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(01-13-2021 06:12 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  I agree and don’t expect a P5 invite coming anytime soon. I think it’s more likely that we get a shakeup if the College Football Division where X number of teams are competing.

This is why it makes sense for us to help build the AAC as much as possible. Then if an invite comes, we haven’t lost anything.

No question about it, UC Athletics must continue to pursue an "all of the above" strategy: a P5 opportunity, advocacy of playoff expansion, courting potential new AAC members that could add value to the current conference, and staying tuned in to the Knight Commission or other initiatives that may begin to further separate the small number of G5 schools willing and able to compete at the highest level.

Add to the prescription: continuing to win (a lot), staying ranked, and competing in meaningful New Year's Day Bowls.

My biggest frustration with the AAC has been the lack of focus on building basketball and the refusal to go national in football. Dayton and VCU are in the current footprint while BYU and Gonzaga would make this conference a real power player in basketball. Boise State and SDSU on the football side and we are clearly ahead of every other league.

https://mwwire.com/2021/01/13/aac-report...ise-state/

(01-14-2021 09:49 AM)bcat1997 Wrote:  https://mwwire.com/2021/01/13/aac-report...ise-state/

Good lord no.

Some epically bad ideas just keep resurfacing.

(01-14-2021 09:34 AM)UCBearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  My biggest frustration with the AAC has been the lack of focus on building basketball and the refusal to go national in football. Dayton and VCU are in the current footprint while BYU and Gonzaga would make this conference a real power player in basketball. Boise State and SDSU on the football side and we are clearly ahead of every other league.

I agree with 1/2 of your statement. I'm all in on adding VCU and Dayton who, as you say, are in our current footprint. If we went that direction, I'd support adding one more football school - Appy State? - in our footprint.

Current footprint? Dayton would be wearing our shoes. UC is not going to agree to bring Dayton into its AAC market.

The only good reason to add some of these schools to the AAC is to help replace UC if we left.

(01-14-2021 10:52 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Current footprint? Dayton would be wearing our shoes. UC is not going to agree to bring Dayton into its AAC market.

I don't care. I'd just rather see us play opponents who we have some modicum of history with, and who play quality basketball.

NKU has as much chance of being added to the AAC while UC is in it.

Even if UC didn’t care or moves to another conference, a small catholic basketball only school fits one conference’s profile and it’s not the AAC..and that conference won’t bring them in because X wouldn’t allow it.

(01-14-2021 10:10 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(01-14-2021 09:49 AM)bcat1997 Wrote:  https://mwwire.com/2021/01/13/aac-report...ise-state/

Good lord no.

Yeah...what the hell would be the point of going from 11 to 13? We'd have unbalanced divisions (another thing the NCAA apparently hates), and would be adding two diminishing brands. The time for those two schools to join was back when they got their first invite...now they aren't worth the hassle unless they bring BYU along and we kill off any other conference's chance at usurping our top of the G5 throne (which won't happen).

I mentioned before a change I foresee with the conference setups- one thing we will see for certain is the Olympic sports will be regional in the near future (carved out from the two revenue sports). Our Olympic sports will be playing schools in Ohio, KY, IN and other parts of the region instead of going out to Tulsa or down to Orlando.

(01-14-2021 02:14 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I mentioned before a change I foresee with the conference setups- one thing we will see for certain is the Olympic sports will be regional in the near future (carved out from the two revenue sports). Our Olympic sports will be playing schools in Ohio, KY, IN and other parts of the region instead of going out to Tulsa or down to Orlando.

I have been thinking this for awhile as well. Look at the Club sports model there, it works incredibly well.

(01-14-2021 10:52 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  The only good reason to add some of these schools to the AAC is to help replace UC if we left.

Oh, I'm sure that's baked into Aresco's calculations in some way. The top two football programs suddenly exiting the current American (prior to any such expansion) would leave an already division-less G5 conference in a precarious position.

I see it as much as an insurance policy for the remaining members, as a move to grow coast to coast. And even in 2021, who can find Coastal Carolina or Appy State without a good road atlas? Boise is about the only big brand G5 left outside the American (BYU is independent). San Diego has had pretty good football. And yes, I can find that major metro without my road atlas. With divisions, UC likely would make those long trips just once every four years.

What if we get massive realignment that isn't driven by or even about sports?

WSJ OpEd predicts it's coming:

The Future of U.S. Higher Education: A Few Stars, Many Satellites
Top schools will flourish while the rest wither and are reborn as affiliates.

