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RE: Speculating What Scheduling in a New WAC Would Look Like
Based on today's announcement...

BINGO!

Football and basketball will feature everyone playing each other; very divisional-based strategy for the rest of the sports.

These are the divisions...

Southwest Division: ACU, Lamar, SHSU, SFA, Tarleton State, UTRGV, 7th team TBD

West Division: California Baptist, Dixie State, Grand Canyon, NMSU, Seattle, Southern Utah, Utah Valley
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Glad to see NMSU and GCU remain in a division together
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RE: Speculating What Scheduling in a New WAC Would Look Like
(01-14-2021 12:24 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  Based on today's announcement...

BINGO!

Football and basketball will feature everyone playing each other; very divisional-based strategy for the rest of the sports.

These are the divisions...

Southwest Division: ACU, Lamar, SHSU, SFA, Tarleton State, UTRGV, 7th team TBD

West Division: California Baptist, Dixie State, Grand Canyon, NMSU, Seattle, Southern Utah, Utah Valley

Shaping up to be one LQQker of a conference!
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RE: Speculating What Scheduling in a New WAC Would Look Like
KatFans has already launched their future WAC basketball schedule thread; not sure if anyone has contributions that they are aware of related to the 21-22 season of non-conference games.

http://www.katfans.com/katsforum/showthr...s&p=401205
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RE: Speculating What Scheduling in a New WAC Would Look Like
They will have only in Division games in baseball, softball and women's soccer. (The press release says men's soccer, but none of the 5 new schools play soccer, so I think that is a mistake; probably nothing changes since five schools are associates and no good division lines.) They also say women's volleyball, but I'm skeptical as that wont yield enough games, as conferences typically play 16 games.

Until another Texas school is added, I would think NMSU women's soccer (Tarleton doesn't sponsor) and softball (RGV doesn't sponsor) would move over to the Southwest Division to have 6 schools in each division. Note, SUU doesn't play baseball, so that would be 6 in each leaving NMSU in the West (and letting Sac State's affiliate membership run out, but it's not critical).

For basketball (and I suggest for volleyball) they can make cross conference work by rotating basis 3 West games in the double round robin not to be play (say for example, NMSU at Seattle, Cal Baptist at Utah Valley, Dixie State at GCU; different games each year not played). This would free up 6 West schools to play the 18th game against a South West school. Without that playing every team in Division twice and cross division once works for the West to get 18 games (12 division, 6 crossover) but not the Southwest (10 division, 7 crossover).

I actually think women's volleyball should have 16 games with crossover. It will work better when a 7th Texas school is found because it would mean only one travel weekend for crossover play annually. But even now it's just 3 crossover road games for the Texas schools, 2½ average for the others (four West games would not get played -- that means one school misses two games).

When they get the 7th Texas school, the scheduling gets simpler, 12 games in Division and 4 (women's) or 6 (men's) crossover.

I guess women's soccer will play double round robin for 10 games. Most conferences don't have divisions and you just play everyone once, which would be 11 games in the WAC, but travel reduction is the aim.

Baseball and Softball depends on how many games they want to play. Right now 27 games, once everyone. I guess you could go to 30 with double round robin division only 10 weekend schedule. But you could go 24 games, rotate which 2 schools you only play one weekend. Small size in-division only play is standard for many conferences. So this would be normal.

Men's soccer has six (6) RGV, GCU, Cal Baptist, Dixie State, Utah Valley, Seattle plus five (5) affiliates San Jose State, UNLV, Air Force, Houston Baptist, Incarnate Word. I don't see why they would change anything, as realignment changes nothing. Note, I don't think Chicago State soccer will be allowed to play in the WAC, as they will be next year only anyway.

That is my take how it will actually work.
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Tarleton should have women’s soccer in 2022. HC position has been opened.
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(01-16-2021 08:15 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  Tarleton should have women’s soccer in 2022. HC position has been opened.

