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RE: OT: WAC Football Returning?
(01-08-2021 01:10 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  
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(01-06-2021 09:31 AM)slycat Wrote:  Sources: The WAC plans to announce on Jan. 14 at NRG Stadium in Houston the formation of its FCS league, which starts play in football in 2022. The initial 7 WAC members: Abilene Christian, Lamar, Sam Houston, Stephen F. Austin. Southern Utah, Tarleton State and Dixie State.

The WAC is expected to add two more schools in the coming months. There’s a mix of DII and current FCS institutions being vetted by commissioner Jeff Hurd. The long-term goal of the league is to elevate the WAC back to FBS football later this decade.

Just what the FBS needs.... more schools that have NO BUSINESS being in the FBS.

Schools like Dixie State, Tarleton State, Abilene Christian, Southern Utah, and Lamar have no business whatsoever going FBS.

The fact that those schools would become FBS members before successful programs like NDSU, James Madison, Tennessee State, Central Arkansas, Jax State, etc. is mind-blowing.

James Madison did that to themselves in a way. Regardless, yeah it’s crazy. I mean the Sun Belt COULD help but why would we since it would hurt our tv revenue.
Remind me, but didn't we ask JMU to join before Coastal and they felt that they were too good for the Sun Belt?
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(01-08-2021 04:58 PM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  
(01-08-2021 12:56 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 09:31 AM)slycat Wrote:  Sources: The WAC plans to announce on Jan. 14 at NRG Stadium in Houston the formation of its FCS league, which starts play in football in 2022. The initial 7 WAC members: Abilene Christian, Lamar, Sam Houston, Stephen F. Austin. Southern Utah, Tarleton State and Dixie State.

The WAC is expected to add two more schools in the coming months. There’s a mix of DII and current FCS institutions being vetted by commissioner Jeff Hurd. The long-term goal of the league is to elevate the WAC back to FBS football later this decade.

Just what the FBS needs.... more schools that have NO BUSINESS being in the FBS.

Let me be frank... Schools like Dixie State, Tarleton State, Abilene Christian, Southern Utah, and Lamar have no business whatsoever going FBS.

The fact that those schools would become FBS members before successful programs like NDSU, James Madison, Tennessee State, Central Arkansas, Jax State, etc. is mind-blowing.

Want to know how many conference titles Dixie State has won in it's history? Zero.

Want to know how may winning seasons Dixie State has had since it started playing football 15 years ago? Three.

Want to know what Dixie State's attendance average was in 2019? 3,700.

It's crap like this that's going to continually give the P5 a reason to break away from the G5.... because the NCAA has no leadership, and no one is setting a higher "admission standard" to prevent low-value programs from invading the FBS.

BE careful of what you wish for. The could put the minimum actual attendance (not tickets sold) at 25,000 then we are all screwed and they wouldn’t need to split off
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(01-08-2021 08:55 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  
(01-08-2021 01:10 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  
(01-08-2021 12:56 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 09:31 AM)slycat Wrote:  Sources: The WAC plans to announce on Jan. 14 at NRG Stadium in Houston the formation of its FCS league, which starts play in football in 2022. The initial 7 WAC members: Abilene Christian, Lamar, Sam Houston, Stephen F. Austin. Southern Utah, Tarleton State and Dixie State.

The WAC is expected to add two more schools in the coming months. There’s a mix of DII and current FCS institutions being vetted by commissioner Jeff Hurd. The long-term goal of the league is to elevate the WAC back to FBS football later this decade.

Just what the FBS needs.... more schools that have NO BUSINESS being in the FBS.

Schools like Dixie State, Tarleton State, Abilene Christian, Southern Utah, and Lamar have no business whatsoever going FBS.

The fact that those schools would become FBS members before successful programs like NDSU, James Madison, Tennessee State, Central Arkansas, Jax State, etc. is mind-blowing.

James Madison did that to themselves in a way. Regardless, yeah it’s crazy. I mean the Sun Belt COULD help but why would we since it would hurt our tv revenue.
Remind me, but didn't we ask JMU to join before Coastal and they felt that they were too good for the Sun Belt?

