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RE: All Things Realignment 2.0
(09-26-2022 06:13 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  You go & interview for a job, applicants are not getting turned down because they got their degree from UL compared to UC. All employers want to know is did you graduate and do you have experience.

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(09-26-2022 06:13 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  You go & interview for a job, applicants are not getting turned down because they got their degree from UL compared to UC. All employers want to know is did you graduate and do you have experience.

Broadly speaking I agree. But if you have two finalists of equal experience and one has an engineering degree from Wright State and the other from Carnegie Mellon, Cal, or Purdue we know who usually gets chosen.

It's an interesting topic, and I actually have an unique in sight to this. My wife is a recruiter and has worked for some bigger name companies recruiting fresh grads. I am an engineering manager for a engineering services company.

She very much cares about which school she recruits from. If you didn't go to XYZ, she isn't going to look at your resume.

I don't care at all where the applicant went to school. I just want to know if you can do the job or not, and I like to see a personality I can work with too. I've seen people from top end schools be pretty crappy interviews. I've seen people from community schools be world beaters.

I'll just say, it matters if you want to work for one of the Blue Chip companies. If you don't care about that (I don't), then it doesn't matter so much.
 
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(09-26-2022 09:00 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  
(09-23-2022 03:11 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Guys, UC is accepting 85% of the applicants to campus right now. The university wants to boost the number of CPS students and increase its enrollment to 60,000k by 2030. We are hardly in any place to mock Louisville’s academics.

So? We're expanding the school as a stated objective. Our academics consist of far more than acceptance rate and total student population, anyways.

There are schools like UCF that sacrifice academics to get there, and then there are schools like OSU that build toward massive student/faculty sizes over time by capitalizing on resources. UC has the infrastructure in place to get to 60K and compete with OSU, so they should do it. Importantly, I think one of our goals during this expansion is to get there without sacrificing too much of admissions standards.

OSU seems to be managing their enrollment now. No idea whether they're going to shrink their freshman classes, but they're definitely not increasing them. That should free up a lot of well qualified Ohio kids looking elsewhere.
 
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(09-26-2022 09:23 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  
(09-26-2022 06:13 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  You go & interview for a job, applicants are not getting turned down because they got their degree from UL compared to UC. All employers want to know is did you graduate and do you have experience.

(09-26-2022 07:36 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  
(09-26-2022 06:13 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  You go & interview for a job, applicants are not getting turned down because they got their degree from UL compared to UC. All employers want to know is did you graduate and do you have experience.

Broadly speaking I agree. But if you have two finalists of equal experience and one has an engineering degree from Wright State and the other from Carnegie Mellon, Cal, or Purdue we know who usually gets chosen.

It's an interesting topic, and I actually have an unique in sight to this. My wife is a recruiter and has worked for some bigger name companies recruiting fresh grads. I am an engineering manager for a engineering services company.

She very much cares about which school she recruits from. If you didn't go to XYZ, she isn't going to look at your resume.

I don't care at all where the applicant went to school. I just want to know if you can do the job or not, and I like to see a personality I can work with too. I've seen people from top end schools be pretty crappy interviews. I've seen people from community schools be world beaters.

I'll just say, it matters if you want to work for one of the Blue Chip companies. If you don't care about that (I don't), then it doesn't matter so much.

I think it matters a great deal coming out of college (anyone think the list of companies or elite govt agencies recruiting Northwestern and UC is the same?) but after that matters less and less the further one gets away from school and practical experience takes precedence. Of course, it's hard to have something like NASA or a blue chip Silicon Valley VC firm on your resume if they never recruited your college to begin with.
 
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FWIW, I will only add, I was told by one corporate executive that his company preferred UC engineers over others from more "prestigious" universities, or even some with graduate engineering degrees. The reason? They had demonstrated during coop experiences not only the ability to do the work but the will to do the work. They also learned how to work collaboratively in small or large organizational settings, putting them ahead of competing candidates who may have never experienced the world of work prior to graduation.
 
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I think the CO-OP part is the key. If your school has a strong co-op program it is probably the difference in the type of position you get after graduation.
 
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(09-26-2022 09:45 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  FWIW, I will only add, I was told by one corporate executive that his company preferred UC engineers over others from more "prestigious" universities, or even some with graduate engineering degrees. The reason? They had demonstrated during coop experiences not only the ability to do the work but the will to do the work. They also learned how to work collaboratively in small or large organizational settings, putting them ahead of competing candidates who may have never experienced the world of work prior to graduation.

Co-op is not unique to UC.

I went to Case, and I'd guess that 1/2 to 3/4 of my engineering classmates had co-ops. That was 20 years ago, but I doubt it's gone in the opposite direction since then.

Admittedly, I have little experience with other schools. Do most other schools discourage co-ops or something?


I know that University of Missouri requires all undergrads in their business school to complete an internship/co-op. (it is significantly more difficult to find a co-op in business than engineering).
 
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(09-26-2022 09:23 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  
(09-26-2022 06:13 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  You go & interview for a job, applicants are not getting turned down because they got their degree from UL compared to UC. All employers want to know is did you graduate and do you have experience.

