Quote:Cincinnati (31). Current conference: American. Conference in 2023: Big 12.
Ohio is football country, and Cincinnati is a football city. (The drawback: It’s an Ohio State and Bengals football city as much as or more than a Bearcats football city.) Football momentum is strong. It’s a recruitable area, athletically and academically. The school’s all-sports and academic profiles are not great, though.
No matter what strides we make elsewhere in the university, even getting CCC designation, until we stop choosing quantity over quality in our freshman classes that is going to be the perception (fairly or unfairly) around the country.
Why are the national reports so wrong?
1. Cincinnati is not an Ohio State city, Bengals yes, but Ohio State isn’t a factor here. There are pockets of Buckeyes fans but those tend to alums or those in the northern suburban and rural towns on the way to Dayton and Columbus. Cincinnati is Reds, Bengals, and Bearcats with a side of FCC and Xavier. UK in Northern Kentucky is a factor. UC is the number college football and college basketball team in the city period.
2. Academics are actually good, not great but not poor. Research, Endowment, graduate and professional programs, and specific colleges like CCM, Engineering, and DAAP rate well. The problem will always be that A&S, Education, and Business don’t stand out. They have good programs but overall the undergraduate profile is solid but doesn’t really help UC’s standing. Academics are probably a plus unless UC is looking for a Big Ten invite.
I think Forde probably still has a little bit of unconscious bias based on his time in Louisville.
Oh, I think you can count on that. Louisville doesn't want to compare academic credentials with UC. Come to think of it, I'm not so sure Louisville wants to compare football programs right now either following UC's CFP appearance and admission to a Big 12 that now appears poised to expand further while the ACC GOR has it sitting on the sidelines of expansion.
Quote:Amazon finds itself in a situation where it is likely weighing whether to buy top-tier games from the Big 12 and/or Pac-12 compared to lower-profile options from the Big Ten. The Big 12 and Pac-12 are already in competition seeking new media rights deals with Fox and ESPN believed to be the primary bidders.
Quote:Another industry source surmised that, in further expansion, there would be no Big Ten games available for Amazon involving the most attractive teams (think Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State). That reality would have to be considered against top Big 12 games such as Oklahoma State-Cincinnati and Houston-Texas Tech. Are those games more desirable than downstream Big Ten content?
(09-21-2022 09:50 AM)Cat-Man Wrote: Another industry source surmised that, in further expansion, there would be no Big Ten games available for Amazon involving the most attractive teams (think Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State). That reality would have to be considered against top Big 12 games such as Oklahoma State-Cincinnati and Houston-Texas Tech. Are those games more desirable than downstream Big Ten content?
No matter what strides we make elsewhere in the university, even getting CCC designation, until we stop choosing quantity over quality in our freshman classes that is going to be the perception (fairly or unfairly) around the country.
Why are the national reports so wrong?
1. Cincinnati is not an Ohio State city, Bengals yes, but Ohio State isn’t a factor here. There are pockets of Buckeyes fans but those tend to alums or those in the northern suburban and rural towns on the way to Dayton and Columbus. Cincinnati is Reds, Bengals, and Bearcats with a side of FCC and Xavier. UK in Northern Kentucky is a factor. UC is the number college football and college basketball team in the city period.
2. Academics are actually good, not great but not poor. Research, Endowment, graduate and professional programs, and specific colleges like CCM, Engineering, and DAAP rate well. The problem will always be that A&S, Education, and Business don’t stand out. They have good programs but overall the undergraduate profile is solid but doesn’t really help UC’s standing. Academics are probably a plus unless UC is looking for a Big Ten invite.
I think Forde probably still has a little bit of unconscious bias based on his time in Louisville.
Oh, I think you can count on that. Louisville doesn't want to compare academic credentials with UC. Come to think of it, I'm not so sure Louisville wants to compare football programs right now either following UC's CFP appearance and admission to a Big 12 that now appears poised to expand further while the ACC GOR has it sitting on the sidelines of expansion.