Does seem likely, despite nothing on the Athletic News site. Found with google search:

https://www.ziprecruiter.com/c/Tarleton-...48628317bb

also this is part of their WAC agreement to happen during the 4 year '21-24 transition to D-I

https://www.yourstephenvilletx.com/news/...division-i

I guess NMSU only needs to move over for softball if it starts up in '22. Tarleton is looking too comply with T9 scholarship requirements with a dozen (full equivalent) more football players under scholarship than in D-II. Makes sense.
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RE: Speculating What Scheduling in a New WAC Would Look Like
KatFans.com threads including future scheduling which features a running list of upcoming games for WAC in the below sports over the coming years.

Football
Men's Basketball
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Came across this thread from last night. The WAC's media relations guy did an interview and provided this update on scheduling & league championships



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For the first time, the WAC has gathered the ADs and SWAs from across the league. The WAC commish says the Presidents will be meeting in June. I presume we will know quite a bit more about future scheduling and some of the other things we are looking for answers on before long.

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(05-04-2021 07:59 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  For the first time, the WAC has gathered the ADs and SWAs from across the league. The WAC commish says the Presidents will be meeting in June. I presume we will know quite a bit more about future scheduling and some of the other things we are looking for answers on before long.


I spoke to Chris Jans at an Aggie Golf tourney last week. He said there was a lot of ongoing discussion on scheduling. Said that teams wouldn’t necessarily play each team in their division twice. Said the number 13 made scheduling difficult.
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(05-05-2021 10:19 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 07:59 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  For the first time, the WAC has gathered the ADs and SWAs from across the league. The WAC commish says the Presidents will be meeting in June. I presume we will know quite a bit more about future scheduling and some of the other things we are looking for answers on before long.


I spoke to Chris Jans at an Aggie Golf tourney last week. He said there was a lot of ongoing discussion on scheduling. Said that teams wouldn’t necessarily play each team in their division twice. Said the number 13 made scheduling difficult.

I think until the WAC gets to an even number of teams for basketball (14 or 12) for division play, the basketball conference will remain as ONE division set up.

With 13 teams, I could see where the WAC sets up regular season competition where each team plays 6 teams twice (6 home and 6 away) and 6 teams once (3 at home; 3 on the road) for a 18-games conference schedule. Or, possibly competition where each team plays 8 teams twice (8 home and 8 away) and 4 teams once (2 at home, 2 on the road) for a 20-game conference schedule. The SOS and standings will be uneven based on who plays who once and where. But it will all get sorted out in the WAC tournament in single elimination. The cream should rise to the top.

This up coming season, Dixie State and Tarleton State should still be ineligible for the WAC tournament. However, to be fair to them, in 2023, both schools should be allowed to participate since the WAC is allowing CBU to participate now in the WAC tournament but they won't be NCAA tournament eligible until 2023; I think.
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Seems to confirm that the WAC is year-to-year with the Orleans. WCC has a three year deal that expires next year. Would like to see the league come to a consensus and nail down our slot for a few years.

Edit: sorry didn't realize that TT's post was from 3 months ago.
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(05-05-2021 10:50 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 10:19 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 07:59 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  For the first time, the WAC has gathered the ADs and SWAs from across the league. The WAC commish says the Presidents will be meeting in June. I presume we will know quite a bit more about future scheduling and some of the other things we are looking for answers on before long.


I spoke to Chris Jans at an Aggie Golf tourney last week. He said there was a lot of ongoing discussion on scheduling. Said that teams wouldn’t necessarily play each team in their division twice. Said the number 13 made scheduling difficult.

I think until the WAC gets to an even number of teams for basketball (14 or 12) for division play, the basketball conference will remain as ONE division set up.

With 13 teams, I could see where the WAC sets up regular season competition where each team plays 6 teams twice (6 home and 6 away) and 6 teams once (3 at home; 3 on the road) for a 18-games conference schedule. Or, possibly competition where each team plays 8 teams twice (8 home and 8 away) and 4 teams once (2 at home, 2 on the road) for a 20-game conference schedule. The SOS and standings will be uneven based on who plays who once and where. But it will all get sorted out in the WAC tournament in single elimination. The cream should rise to the top.