Yep that’s what I’m saying. It’s their own fault that happened to them so jokes on them.
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RE: OT: WAC Football Returning?
(01-08-2021 03:51 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(01-08-2021 02:19 PM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  Here's a comparison of Troy vs Lamar looking at the Knight Commission on College Athletics database revenue breakdown. The comparison is restricted to the most recent year in the database, 2018, because I am lazy, but similar comparisons could be made going back to 2005. I picked the Knight Commission information because it provides a little more detailed breakdown without doing a lot of work compared to other sources.

It's not about that. It's about the commitment to athletics and how certain thresholds should be met before moving up to the FBS.

Lamar had their football disbanded for nearly 20 years because the admin didn't want money being diverted to football anymore. Granted, things are different now for Lamar... but the football program has had only two winning seasons since starting football back up in 2010 in the FCS.

Lamar has won zero conference titles since then.

Lamar football has a record of 47-68 since starting football back up, with a really bad 26-48 record in the Southland Conference alone.

Putting that into perspective, in Troy's first year of playing in Division 1AA (1992) we went 10-1... beating UCF, along with four Top 25 1AA teams.

In Troy's second year of ever playing 1AA (1993), we went 12-1, finished the regular season undefeated, and finished as the #1 ranked team in the TSN poll... losing to Marshall in the 1AA semifinals.

Troy was already prepared for the jump to 1AA after winning Division II national titles.

Upon moving to FBS, Troy had already been to the 1AA Playoffs 7 times in 8 years of being in 1AA. Troy won the Southland Conference 3 times after being in it only 5 years. Troy also compiled a record of 87-23 while in 1AA, and was considered one of the top perennial powers in 1AA with Georgia Southern, App State, Marshall, Montana, etc. We positioned ourselves for that move.

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Lamar averages around 7,000 fans per game, in a stadium that seats 16,000. In a city of over 100K people, with a metro of 400K.

Troy was averaging 17,000 in a stadium that seated 17,500 before we moved up to FBS. In a city back then of 14K people, with a county of 28K.

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Troy, along with most of the teams that have moved up to the SBC, have had a very strong commitment to athletics, especially football, for many years. Most of the teams that moved up did so after establishing a run of success that warranted a bump up in competition and notoriety. Hell, even ULM had already won a 1AA national title, won a few Southland Conference titles, and was an annual Top 25 team before moving up!

The same cannot be said about many of the teams moving to the WAC (except for two or three of them).

That's why the NCAA needs to set stronger requirements, instead of the current silly requirements that aren't even enforced. If they were enforced, 1/4 of the MAC would already be back in the FCS.

Those are all great points and Troy's attendance and game success are definitely things to shoot for. Luckily, for schools still trying to build the record as well as for many current FBS members, the number of wins is not a requirement. One requirement is based on averaging 15,000 every other year. It would be great to be able to have a great actual attendance, but that is not the case even for several current FBS members. It is also not a requirement.

Paid attendance can be used to meet the 15,000. Below is a look at the number of FBS schools with reported attendance below 15,000 each year; probably paid. I also added the lowest average for each year. I added Lamar's average attendance and money that would be needed to push paid attendance to 15,000 PAID attendance each year. The requirement is every other year so I alternated columns to reflect that. Only one column would be used since the requirement is every other year. FCS has no minimum requirements so what you see is what you get for the Lamar attendance. There is no need to kick in a little extra to meet a paid attendance number for FCS.

The amount of money required to hit 15,000 is minimal, a little over 5%, based on Lamar's 2018-19 FCS football budget of $4,300,112 according to the OPE Equity in Athletics. Looking at worst case below, meeting the 15,000 paid attendance requirement would be a little over $250,000 added each year ($502,140.00 / 2 = $251,070.00 for the time period 2016-2017). The actual incremental percentage increase, if required, should be less in real case. The football budget would be higher in FBS. Also, hopefully, attendance would be higher minimizing the need for additional outlay of funds to reach the 15,000 average every other year requirement.