(09-23-2022 11:23 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote: As a friend of mine who recruits students for a MAC university says, Louisville is a community college with a D1 athletic program bolted on to it.
Way back when, I took about 4 graduate level courses at NKU, whose MBA program was unaccredited at the time. I left for Miami, and quite frankly all three schools I attended teach the same stuff.
My current position requires a graduate degree, and majority of those working on their degrees appear to be in oddball online programs.
(This post was last modified: 09-23-2022 12:17 PM by BearcatsUC.)
(09-23-2022 11:23 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote: As a friend of mine who recruits students for a MAC university says, Louisville is a community college with a D1 athletic program bolted on to it.
Way back when, I took about 4 graduate level courses at NKU, whose MBA program was unaccredited at the time. I left for Miami, and quite frankly all three schools I attended teach the same stuff.
My current position requires a graduate degree, and majority of those working on their degrees appear to be in oddball online programs.
We lived in Louisville for almost 25 years - a close friend taught there (specialized in demographics) and he finally left to teach @ Bellarmine (Louisville's catholic university) because he kept running into having half or more of his students without the ability to do college level work. My daughter graduated from what was then the best public high school in Kentucky at very near the very top of her class (my wallet reflects her 3 Ivy degrees). Despite offering free rides to her AP classmates she knew of NO one who even bothered to apply. It was an academic dump back then, and while it may have improved over the years it certainly isn't at the level its ACC associates like Duke, UNC, etc. might wish or like you to believe.
Guys, UC is accepting 85% of the applicants to campus right now. The university wants to boost the number of CPS students and increase its enrollment to 60,000k by 2030. We are hardly in any place to mock Louisville’s academics.
(09-23-2022 03:11 PM)CliftonAve Wrote: Guys, UC is accepting 85% of the applicants to campus right now. The university wants to boost the number of CPS students and increase its enrollment to 60,000k by 2030. We are hardly in any place to mock Louisville’s academics.
(09-23-2022 03:11 PM)CliftonAve Wrote: Guys, UC is accepting 85% of the applicants to campus right now. The university wants to boost the number of CPS students and increase its enrollment to 60,000k by 2030. We are hardly in any place to mock Louisville’s academics.
We are always in a position to mock Louisville's academics. We have top several ranked programs and a well respected medical school. No doubt UC is striving for massive growth in student population at the moment. The university has set records for enrollment every year for the last ten years. Could Louisville do something like that in an era of declining college enrollment?
According to UC, the incoming freshmen class in the fall of 22 had an average high school GPA of 3.74, the highest in the university’s history.
Is Louisville an academic competitor to UC? I don't get the sense UC competes with Louisville for anything other than the occasional football recruit.
(09-23-2022 11:23 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote: As a friend of mine who recruits students for a MAC university says, Louisville is a community college with a D1 athletic program bolted on to it.
Way back when, I took about 4 graduate level courses at NKU, whose MBA program was unaccredited at the time. I left for Miami, and quite frankly all three schools I attended teach the same stuff.
My current position requires a graduate degree, and majority of those working on their degrees appear to be in oddball online programs.
We lived in Louisville for almost 25 years - a close friend taught there (specialized in demographics) and he finally left to teach @ Bellarmine (Louisville's catholic university) because he kept running into having half or more of his students without the ability to do college level work. My daughter graduated from what was then the best public high school in Kentucky at very near the very top of her class (my wallet reflects her 3 Ivy degrees). Despite offering free rides to her AP classmates she knew of NO one who even bothered to apply. It was an academic dump back then, and while it may have improved over the years it certainly isn't at the level its ACC associates like Duke, UNC, etc. might wish or like you to believe.
My niece scored a 32 on the ACT, got a full ride and degree from
UL. I do get the impression she struggled none
(09-23-2022 11:23 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote: As a friend of mine who recruits students for a MAC university says, Louisville is a community college with a D1 athletic program bolted on to it.
Way back when, I took about 4 graduate level courses at NKU, whose MBA program was unaccredited at the time. I left for Miami, and quite frankly all three schools I attended teach the same stuff.
