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Maybe that bowl game in Little Rock will finally get off the ground.
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It would also make sense to do #2 vs #2 and maybe #3 vs #3. Even if they just play it at one of the team’s stadiums and stream it to YouTube.

I think any exposure for those FCS schools becoming FBS is better than the little to none they receive now and that’s the motivation.
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(01-17-2021 02:45 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  It would also make sense to do #2 vs #2 and maybe #3 vs #3. Even if they just play it at one of the team’s stadiums and stream it to YouTube.

I think any exposure for those FCS schools becoming FBS is better than the little to none they receive now and that’s the motivation.

You do realize that most FCS teams get a few games on ESPN+ right? They dont have to be FBS just to put games on YouTube
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(01-17-2021 02:55 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(01-17-2021 02:45 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  It would also make sense to do #2 vs #2 and maybe #3 vs #3. Even if they just play it at one of the team’s stadiums and stream it to YouTube.

I think any exposure for those FCS schools becoming FBS is better than the little to none they receive now and that’s the motivation.

You do realize that most FCS teams get a few games on ESPN+ right? They dont have to be FBS just to put games on YouTube

I’m just saying they might have to use YouTube or I guess maybe ESPN+ if they don’t get their “bowl” games added to any broadcast network. They get some but not a lot. They will probably get more games though as FBS teams is what I’m saying but maybe not. Who knows what ESPN will do.
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(01-17-2021 02:55 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(01-17-2021 02:45 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  It would also make sense to do #2 vs #2 and maybe #3 vs #3. Even if they just play it at one of the team’s stadiums and stream it to YouTube.

I think any exposure for those FCS schools becoming FBS is better than the little to none they receive now and that’s the motivation.

You do realize that most FCS teams get a few games on ESPN+ right? They dont have to be FBS just to put games on YouTube

Just about all schools, DI, DII, DIII, NAIA, NJCAA, stream their games in some form. Most games football and basketball are accessible thanks to the intrawebz and the endless supply of streaming options.
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(01-17-2021 02:45 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  It would also make sense to do #2 vs #2 and maybe #3 vs #3. Even if they just play it at one of the team’s stadiums and stream it to YouTube.

I think any exposure for those FCS schools becoming FBS is better than the little to none they receive now and that’s the motivation.
I don't think the NCAA will allow a team to play a "made up" bowl game. Remember a few years back when South and some MAC team was rumored thinking about it.
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(01-17-2021 01:18 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Maybe that bowl game in Little Rock will finally get off the ground.

dang we were so close and yet the dumb leadership involved didn’t want to sell the rights to espn ...least that was the gist i was told
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(01-17-2021 03:26 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  
(01-17-2021 02:45 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  It would also make sense to do #2 vs #2 and maybe #3 vs #3. Even if they just play it at one of the team’s stadiums and stream it to YouTube.

I think any exposure for those FCS schools becoming FBS is better than the little to none they receive now and that’s the motivation.
I don't think the NCAA will allow a team to play a "made up" bowl game. Remember a few years back when South and some MAC team was rumored thinking about it.

I don’t but it would be dumb the ncaa could stop that... unless to not set a precedent that bigger teams begin doing it
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(01-17-2021 04:00 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  
(01-17-2021 03:26 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  
(01-17-2021 02:45 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  It would also make sense to do #2 vs #2 and maybe #3 vs #3. Even if they just play it at one of the team’s stadiums and stream it to YouTube.

I think any exposure for those FCS schools becoming FBS is better than the little to none they receive now and that’s the motivation.
I don't think the NCAA will allow a team to play a "made up" bowl game. Remember a few years back when South and some MAC team was rumored thinking about it.

I don’t but it would be dumb the ncaa could stop that... unless to not set a precedent that bigger teams begin doing it

You do realize all bowls are “made up” bowl games?.?.?...
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(01-17-2021 03:03 PM)Usajags Wrote:  
(01-17-2021 02:55 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(01-17-2021 02:45 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  It would also make sense to do #2 vs #2 and maybe #3 vs #3. Even if they just play it at one of the team’s stadiums and stream it to YouTube.

I think any exposure for those FCS schools becoming FBS is better than the little to none they receive now and that’s the motivation.

You do realize that most FCS teams get a few games on ESPN+ right? They dont have to be FBS just to put games on YouTube

Just about all schools, DI, DII, DIII, NAIA, NJCAA, stream their games in some form. Most games football and basketball are accessible thanks to the intrawebz and the endless supply of streaming options.

