makes for more consistent rivalry games for teams with more than three actual rivals. Mark could only name two for his team, and Miami isn’t really a rival any more so than if VaTech played Florida State every season? That said, the scheduling office paired VaTech/Miami on the hardwood and that’s where I’d look to see who permanent rivals would be.

I’m wondering if the commish will take a look at shuffling some of this nonsense around if we can’t scrap divisions. A VaTech-Syracuse trade gives us a true zipper and some great TV games. I hope they work a bit with basketball schedules as well.

Miami absolutely IS a rival of VT. Check out A Study on College Rivalries on this fine website! (Only 2 schools listed Miami as a top rival: FSU and VT)

There is a lot of missing info on the website which seems like it’s just put together by random fans submitting surveys?

Anyway, if Miami and VaTech were in different conferences that game would not be played, see the years before the Big East. Had VaTech been put in the Atlantic from the time they joined the ACC you’d be calling FSU your rival.

TRUE. If you're going down that road, VT is in the wrong division for sure.

Virginia Tech's Most-played ACC opponents BEFORE the Hokies joined the ACC (1869-2003):
1. Virginia 80x
2. NC State 43x
3. Wake Forest 32x
4. Florida State 31x
5. Clemson 26x
6. N. Carolina 22x
7. Miami 21x

(12-26-2020 10:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-26-2020 10:36 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 08:10 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 01:57 AM)esayem Wrote:  Having a perfect rotation definitely makes for easy and fair scheduling this day in age. Everybody gets to play Florida schools and the northeastern teams, etc. Although, the old school SEC way makes for more consistent rivalry games for teams with more than three actual rivals. Mark could only name two for his team, and Miami isn’t really a rival any more so than if VaTech played Florida State every season? That said, the scheduling office paired VaTech/Miami on the hardwood and that’s where I’d look to see who permanent rivals would be.

I’m wondering if the commish will take a look at shuffling some of this nonsense around if we can’t scrap divisions. A VaTech-Syracuse trade gives us a true zipper and some great TV games. I hope they work a bit with basketball schedules as well.

Miami absolutely IS a rival of VT. Check out A Study on College Rivalries on this fine website! (Only 2 schools listed Miami as a top rival: FSU and VT)

There is a lot of missing info on the website which seems like it’s just put together by random fans submitting surveys?

Anyway, if Miami and VaTech were in different conferences that game would not be played, see the years before the Big East. Had VaTech been put in the Atlantic from the time they joined the ACC you’d be calling FSU your rival.

TRUE. If you're going down that road, VT is in the wrong division for sure.

Virginia Tech's Most-played ACC opponents BEFORE the Hokies joined the ACC (1869-2003):
1. Virginia 80x
2. NC State 43x
3. Wake Forest 32x
4. Florida State 31x
5. Clemson 26x
6. N. Carolina 22x
7. Miami 21x

Given the current conference membership, VT's natural rivalry games would be UVa, WF, and NC State. The connection between VT and WF is both geographic and institutional. NC State is like VT, a STEM oriented cow college (complete with Vet School).

Of course when you look at shared academic programs NC State, Duke, and UNC lead the way (for good or for ill).

I wish I could install a Venn Diagram.