This up coming season, Dixie State and Tarleton State should still be ineligible for the WAC tournament. However, to be fair to them, in 2023, both schools should be allowed to participate since the WAC is allowing CBU to participate now in the WAC tournament but they won't be NCAA tournament eligible until 2023; I think.

Jans mentioned an 18 game schedule in our discussion. I think Moccia mentioned, in his Ask the AD segment last week, that there would not be divisions. I couldn't remember exactly, so I didn't put it in my earlier post. So for those counting at home, Jans mentioned divisions, Moccia said no divisions. It appears to be a very fluid situation right now.
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Divisions are a terrible idea. It’s like pre-partitioning the WAC into two more natural conferences.
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Challenges in working this out; it will be all be figured out eventually
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The signed invitations of membership from the WAC to its soon-to-be members stated that there will be division-only play during the conference’s regular season competition for baseball, softball, volleyball and soccer, while there won’t be any mandated regular season conference competition in cross country, indoor and outdoor track and field, tennis, golf or swimming and diving.

“We will not send our men’s tennis team to Seattle,” wrote Born, Lamar’s athletic director, in an email, regarding proposed conference tennis schedules for 2022. “We shouldn’t be playing regular season schedules in tennis.”

A few hours after the email containing the proposed tennis schedules was sent, a member of the WAC conference office then told the recipients to disregard the message. “Welcome to the WAC my man,” Moccia responded to Born.

Only the conference’s university presidents can change the scheduling agreement outlined in the membership invitations.

https://andywittry.substack.com/p/could-...ially-adds
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This will all come to a head in next week

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Schedule update

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The Board approved scheduling formats for the 2021-22 seasons which will feature division-only play for baseball, women's soccer, softball and women's tennis. Men's and women's basketball will not be divided into divisions and all teams will play an 18-game league schedule. Volleyball will play double-round robin within division with a week of crossover play halfway through the league schedule. Men's soccer and men's tennis will not be divided into divisions due to the number of full members sponsoring the sports.

Also approved was a championship site rotation that will provide geographic distribution between each division. For the 2021-22 seasons, the championships for men's and women's cross country, volleyball, men's golf, outdoor track & field and baseball will be in the West footprint and women's soccer, indoor track & field, women's golf, men's and women's tennis and softball will be in the Southwest footprint. The men's and women's basketball tournament will remain at Orleans Arena in Las Vegas. Due to a high number of affiliate members, men's soccer and men's and women's swimming & diving are not included in the geographic rotation.

https://www.wacsports.com/general/2020-2...0609posufk
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Hurd was on during one of the WACT baseball games and said the baseball tournament will be 8 teams but wasn't sure of where. He did compliment PHX, specifically about the proximity to MLB scouts and not having to worry about weather impacts. Not sure what other locations are in consideration for baseball.
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Sam Houston State WAC Volleyball home schedule is available. Looks like the 'Southwest Division' travel partners are Tarleton / Abilene, SFA / Sam, UTRGV / Lamar.

9/30 - Tarleton State
10/2 - Abilene Christian
10/9 - Stephen F Austin
10/28 - UT-RGV
10/30 - Lamar

Based on this, the "crossovers" are not being held at Sam Houston. Sam Houston is hosting a season-opening volleyball tournament too. No additional non-league games at home (at least known at this point), so this is a pretty small home schedule for the VB squad. By comparison in 2018 and 2019, the team had 11. If they get three games at the SHSU tournament, the team will have eight home contests.

Southwest Division = 10 games (home/away)
Crossover Play = ???

Anyone know if there is going to be a single crossover site? Or will SW Division teams play a few games in the west at multiple locales? Seems a single-site or splitting the league between a pair of sites is advantageous to all (less travel, could condense schedule over a few days/weekend).
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