Correct. For example, all of Lamar's home men's and women's basketball games as well as the home football games have been on ESPN3 and then ESPN+ since January, 2016.

https://www.beaumontenterprise.com/sport...736181.php

I don't know what future plans are. Stephen F. Austin had a similar deal with ESPN for a little longer. I also think that additional sports were broadcast in their deal.
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Maybe the Longhorn Network needs more content, that someone may actually watch.
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Benefits of letting the ASUN and WAC move up:

1. The more regional FBS opponents help bring new fans to the stadium helping monetary gains. Less travel for OOC games.

1a. Troy and JSU can restart their rivalry with H&H series and there is nothing the Belt can say about that.
1b. Maybe stAte and UCA restart their rivalry with H&H series as well more often, like with Memphis, if stAte chooses and it should help bring fans to games. Like wit 1a, it helps generate interest and revenue.

2. If any of those teams rise up and find success like Liberty has, App State has, Georgia Southern has, and Coastal has this season, and we want to expand, we could easily poach them. (Not saying we have to or would want to, just saying for sake of argument)

4. Texas State has more FBS team in Texas at the G5 level they can begin to try and develop rivalries with in the WAC.

5. We get to use the phrase WACky Wednesday's when they take over that night of the week for a super small deal to let ESPN have their media rights.
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(01-18-2021 04:35 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  Benefits of letting the ASUN and WAC move up:

1. The more regional FBS opponents help bring new fans to the stadium helping monetary gains. Less travel for OOC games.

1a. Troy and JSU can restart their rivalry with H&H series and there is nothing the Belt can say about that.
1b. Maybe stAte and UCA restart their rivalry with H&H series as well more often, like with Memphis, if stAte chooses and it should help bring fans to games. Like wit 1a, it helps generate interest and revenue.

2. If any of those teams rise up and find success like Liberty has, App State has, Georgia Southern has, and Coastal has this season, and we want to expand, we could easily poach them. (Not saying we have to or would want to, just saying for sake of argument)

4. Texas State has more FBS team in Texas at the G5 level they can begin to try and develop rivalries with in the WAC.

5. We get to use the phrase WACky Wednesday's when they take over that night of the week for a super small deal to let ESPN have their media rights.

I think trying to force a rivalry that doesn't exist with UCA would turn a lot of Red Wolves fans(myself included) away from the program. Our rivals are Memphis, ULL, and the pigs if they'll ever play us. Like the App State fan said in another thread, bringing lots of FCS teams that are not ready in FBS would be awful for all G5 teams, especially the ones in state. All of the progress we have made against the P5(especially the lower P5) would be out the window.
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(01-18-2021 05:04 PM)PrideoftheStAte Wrote:  
(01-18-2021 04:35 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  Benefits of letting the ASUN and WAC move up:

1. The more regional FBS opponents help bring new fans to the stadium helping monetary gains. Less travel for OOC games.

1a. Troy and JSU can restart their rivalry with H&H series and there is nothing the Belt can say about that.
1b. Maybe stAte and UCA restart their rivalry with H&H series as well more often, like with Memphis, if stAte chooses and it should help bring fans to games. Like wit 1a, it helps generate interest and revenue.

2. If any of those teams rise up and find success like Liberty has, App State has, Georgia Southern has, and Coastal has this season, and we want to expand, we could easily poach them. (Not saying we have to or would want to, just saying for sake of argument)

4. Texas State has more FBS team in Texas at the G5 level they can begin to try and develop rivalries with in the WAC.

5. We get to use the phrase WACky Wednesday's when they take over that night of the week for a super small deal to let ESPN have their media rights.

I think trying to force a rivalry that doesn't exist with UCA would turn a lot of Red Wolves fans(myself included) away from the program. Our rivals are Memphis, ULL, and the pigs if they'll ever play us. Like the App State fan said in another thread, bringing lots of FCS teams that are not ready in FBS would be awful for all G5 teams, especially the ones in state. All of the progress we have made against the P5(especially the lower P5) would be out the window.

Thought I heard from some older fans it was one back in the day. If not, whoops. Also just playing someone then doesn’t means it’s a forced rivalry. I can also say Arkansas absolutely doesn’t see you as a rival and probably feels the same way about that you do about UCA.