========FBS Low Annual Attendance==|=====Compared to Lamar====================
Year.....# below 15k.....Lowest Attendance.....Lamar Attendance...LU Get to 15k...LU get to 15k
2019...............9......................8518...........|..........7173..................$469,620.00
2018.............14,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,10288.........|..........7077..............................................$475,380.00
2017.............13........................9899.........|..........6631...................$502,140.00
2016.............11........................7789.........|..........7429..............................................$454,260.00
2015.............10........................4897.........|..........9364....................$338,160.00
2014...............9........................9170.........|..........8347..............................................$399,180.00
2013...............6........................4051.........|..........8379....................$397,260.00

One would hope having OOC teams at the level of Southern Miss on the schedule instead a schedule with teams the level of NAIA Bethel (TN), home attendance would be a little better.
Here are the OOC home games for the time period above. The future OOC schedules are better.

2019 - Bethel (TN) NAIA; Mississippi Valley State
2018 - Kentucky Christian (NAIA)
2017 - UT- Permain Basin (Division 2)
2016 - Coastal Carolina (Great opponent transitioning to FBS - Top home attendance of the year, but lower than I would like)
2015 - Bacone (NAIA)
2014 - Grambling State (FCS) - (Great opponent - 2nd best attendance
2013- Oklahoma Panhandle State (NAIA)
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Unfortunately going back as conference mates for several years in the old SLC Lamar was never very good. Like most Texas teams. I doubt it will get better.
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(01-08-2021 10:26 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  Unfortunately going back as conference mates for several years in the old SLC Lamar was never very good. Like most Texas teams. I doubt it will get better.
Sam made two FCS Championship games and SFA had success in basketball but they are never mentioned for Sun Belt or CUSA expansion. Teams with SLC experience will not want to be in a conference with their former conference mates.

With former conference mates gatekeeping here and across the street, the WAC is the only place to change things up.

New Mexico State is FBS and wants to stay that way. If they can convince these teams to throw money and develop a plan like TXST did, maybe they will find success.
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Once the WAC enters FBS, they might raid CUSA. 05-stirthepot
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central arkansas going to the ASUN means the Sun Belt loses a men's soccer team since that sport is sponsored in the ASUN.
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(01-08-2021 09:05 PM)panama Wrote:  
(01-08-2021 04:58 PM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  
(01-08-2021 12:56 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 09:31 AM)slycat Wrote:  Sources: The WAC plans to announce on Jan. 14 at NRG Stadium in Houston the formation of its FCS league, which starts play in football in 2022. The initial 7 WAC members: Abilene Christian, Lamar, Sam Houston, Stephen F. Austin. Southern Utah, Tarleton State and Dixie State.

The WAC is expected to add two more schools in the coming months. There’s a mix of DII and current FCS institutions being vetted by commissioner Jeff Hurd. The long-term goal of the league is to elevate the WAC back to FBS football later this decade.

Just what the FBS needs.... more schools that have NO BUSINESS being in the FBS.

Let me be frank... Schools like Dixie State, Tarleton State, Abilene Christian, Southern Utah, and Lamar have no business whatsoever going FBS.

The fact that those schools would become FBS members before successful programs like NDSU, James Madison, Tennessee State, Central Arkansas, Jax State, etc. is mind-blowing.

Want to know how many conference titles Dixie State has won in it's history? Zero.

Want to know how may winning seasons Dixie State has had since it started playing football 15 years ago? Three.

Want to know what Dixie State's attendance average was in 2019? 3,700.

It's crap like this that's going to continually give the P5 a reason to break away from the G5.... because the NCAA has no leadership, and no one is setting a higher "admission standard" to prevent low-value programs from invading the FBS.

BE careful of what you wish for. The could put the minimum actual attendance (not tickets sold) at 25,000 then we are all screwed and they wouldn’t need to split off
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There is a huge difference between 3,000 butts in the seats and even having 15,000 tickets sold. 3,000 is Division 2 numbers or perhaps some of the smaller FCS programs. There is absolutely no way the NCAA should allow a school drawing only 3,000 people into FBS.