Quote:...Here’s a prediction:

Massive Open Online Courses (MOOCs) will finally fulfill their potential. Laurie Santos, a Yale psychology professor, already attracts nearly a quarter of the Yale student body to her lectures on “The Science of Well Being,” making it the most popular course in Yale’s 320-year history. More important, starting Saturday the course boasted a non-Yale audience of 3.4 million participants.

The appearance of such huge courses at a moment when lesser institutions are failing suggests that a few star universities will flourish while the rest starve and die. Patterns in college applications imply this trend is already under way. Imagine a reduction from some 5,300 U.S. colleges and universities to 50, each with its renowned outlook (including some conservative ones), specialties and strengths. Thousands of existing campuses will become shared satellite facilities for those 50, complete with dormitories and sports facilities.

Courses like Ms. Santos’s will require legions of teaching assistants and graders who meet in person with students, giving education the personal touch and community grounding essential to its mission. The California State University system, with 23 campuses, foreshadows this geographic dispersal, as does the distinction between full-time and adjunct faculty. In-person advanced seminars with star professors will continue as ever, training the next generation of scholars.

Tuition will come crashing down as economies of scale come into play, truly opening education to all and ending the student-loan crisis.

The taxi system was unreliable, expensive and unpleasant, so along came Uber and overturned it. Higher education, even more antiquated than taxis, is due for a comparable shock—and the sooner, the better.

(03-21-2021 10:52 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  What if we get massive realignment that isn't driven by or even about sports?

WSJ OpEd predicts it's coming:

The Future of U.S. Higher Education: A Few Stars, Many Satellites
Top schools will flourish while the rest wither and are reborn as affiliates.

Quote:...Here’s a prediction:

Massive Open Online Courses (MOOCs) will finally fulfill their potential. Laurie Santos, a Yale psychology professor, already attracts nearly a quarter of the Yale student body to her lectures on “The Science of Well Being,” making it the most popular course in Yale’s 320-year history. More important, starting Saturday the course boasted a non-Yale audience of 3.4 million participants.

The appearance of such huge courses at a moment when lesser institutions are failing suggests that a few star universities will flourish while the rest starve and die. Patterns in college applications imply this trend is already under way. Imagine a reduction from some 5,300 U.S. colleges and universities to 50, each with its renowned outlook (including some conservative ones), specialties and strengths. Thousands of existing campuses will become shared satellite facilities for those 50, complete with dormitories and sports facilities.

Courses like Ms. Santos’s will require legions of teaching assistants and graders who meet in person with students, giving education the personal touch and community grounding essential to its mission. The California State University system, with 23 campuses, foreshadows this geographic dispersal, as does the distinction between full-time and adjunct faculty. In-person advanced seminars with star professors will continue as ever, training the next generation of scholars.

Tuition will come crashing down as economies of scale come into play, truly opening education to all and ending the student-loan crisis.

The taxi system was unreliable, expensive and unpleasant, so along came Uber and overturned it. Higher education, even more antiquated than taxis, is due for a comparable shock—and the sooner, the better.

Several of us have discussed this on various threads in the past- I think the number is more than 50; but there will be a lot of consolidation of public and private schools within the next 10 years or so. There are a few here in Ohio that are hanging by a thread due to financial hardship and dwindling enrollment.

(03-22-2021 07:16 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-21-2021 10:52 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  What if we get massive realignment that isn't driven by or even about sports?

WSJ OpEd predicts it's coming:

The Future of U.S. Higher Education: A Few Stars, Many Satellites
Top schools will flourish while the rest wither and are reborn as affiliates.

Quote:...Here’s a prediction:

Massive Open Online Courses (MOOCs) will finally fulfill their potential. Laurie Santos, a Yale psychology professor, already attracts nearly a quarter of the Yale student body to her lectures on “The Science of Well Being,” making it the most popular course in Yale’s 320-year history. More important, starting Saturday the course boasted a non-Yale audience of 3.4 million participants.

The appearance of such huge courses at a moment when lesser institutions are failing suggests that a few star universities will flourish while the rest starve and die. Patterns in college applications imply this trend is already under way. Imagine a reduction from some 5,300 U.S. colleges and universities to 50, each with its renowned outlook (including some conservative ones), specialties and strengths. Thousands of existing campuses will become shared satellite facilities for those 50, complete with dormitories and sports facilities.

Courses like Ms. Santos’s will require legions of teaching assistants and graders who meet in person with students, giving education the personal touch and community grounding essential to its mission. The California State University system, with 23 campuses, foreshadows this geographic dispersal, as does the distinction between full-time and adjunct faculty. In-person advanced seminars with star professors will continue as ever, training the next generation of scholars.