(09-26-2022 07:36 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  
(09-26-2022 06:13 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  You go & interview for a job, applicants are not getting turned down because they got their degree from UL compared to UC. All employers want to know is did you graduate and do you have experience.

Broadly speaking I agree. But if you have two finalists of equal experience and one has an engineering degree from Wright State and the other from Carnegie Mellon, Cal, or Purdue we know who usually gets chosen.

It's an interesting topic, and I actually have an unique in sight to this. My wife is a recruiter and has worked for some bigger name companies recruiting fresh grads. I am an engineering manager for a engineering services company.

She very much cares about which school she recruits from. If you didn't go to XYZ, she isn't going to look at your resume.

I don't care at all where the applicant went to school. I just want to know if you can do the job or not, and I like to see a personality I can work with too. I've seen people from top end schools be pretty crappy interviews. I've seen people from community schools be world beaters.

I'll just say, it matters if you want to work for one of the Blue Chip companies. If you don't care about that (I don't), then it doesn't matter so much.

Part of it depends on the salary of the position.

I went through an exhaustive 4-day search committee training at my employer (a large university). It was supposed to provide tips for how to provide opportunity to diverse applicants, but it was aimed at entry-level jobs that probably pay $40k-$60k and are lucky to have 5 qualified applicants. Their advice was completely bizarre to me because all the search committees I'm on are for entry-level jobs that pay $100k and above and have at least 150 applicants who are technically qualified based on their degree.

For a lower-paying job, you have the time to interview everyone who's technically qualified. For the higher-paying job, you reject 75% (or more) of applicants purely based on resume items such as where they graduated from. You only interview the Wright State grad if they also have a co-op with a prestigious company or some other major accomplishment.


*edit - for example, one piece of advice they gave was to avoid rejecting people due to typos in their resume. I'm thinking, "If someone can't get basic English grammar correct on important documents, I'm not hiring them at a six figure salary where literally the primary job responsibility is to communicate with students in English."
 
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(09-26-2022 10:37 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(09-26-2022 09:45 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  FWIW, I will only add, I was told by one corporate executive that his company preferred UC engineers over others from more "prestigious" universities, or even some with graduate engineering degrees. The reason? They had demonstrated during coop experiences not only the ability to do the work but the will to do the work. They also learned how to work collaboratively in small or large organizational settings, putting them ahead of competing candidates who may have never experienced the world of work prior to graduation.

Co-op is not unique to UC.

I went to Case, and I'd guess that 1/2 to 3/4 of my engineering classmates had co-ops. That was 20 years ago, but I doubt it's gone in the opposite direction since then.

Admittedly, I have little experience with other schools. Do most other schools discourage co-ops or something?


I know that University of Missouri requires all undergrads in their business school to complete an internship/co-op. (it is significantly more difficult to find a co-op in business than engineering).

At Miami I inquired about doing a Co-Op, so they referred me to the office that handled Co-Ops. They basically told me, if you find a company to Co-Op with let us know. They weren't willing to help place me somewhere. I would also have to pay a fee, because I received credits for the Co-Op. I then asked if those credits would apply to my degree, and they said they would not. That was my last conversation with that office.
 
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(09-26-2022 01:16 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  
(09-26-2022 10:37 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(09-26-2022 09:45 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  FWIW, I will only add, I was told by one corporate executive that his company preferred UC engineers over others from more "prestigious" universities, or even some with graduate engineering degrees. The reason? They had demonstrated during coop experiences not only the ability to do the work but the will to do the work. They also learned how to work collaboratively in small or large organizational settings, putting them ahead of competing candidates who may have never experienced the world of work prior to graduation.

Co-op is not unique to UC.

I went to Case, and I'd guess that 1/2 to 3/4 of my engineering classmates had co-ops. That was 20 years ago, but I doubt it's gone in the opposite direction since then.

Admittedly, I have little experience with other schools. Do most other schools discourage co-ops or something?


I know that University of Missouri requires all undergrads in their business school to complete an internship/co-op. (it is significantly more difficult to find a co-op in business than engineering).

At Miami I inquired about doing a Co-Op, so they referred me to the office that handled Co-Ops. They basically told me, if you find a company to Co-Op with let us know. They weren't willing to help place me somewhere. I would also have to pay a fee, because I received credits for the Co-Op. I then asked if those credits would apply to my degree, and they said they would not. That was my last conversation with that office.

Miami is as Miami does. I don't think they're the norm in anything.


At Case, they provided very little help also. They only had 4 people in the university's career & internship office.

But that was more because it was easy to find a co-op; the students didn't need any help finding their own jobs. Top employers begged to come to Case's career fairs; whereas at Wright State, the university has to go out & find employers.

I actually was an exception who needed help: my co-op employer cancelled my co-op right at the beginning of summer. The career office was extremely helpful in lining up interviews with other co-op partners immediately. Very impressive given their tiny staff.
 
