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RE: A10 (If it ever added teams)
But what does Belmont want? Do they want to play a bunch of northern MVC teams? No. They’re in their perfect conference right now, and they can play some nearby SoCon teams for fun.
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(12-14-2020 02:55 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  There’s Rhode Island, too, but, it’s hard to say they really devote much to football considering they thought about NEC for a time there. But CAAF says something, I guess. Duquesne’s in NEC. Far from relevant. The two Pioneer schools (Dayton and Davidson) don’t/shouldn’t count.

Maybe I’m mis-perceiving this, but it has looked like Richmond took its foot off the football gas and is really more of a hoops school, though that was not the case 25-30 years ago?

Right, how could I forget URI. So the A10 has:

UMass - FBS

URI - CAA
Fordham - Patriot w/scholarships
Richmond - CAA

Duquesne - non-scholarship
Dayton - non-scholarship
Davidson - non-scholarship

The football Spiders won the 2008 FCS national title. I believe it was the first season in their beautiful on-campus stadium. It seems they finally committed to that level of football and it paid off. The basketball program has been good for quite some time.
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(12-15-2020 10:32 AM)esayem Wrote:  But what does Belmont want? Do they want to play a bunch of northern MVC teams? No. They’re in their perfect conference right now, and they can play some nearby SoCon teams for fun.



Perfect conference for travel ... and that's about it.

To answer your question, esayem, this Belmont fan would prefer the MVC over the OVC. The OVC offers only three hoops programs with any degree of national name recognition: Austin Peay, Belmont and Murray State. That's it.

But I do understand that travel budgets are a big deal and Belmont is in a conference that makes sense on various levels. Maybe in, say, 30 years the dynamic will change.
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Any room for UMBC?
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(12-15-2020 12:09 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  The OVC offers only three hoops programs with any degree of national name recognition: Austin Peay, Belmont and Murray State. That's it.

03-lmfao Austin Peay... name recognition? That’s funny. I’ve never seen it that way. “Let’s go Peay!!!”
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(12-15-2020 10:42 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(12-14-2020 02:55 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  There’s Rhode Island, too, but, it’s hard to say they really devote much to football considering they thought about NEC for a time there. But CAAF says something, I guess. Duquesne’s in NEC. Far from relevant. The two Pioneer schools (Dayton and Davidson) don’t/shouldn’t count.

Maybe I’m mis-perceiving this, but it has looked like Richmond took its foot off the football gas and is really more of a hoops school, though that was not the case 25-30 years ago?

Right, how could I forget URI. So the A10 has:

UMass - FBS

URI - CAA
Fordham - Patriot w/scholarships
Richmond - CAA

Duquesne - non-scholarship
Dayton - non-scholarship
Davidson - non-scholarship

The football Spiders won the 2008 FCS national title. I believe it was the first season in their beautiful on-campus stadium. It seems they finally committed to that level of football and it paid off. The basketball program has been good for quite some time.

Duquesne has scholarships—they just don’t do the full 63
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Please stop discussing A10 and football in the same breathe, STOP.

Did not want to post this old thread that I created in 2008 after reading a bleacher report article. It gives you the full details and both Temple and Charlotte 49ers have left the conference.

Please read this thread before ever discussing the A10 and football in the same breathe, except if you have football and possible FBS ambitions, it's a HUGE negative ever getting considered in the A10.

https://www.basketballforum.com/threads/atlantic-10-football-coming-soon-to-a-stadium-near-you
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(12-15-2020 08:50 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(12-15-2020 08:28 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
LostInSpace Wrote:They aren’t going to dump La Salle or any of the other Little Sisters of the Poor. They should but they won’t.

I don’t disagree. I think La Salle will eventually self select out. I do wonder if it’s a straight drop, from D1 entirely, or if they look to go to the NEC or MAAC to consider their overall situation.

They do have to spend more in the A10 than in other places. But giving up this one bit of leverage probably spells the end for a lot of things there athletically.

Institutional survival is a much bigger issue than A10 membership for La Salle. Dropping out of D1 does little to solve La Salle’s financial woes. La Salle enrolls proportionately more lower-income students than Temple does and they don’t have Temple’s financial resources. La Salle may mange to muddle through and survive but it’s not going to be easy for them.

The question becomes does athletics continue to serve and uphold the mission of the institution? If D1 helps get La Salle's name out there at all, it may be worth supporting. If not, maybe it's appropriate to review another level.

I don't disagree that dropping A10 isn't going to cure what really woes La Salle, but, being in the A10 expects them to spend a bit more than they would have to being elsewhere. Yet, I don't know how they evaluate that ROI.

As a Big 5 fan, I worry about them. I know a lot of schools are hurting right now, but, I've heard enough about La Salle that's concerning.
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(12-15-2020 10:42 AM)esayem Wrote:  The football Spiders won the 2008 FCS national title. I believe it was the first season in their beautiful on-campus stadium.