Tuition will come crashing down as economies of scale come into play, truly opening education to all and ending the student-loan crisis.

The taxi system was unreliable, expensive and unpleasant, so along came Uber and overturned it. Higher education, even more antiquated than taxis, is due for a comparable shock—and the sooner, the better.

Several of us have discussed this on various threads in the past- I think the number is more than 50; but there will be a lot of consolidation of public and private schools within the next 10 years or so. There are a few here in Ohio that are hanging by a thread due to financial hardship and dwindling enrollment.

My take as well; the model is evolving but will likely be many more than 50. Fortunately, I believe UC is well positioned for the future being urban located; with a large and growing residential student population and abundant graduate programs and professional schools. Many regional state universities in smaller communities are losing enrollment, and as a result, revenue.

Admittedly, my sample size is small when speaking with college aged kids but there seems to be an overwhelming preference with this rising generation to be in larger cities than in small, towns.

(03-22-2021 07:37 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 07:16 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-21-2021 10:52 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  What if we get massive realignment that isn't driven by or even about sports?

WSJ OpEd predicts it's coming:

The Future of U.S. Higher Education: A Few Stars, Many Satellites
Top schools will flourish while the rest wither and are reborn as affiliates.

Quote:...Here’s a prediction:

Massive Open Online Courses (MOOCs) will finally fulfill their potential. Laurie Santos, a Yale psychology professor, already attracts nearly a quarter of the Yale student body to her lectures on “The Science of Well Being,” making it the most popular course in Yale’s 320-year history. More important, starting Saturday the course boasted a non-Yale audience of 3.4 million participants.

The appearance of such huge courses at a moment when lesser institutions are failing suggests that a few star universities will flourish while the rest starve and die. Patterns in college applications imply this trend is already under way. Imagine a reduction from some 5,300 U.S. colleges and universities to 50, each with its renowned outlook (including some conservative ones), specialties and strengths. Thousands of existing campuses will become shared satellite facilities for those 50, complete with dormitories and sports facilities.

Courses like Ms. Santos’s will require legions of teaching assistants and graders who meet in person with students, giving education the personal touch and community grounding essential to its mission. The California State University system, with 23 campuses, foreshadows this geographic dispersal, as does the distinction between full-time and adjunct faculty. In-person advanced seminars with star professors will continue as ever, training the next generation of scholars.

Tuition will come crashing down as economies of scale come into play, truly opening education to all and ending the student-loan crisis.

The taxi system was unreliable, expensive and unpleasant, so along came Uber and overturned it. Higher education, even more antiquated than taxis, is due for a comparable shock—and the sooner, the better.

Several of us have discussed this on various threads in the past- I think the number is more than 50; but there will be a lot of consolidation of public and private schools within the next 10 years or so. There are a few here in Ohio that are hanging by a thread due to financial hardship and dwindling enrollment.

My take as well; the model is evolving but will likely be many more than 50. Fortunately, I believe UC is well positioned for the future being urban located; with a large and growing residential student population and abundant graduate programs and professional schools. Many regional state universities in smaller communities are losing enrollment, and as a result, revenue.

Admittedly, my sample size is small when speaking with college aged kids but there seems to be an overwhelming preference with this rising generation to be in larger cities than in small, towns.

So Miami becomes a branch campus of THE UNIVERSITY OF CINCINNATI?

(03-22-2021 07:51 AM)doss2 Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 07:37 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 07:16 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-21-2021 10:52 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  What if we get massive realignment that isn't driven by or even about sports?

WSJ OpEd predicts it's coming:

The Future of U.S. Higher Education: A Few Stars, Many Satellites
Top schools will flourish while the rest wither and are reborn as affiliates.

Quote:...Here’s a prediction:

Massive Open Online Courses (MOOCs) will finally fulfill their potential. Laurie Santos, a Yale psychology professor, already attracts nearly a quarter of the Yale student body to her lectures on “The Science of Well Being,” making it the most popular course in Yale’s 320-year history. More important, starting Saturday the course boasted a non-Yale audience of 3.4 million participants.

The appearance of such huge courses at a moment when lesser institutions are failing suggests that a few star universities will flourish while the rest starve and die. Patterns in college applications imply this trend is already under way. Imagine a reduction from some 5,300 U.S. colleges and universities to 50, each with its renowned outlook (including some conservative ones), specialties and strengths. Thousands of existing campuses will become shared satellite facilities for those 50, complete with dormitories and sports facilities.