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Not all universities' co-ops are created equal. Remember, UC invented it and it's still mandated in engineering disciplines. There is a support structure within the University for placement and guidance through the process. With UC on semesters these days, I believe co-op is three semesters out of a five year undergraduate degree track for engineers. That's a lot of real world experience at places such as G.E., P. & G. and hundreds more corporations large and small.
 
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I used to manage engineering co-ops from UC, Dayton, Ohio State and others.

The Ohio State co-ops were a pain because the school did not schedule classes with co-ops in mind. The OSU kids kept coming back and asking to change co-op quarters (back before semesters) because they couldn't get classes otherwise. Good luck trying to get an Ohio State co-op to go to school during summer so they could work in spring and fall.
 
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Is co-op mostly an engineering thing?

Speaking specifically of Pharmacy, co-op is not possible at UC or anywhere else.
 
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(09-26-2022 09:21 PM)namrag Wrote:  Is co-op mostly an engineering thing?

Speaking specifically of Pharmacy, co-op is not possible at UC or anywhere else.

My wife is a DAAP grad and the co-op program is essential over there. Their placement office back then was phenomenal and her co-op experience was invaluable in landing her a top job right out of school.
 
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Business has Co-op Option. Because I transferred after 2 years in A&S I went non Co-op.
 
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Co-op is mandatory in Engineering and DAAP and there is a built in track for all business students, but it is not mandatory.
 
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(09-26-2022 09:40 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  
(09-26-2022 09:21 PM)namrag Wrote:  Is co-op mostly an engineering thing?

Speaking specifically of Pharmacy, co-op is not possible at UC or anywhere else.

My wife is a DAAP grad and the co-op program is essential over there. Their placement office back then was phenomenal and her co-op experience was invaluable in landing her a top job right out of school.

This was a long time ago, but my sister worked her way through pharmacy school as a tech at Kroger and graduated without debt. Kroger payed for her tuition as long as she stayed with Kroger for a certain period of time after graduation. Thd pharmacy degree is different today, I believe, so I’m not sure how it works now.
 
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(09-26-2022 09:21 PM)namrag Wrote:  Is co-op mostly an engineering thing?

Speaking specifically of Pharmacy, co-op is not possible at UC or anywhere else.

My wife is a pharmacist. Most pharmacy schools, UC included, have a track where you can gain experience as a student. Also, residency programs if you plan on being a pharmacist in a hospital setting.
 
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They should adapt a form of Co-op for arts and sciences. Especially for those students in pre-professional fields looking to get into medical school, pharmacy, PA school, PT, OT, etc. They pretty much have a soft launch of those being developed in the Medical Sciences program but it would go a long way toward helping main campus if they could figure out how to get the entire A&S branch working autonomously. The sciences can fulfill obligations with lab work or internships and the rest of the humanities are probably broad enough to find co-op placement somewhere.
 
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(09-23-2022 03:11 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Guys, UC is accepting 85% of the applicants to campus right now. The university wants to boost the number of CPS students and increase its enrollment to 60,000k by 2030. We are hardly in any place to mock Louisville’s academics.

So? We're expanding the school as a stated objective. Our academics consist of far more than acceptance rate and total student population, anyways.

There are schools like UCF that sacrifice academics to get there, and then there are schools like OSU that build toward massive student/faculty sizes over time by capitalizing on resources. UC has the infrastructure in place to get to 60K and compete with OSU, so they should do it. Importantly, I think one of our goals during this expansion is to get there without sacrificing too much of admissions standards.


What part of UC's "infrastructure" do you think is capable of supporting 60,000 students?

Genuinely curious.

That's a 24% increase over 2022 enrollment. My impression is that UC lacks the classroom space, dorm space, and office space for a 24% increase in students.


The new business building was too small for the entire business school on the day it opened (mostly because they made the building 2 stories smaller than originally planned to cut costs).
 
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(09-27-2022 01:42 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(09-26-2022 09:00 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  
(09-23-2022 03:11 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Guys, UC is accepting 85% of the applicants to campus right now. The university wants to boost the number of CPS students and increase its enrollment to 60,000k by 2030. We are hardly in any place to mock Louisville’s academics.

So? We're expanding the school as a stated objective. Our academics consist of far more than acceptance rate and total student population, anyways.

There are schools like UCF that sacrifice academics to get there, and then there are schools like OSU that build toward massive student/faculty sizes over time by capitalizing on resources. UC has the infrastructure in place to get to 60K and compete with OSU, so they should do it. Importantly, I think one of our goals during this expansion is to get there without sacrificing too much of admissions standards.


What part of UC's "infrastructure" do you think is capable of supporting 60,000 students?

Genuinely curious.

That's a 24% increase over 2022 enrollment. My impression is that UC lacks the classroom space, dorm space, and office space for a 24% increase in students.


The new business building was too small for the entire business school on the day it opened (mostly because they made the building 2 stories smaller than originally planned to cut costs).

I've been wondering about this since I first read the proposal from President Pinto. To get to 60K they are going to have to do one or more of the following:

1) On-line
2) Building a Satellite Campus somewhere
3) Merging/bringing another institution in-house
4) Buying up more space around campus (clearing it and building onto the campus).
 
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