If an FCS raises the financial support to do it let them. If not, every program in the G5 should be re-evaluated. ULM has done well enough with their budget, and sure more money would help, but it is what it is. What the Sun Belt has done isn’t going to be undone by other teams. ULM has literally beat the #8 ranked team in the country before and they still get crapped on all the time. Name another Sun Belt team that’s beat a top-10 team. App State vs Michigan but that was before they were even FBS.

We’ve also made no real progress because there are more and more P5 fans wanting to split to get away from us. It’s hypocritical because if ULM and Texas can be FBS together but a school like Troy and UNA can’t then they system makes no sense.
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(01-18-2021 04:35 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  Benefits of letting the ASUN and WAC move up:

1. The more regional FBS opponents help bring new fans to the stadium helping monetary gains. Less travel for OOC games.

1a. Troy and JSU can restart their rivalry with H&H series and there is nothing the Belt can say about that.
1b. Maybe stAte and UCA restart their rivalry with H&H series as well more often, like with Memphis, if stAte chooses and it should help bring fans to games. Like wit 1a, it helps generate interest and revenue.

2. If any of those teams rise up and find success like Liberty has, App State has, Georgia Southern has, and Coastal has this season, and we want to expand, we could easily poach them. (Not saying we have to or would want to, just saying for sake of argument)

4. Texas State has more FBS team in Texas at the G5 level they can begin to try and develop rivalries with in the WAC.

5. We get to use the phrase WACky Wednesday's when they take over that night of the week for a super small deal to let ESPN have their media rights.
Lol

Nobody wants any of this.

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(01-18-2021 08:07 PM)panama Wrote:  
(01-18-2021 04:35 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  Benefits of letting the ASUN and WAC move up:

1. The more regional FBS opponents help bring new fans to the stadium helping monetary gains. Less travel for OOC games.

1a. Troy and JSU can restart their rivalry with H&H series and there is nothing the Belt can say about that.
1b. Maybe stAte and UCA restart their rivalry with H&H series as well more often, like with Memphis, if stAte chooses and it should help bring fans to games. Like wit 1a, it helps generate interest and revenue.

2. If any of those teams rise up and find success like Liberty has, App State has, Georgia Southern has, and Coastal has this season, and we want to expand, we could easily poach them. (Not saying we have to or would want to, just saying for sake of argument)

4. Texas State has more FBS team in Texas at the G5 level they can begin to try and develop rivalries with in the WAC.

5. We get to use the phrase WACky Wednesday's when they take over that night of the week for a super small deal to let ESPN have their media rights.
Lol

Nobody wants any of this.

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(01-18-2021 04:35 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  Benefits of letting the ASUN and WAC move up:

1. The more regional FBS opponents help bring new fans to the stadium helping monetary gains. Less travel for OOC games.

1a. Troy and JSU can restart their rivalry with H&H series and there is nothing the Belt can say about that.
1b. Maybe stAte and UCA restart their rivalry with H&H series as well more often, like with Memphis, if stAte chooses and it should help bring fans to games. Like wit 1a, it helps generate interest and revenue.

2. If any of those teams rise up and find success like Liberty has, App State has, Georgia Southern has, and Coastal has this season, and we want to expand, we could easily poach them. (Not saying we have to or would want to, just saying for sake of argument)

4. Texas State has more FBS team in Texas at the G5 level they can begin to try and develop rivalries with in the WAC.

5. We get to use the phrase WACky Wednesday's when they take over that night of the week for a super small deal to let ESPN have their media rights.

What you’re describing is an FCS conference. I know, I cheered for App State in the SOCON for years. We had short little bus trips to Wofford where I would watch us play in front of a crowd of 6,000 and our games were on NC PBS. I’m not kidding.

If shorter bus trips, tiny tv contracts and rivalries against North Alabama and Jacksonville State are your desire, by all means, go FCS.

The more I think about these conferences moving up, the more I think I actually like it. Because the handout money from the P5’s will all but dry up because there will be so many G5 mouths to feed. So only the programs with strong boosters/butts in seats/great athletic departments will survive.

Any G5 shoestringing in FBS today should be VERY worried about their future.
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(01-18-2021 04:35 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  Benefits of letting the ASUN and WAC move up:

1. The more regional FBS opponents help bring new fans to the stadium helping monetary gains. Less travel for OOC games.

1a. Troy and JSU can restart their rivalry with H&H series and there is nothing the Belt can say about that.
1b. Maybe stAte and UCA restart their rivalry with H&H series as well more often, like with Memphis, if stAte chooses and it should help bring fans to games. Like wit 1a, it helps generate interest and revenue.