Courses like Ms. Santos’s will require legions of teaching assistants and graders who meet in person with students, giving education the personal touch and community grounding essential to its mission. The California State University system, with 23 campuses, foreshadows this geographic dispersal, as does the distinction between full-time and adjunct faculty. In-person advanced seminars with star professors will continue as ever, training the next generation of scholars.

Tuition will come crashing down as economies of scale come into play, truly opening education to all and ending the student-loan crisis.

The taxi system was unreliable, expensive and unpleasant, so along came Uber and overturned it. Higher education, even more antiquated than taxis, is due for a comparable shock—and the sooner, the better.

Several of us have discussed this on various threads in the past- I think the number is more than 50; but there will be a lot of consolidation of public and private schools within the next 10 years or so. There are a few here in Ohio that are hanging by a thread due to financial hardship and dwindling enrollment.

My take as well; the model is evolving but will likely be many more than 50. Fortunately, I believe UC is well positioned for the future being urban located; with a large and growing residential student population and abundant graduate programs and professional schools. Many regional state universities in smaller communities are losing enrollment, and as a result, revenue.

Admittedly, my sample size is small when speaking with college aged kids but there seems to be an overwhelming preference with this rising generation to be in larger cities than in small, towns.

So Miami becomes a branch campus of THE UNIVERSITY OF CINCINNATI?

Yep, they'd be replacing their old "Redskins Forever" bumper stickers with "Redhawks Forever" as they become UC-Oxford.

(03-22-2021 07:51 AM)doss2 Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 07:37 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 07:16 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-21-2021 10:52 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  What if we get massive realignment that isn't driven by or even about sports?

WSJ OpEd predicts it's coming:

The Future of U.S. Higher Education: A Few Stars, Many Satellites
Top schools will flourish while the rest wither and are reborn as affiliates.

Quote:...Here’s a prediction:

Massive Open Online Courses (MOOCs) will finally fulfill their potential. Laurie Santos, a Yale psychology professor, already attracts nearly a quarter of the Yale student body to her lectures on “The Science of Well Being,” making it the most popular course in Yale’s 320-year history. More important, starting Saturday the course boasted a non-Yale audience of 3.4 million participants.

The appearance of such huge courses at a moment when lesser institutions are failing suggests that a few star universities will flourish while the rest starve and die. Patterns in college applications imply this trend is already under way. Imagine a reduction from some 5,300 U.S. colleges and universities to 50, each with its renowned outlook (including some conservative ones), specialties and strengths. Thousands of existing campuses will become shared satellite facilities for those 50, complete with dormitories and sports facilities.

Courses like Ms. Santos’s will require legions of teaching assistants and graders who meet in person with students, giving education the personal touch and community grounding essential to its mission. The California State University system, with 23 campuses, foreshadows this geographic dispersal, as does the distinction between full-time and adjunct faculty. In-person advanced seminars with star professors will continue as ever, training the next generation of scholars.

Tuition will come crashing down as economies of scale come into play, truly opening education to all and ending the student-loan crisis.

The taxi system was unreliable, expensive and unpleasant, so along came Uber and overturned it. Higher education, even more antiquated than taxis, is due for a comparable shock—and the sooner, the better.

Several of us have discussed this on various threads in the past- I think the number is more than 50; but there will be a lot of consolidation of public and private schools within the next 10 years or so. There are a few here in Ohio that are hanging by a thread due to financial hardship and dwindling enrollment.

My take as well; the model is evolving but will likely be many more than 50. Fortunately, I believe UC is well positioned for the future being urban located; with a large and growing residential student population and abundant graduate programs and professional schools. Many regional state universities in smaller communities are losing enrollment, and as a result, revenue.

Admittedly, my sample size is small when speaking with college aged kids but there seems to be an overwhelming preference with this rising generation to be in larger cities than in small, towns.

So Miami becomes a branch campus of THE UNIVERSITY OF CINCINNATI?

Quite frankly, Miami is proper ******. The only thing open for debate is when and how the house of cards will come crashing down and what it will look like in the aftermath. Selling Big Ten rejects from the Chicago suburbs on the idea of coming to Ohio to pay exorbitant tuition to major in business based on the last fading fumes of a "Public Ivy" book published almost four decades ago is not sustainable. For all their bluster and smug arrogance, I believe the administration at Miami has the inside data to see the cliff that they're approaching, which is why they are undergoing this mad scramble to build up their STEM departments and rebrand themselves as more than a place where rich kids go to major in business or education.

As for OSU, given the bitter history between those two schools, the only finger they'll lift when Miami goes down is to roast some marshmallows over the embers.