That was a couple of years later. I went to a UR game in 2008 and it was at the old City Stadium.
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(12-15-2020 01:57 PM)army56mike Wrote:  
(12-15-2020 12:09 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  The OVC offers only three hoops programs with any degree of national name recognition: Austin Peay, Belmont and Murray State. That's it.

03-lmfao Austin Peay... name recognition? That’s funny. I’ve never seen it that way. “Let’s go Peay!!!”

Austin Peay is a solid mid-major program that is fairly known and respected by college hoops fans in the South and Midwest. It is likely one of the few programs in history that has had a coach that stayed for 25 years or longer (in this case, Dave Loos).

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(12-15-2020 02:58 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(12-15-2020 08:50 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(12-15-2020 08:28 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
LostInSpace Wrote:They aren’t going to dump La Salle or any of the other Little Sisters of the Poor. They should but they won’t.

I don’t disagree. I think La Salle will eventually self select out. I do wonder if it’s a straight drop, from D1 entirely, or if they look to go to the NEC or MAAC to consider their overall situation.

They do have to spend more in the A10 than in other places. But giving up this one bit of leverage probably spells the end for a lot of things there athletically.

Institutional survival is a much bigger issue than A10 membership for La Salle. Dropping out of D1 does little to solve La Salle’s financial woes. La Salle enrolls proportionately more lower-income students than Temple does and they don’t have Temple’s financial resources. La Salle may mange to muddle through and survive but it’s not going to be easy for them.

The question becomes does athletics continue to serve and uphold the mission of the institution? If D1 helps get La Salle's name out there at all, it may be worth supporting. If not, maybe it's appropriate to review another level.

I don't disagree that dropping A10 isn't going to cure what really woes La Salle, but, being in the A10 expects them to spend a bit more than they would have to being elsewhere. Yet, I don't know how they evaluate that ROI.

As a Big 5 fan, I worry about them. I know a lot of schools are hurting right now, but, I've heard enough about La Salle that's concerning.

I looked at some MAAC AD budgets. La Salle’s budget was already at a MAAC level pre-COVID. Multiple MAAC members have a larger budget than La Salle. Moving to the MAAC doesn’t help their finances and it doesn’t give them the geographic exposure their leadership want. They want La Salle to have exposure in the southern half of the A10 footprint where high school enrollment isn’t declining the way it is in their core student recruitment footprint.

La Salle has used athletics as an enrollment tool. They offer partial scholarships to marginal D1 recruits. In return they get tuition and some enrollment from outside of their core recruitment footprint. However, they just cut seven sports including men’s water polo which they started sponsoring three years ago as an enrollment booster.
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I consider the Big 5 really the Big 4 (minus LaSalle) or Big 6 (including Drexel). I barely acknowledge LaSalle as a Philly school. I think I've been there once. I've been to Drexel more.

I think Philly men's b-ball was way more exciting when I first moved to Philly (1998) when Temple was near the end of the John Chaney run, Penn still had Fran Dunphy, and St. Joe's had Jameer Nelson. LaSalle hasn't been relevant since L-Train and Drexel hasn't made the NCAA's since 1996 I believe (there might have been one or two years they had an argument for an at large bid). St. Joe's isn't St. Joe's anymore (and Phil Martelli isn't there, I actually met Phil once). Once Dunphy left Penn they became irrelevant and Temple wasn't as good under Dunphy as they were under Chaney (plus moving to the AAC took excitement away from Temple basketball). Obviously Villanova became the team in the city which is great for them but bad for everyone else. I'll take 'Nova competing for national championships over the old days of Temple, Penn, and St. Joe's but I do miss having multiple good teams in Philly.
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(12-15-2020 05:34 PM)schmolik Wrote:  I consider the Big 5 really the Big 4 (minus LaSalle) or Big 6 (including Drexel). I barely acknowledge LaSalle as a Philly school. I think I've been there once. I've been to Drexel more.

I think Philly men's b-ball was way more exciting when I first moved to Philly (1998) when Temple was near the end of the John Chaney run, Penn still had Fran Dunphy, and St. Joe's had Jameer Nelson. LaSalle hasn't been relevant since L-Train and Drexel hasn't made the NCAA's since 1996 I believe (there might have been one or two years they had an argument for an at large bid). St. Joe's isn't St. Joe's anymore (and Phil Martelli isn't there, I actually met Phil once). Once Dunphy left Penn they became irrelevant and Temple wasn't as good under Dunphy as they were under Chaney (plus moving to the AAC took excitement away from Temple basketball). Obviously Villanova became the team in the city which is great for them but bad for everyone else. I'll take 'Nova competing for national championships over the old days of Temple, Penn, and St. Joe's but I do miss having multiple good teams in Philly.


I respect the fact that though you are a Villanova fan, you also seem to root for the other Philly programs. Positive karma. Good stuff.
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