2. If any of those teams rise up and find success like Liberty has, App State has, Georgia Southern has, and Coastal has this season, and we want to expand, we could easily poach them. (Not saying we have to or would want to, just saying for sake of argument)

4. Texas State has more FBS team in Texas at the G5 level they can begin to try and develop rivalries with in the WAC.

5. We get to use the phrase WACky Wednesday's when they take over that night of the week for a super small deal to let ESPN have their media rights.

Don’t down those weekday games. I think it has a direct connection to the old CUSA being who they became, I also think it has something to do with the rise of the SBC. On ESPN on a Thursday is infinitely better then not being on TV at all.
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(01-18-2021 09:09 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  
(01-18-2021 04:35 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  Benefits of letting the ASUN and WAC move up:

1. The more regional FBS opponents help bring new fans to the stadium helping monetary gains. Less travel for OOC games.

1a. Troy and JSU can restart their rivalry with H&H series and there is nothing the Belt can say about that.
1b. Maybe stAte and UCA restart their rivalry with H&H series as well more often, like with Memphis, if stAte chooses and it should help bring fans to games. Like wit 1a, it helps generate interest and revenue.

2. If any of those teams rise up and find success like Liberty has, App State has, Georgia Southern has, and Coastal has this season, and we want to expand, we could easily poach them. (Not saying we have to or would want to, just saying for sake of argument)

4. Texas State has more FBS team in Texas at the G5 level they can begin to try and develop rivalries with in the WAC.

5. We get to use the phrase WACky Wednesday's when they take over that night of the week for a super small deal to let ESPN have their media rights.

What you’re describing is an FCS conference. I know, I cheered for App State in the SOCON for years. We had short little bus trips to Wofford where I would watch us play in front of a crowd of 6,000 and our games were on NC PBS. I’m not kidding.

If shorter bus trips, tiny tv contracts and rivalries against North Alabama and Jacksonville State are your desire, by all means, go FCS.

The more I think about these conferences moving up, the more I think I actually like it. Because the handout money from the P5’s will all but dry up because there will be so many G5 mouths to feed. So only the programs with strong boosters/butts in seats/great athletic departments will survive.

Any G5 shoestringing in FBS today should be VERY worried about their future.

I don’t think wanting to play an old rival is me wanting to be FCS. I guess I see the hypocrisy in football teams wanting to gate-keep others but whine about when P5 teams disrespect us. If they try and fail they can go back to FCS. If they try and succeed good for them, shows they deserved it. It’s literally the American way of opportunity. So yeah, so far not a single good argument has been made on why they should be actually kept out aside from we might get less money from the CFP. The NCAA will let them so might as well get over that.

Why worry about what WAC, ASUN, or even the freaking CUSA are doing anymore? Let’s work on getting us a TV deal that’s similar to what CUSA used to get or even more.

USAjags has already said it once. We probably aren’t far away from being forced to be Tier 2/3 (FCS but slightly better) if the P5 decide they don’t want to share ANY money with us and break away.
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(01-18-2021 10:11 PM)Usajags Wrote:  
(01-18-2021 04:35 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  Benefits of letting the ASUN and WAC move up:

1. The more regional FBS opponents help bring new fans to the stadium helping monetary gains. Less travel for OOC games.

1a. Troy and JSU can restart their rivalry with H&H series and there is nothing the Belt can say about that.
1b. Maybe stAte and UCA restart their rivalry with H&H series as well more often, like with Memphis, if stAte chooses and it should help bring fans to games. Like wit 1a, it helps generate interest and revenue.

2. If any of those teams rise up and find success like Liberty has, App State has, Georgia Southern has, and Coastal has this season, and we want to expand, we could easily poach them. (Not saying we have to or would want to, just saying for sake of argument)

4. Texas State has more FBS team in Texas at the G5 level they can begin to try and develop rivalries with in the WAC.

5. We get to use the phrase WACky Wednesday's when they take over that night of the week for a super small deal to let ESPN have their media rights.

Don’t down those weekday games. I think it has a direct connection to the old CUSA being who they became, I also think it has something to do with the rise of the SBC. On ESPN on a Thursday is infinitely better then not being on TV at all.

Just liked the play on words. Yeah Thursday’s are great and I guess Wednesdays are okay but if I’m playing midweek I prefer a Thursday night vs Wednesday
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