My current position requires a graduate degree, and majority of those working on their degrees appear to be in oddball online programs.
We lived in Louisville for almost 25 years - a close friend taught there (specialized in demographics) and he finally left to teach @ Bellarmine (Louisville's catholic university) because he kept running into having half or more of his students without the ability to do college level work. My daughter graduated from what was then the best public high school in Kentucky at very near the very top of her class (my wallet reflects her 3 Ivy degrees). Despite offering free rides to her AP classmates she knew of NO one who even bothered to apply. It was an academic dump back then, and while it may have improved over the years it certainly isn't at the level its ACC associates like Duke, UNC, etc. might wish or like you to believe.
My niece scored a 32 on the ACT, got a full ride and degree from
UL. I do get the impression she struggled none
My son got his Bachelor's and Master's in electrical engineering and has done very well in the professional world despite going to UL.
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(09-23-2022 11:23 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote: As a friend of mine who recruits students for a MAC university says, Louisville is a community college with a D1 athletic program bolted on to it.
Way back when, I took about 4 graduate level courses at NKU, whose MBA program was unaccredited at the time. I left for Miami, and quite frankly all three schools I attended teach the same stuff.
My current position requires a graduate degree, and majority of those working on their degrees appear to be in oddball online programs.
We lived in Louisville for almost 25 years - a close friend taught there (specialized in demographics) and he finally left to teach @ Bellarmine (Louisville's catholic university) because he kept running into having half or more of his students without the ability to do college level work. My daughter graduated from what was then the best public high school in Kentucky at very near the very top of her class (my wallet reflects her 3 Ivy degrees). Despite offering free rides to her AP classmates she knew of NO one who even bothered to apply. It was an academic dump back then, and while it may have improved over the years it certainly isn't at the level its ACC associates like Duke, UNC, etc. might wish or like you to believe.
My niece scored a 32 on the ACT, got a full ride and degree from
UL. I do get the impression she struggled none
For comparison, a 32 won't even get you into Chapel Hill, Duke, BC, or UVA consistently and it got her a full ride at UL. Different stratosphere. Hell, Cincinnati only gives $2,500 a year for a score like that.
You go & interview for a job, applicants are not getting turned down because they got their degree from UL compared to UC. All employers want to know is did you graduate and do you have experience.
(09-26-2022 06:13 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote: You go & interview for a job, applicants are not getting turned down because they got their degree from UL compared to UC. All employers want to know is did you graduate and do you have experience.
Broadly speaking I agree. But if you have two finalists of equal experience and one has an engineering degree from Wright State and the other from Carnegie Mellon, Cal, or Purdue we know who usually gets chosen.
(This post was last modified: 09-26-2022 08:59 AM by OKIcat.)
(09-25-2022 08:34 AM)BearcatMan Wrote: For comparison, a 32 won't even get you into Chapel Hill, Duke, BC, or UVA consistently and it got her a full ride at UL. Different stratosphere. Hell, Cincinnati only gives $2,500 a year for a score like that.
With good grades and class rank, a 32 will absolutely get you into UNC. The middle 50% range for those schools is 27-33 (average 30). UVA is tougher at 32-35, so the rest of your application would need to be really strong, but it's not an impossibility.
(09-23-2022 03:11 PM)CliftonAve Wrote: Guys, UC is accepting 85% of the applicants to campus right now. The university wants to boost the number of CPS students and increase its enrollment to 60,000k by 2030. We are hardly in any place to mock Louisville’s academics.
So? We're expanding the school as a stated objective. Our academics consist of far more than acceptance rate and total student population, anyways.
There are schools like UCF that sacrifice academics to get there, and then there are schools like OSU that build toward massive student/faculty sizes over time by capitalizing on resources. UC has the infrastructure in place to get to 60K and compete with OSU, so they should do it. Importantly, I think one of our goals during this expansion is to get there without sacrificing too much of admissions standards.
(This post was last modified: 09-26-2022 09:00 AM by Cataclysmo.)
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