There is also no need to up the admission standard from where it is because I highly doubt Dixie State meets the threshold based on tickets sold.
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(01-16-2021 11:06 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(01-08-2021 09:05 PM)panama Wrote:  
(01-08-2021 04:58 PM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  
(01-08-2021 12:56 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 09:31 AM)slycat Wrote:  Sources: The WAC plans to announce on Jan. 14 at NRG Stadium in Houston the formation of its FCS league, which starts play in football in 2022. The initial 7 WAC members: Abilene Christian, Lamar, Sam Houston, Stephen F. Austin. Southern Utah, Tarleton State and Dixie State.

The WAC is expected to add two more schools in the coming months. There’s a mix of DII and current FCS institutions being vetted by commissioner Jeff Hurd. The long-term goal of the league is to elevate the WAC back to FBS football later this decade.

Just what the FBS needs.... more schools that have NO BUSINESS being in the FBS.

Let me be frank... Schools like Dixie State, Tarleton State, Abilene Christian, Southern Utah, and Lamar have no business whatsoever going FBS.

The fact that those schools would become FBS members before successful programs like NDSU, James Madison, Tennessee State, Central Arkansas, Jax State, etc. is mind-blowing.

Want to know how many conference titles Dixie State has won in it's history? Zero.

Want to know how may winning seasons Dixie State has had since it started playing football 15 years ago? Three.

Want to know what Dixie State's attendance average was in 2019? 3,700.

It's crap like this that's going to continually give the P5 a reason to break away from the G5.... because the NCAA has no leadership, and no one is setting a higher "admission standard" to prevent low-value programs from invading the FBS.

BE careful of what you wish for. The could put the minimum actual attendance (not tickets sold) at 25,000 then we are all screwed and they wouldn’t need to split off
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There is a huge difference between 3,000 butts in the seats and even having 15,000 tickets sold. 3,000 is Division 2 numbers or perhaps some of the smaller FCS programs. There is absolutely no way the NCAA should allow a school drawing only 3,000 people into FBS.

There is also no need to up the admission standard from where it is because I highly doubt Dixie State meets the threshold based on tickets sold.

There are some D3 that get 3k to a game.
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(01-16-2021 11:06 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(01-08-2021 09:05 PM)panama Wrote:  
(01-08-2021 04:58 PM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  
(01-08-2021 12:56 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(01-06-2021 09:31 AM)slycat Wrote:  Sources: The WAC plans to announce on Jan. 14 at NRG Stadium in Houston the formation of its FCS league, which starts play in football in 2022. The initial 7 WAC members: Abilene Christian, Lamar, Sam Houston, Stephen F. Austin. Southern Utah, Tarleton State and Dixie State.

The WAC is expected to add two more schools in the coming months. There’s a mix of DII and current FCS institutions being vetted by commissioner Jeff Hurd. The long-term goal of the league is to elevate the WAC back to FBS football later this decade.

Just what the FBS needs.... more schools that have NO BUSINESS being in the FBS.

Let me be frank... Schools like Dixie State, Tarleton State, Abilene Christian, Southern Utah, and Lamar have no business whatsoever going FBS.

The fact that those schools would become FBS members before successful programs like NDSU, James Madison, Tennessee State, Central Arkansas, Jax State, etc. is mind-blowing.

Want to know how many conference titles Dixie State has won in it's history? Zero.

Want to know how may winning seasons Dixie State has had since it started playing football 15 years ago? Three.

Want to know what Dixie State's attendance average was in 2019? 3,700.

It's crap like this that's going to continually give the P5 a reason to break away from the G5.... because the NCAA has no leadership, and no one is setting a higher "admission standard" to prevent low-value programs from invading the FBS.

BE careful of what you wish for. The could put the minimum actual attendance (not tickets sold) at 25,000 then we are all screwed and they wouldn’t need to split off
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There is a huge difference between 3,000 butts in the seats and even having 15,000 tickets sold. 3,000 is Division 2 numbers or perhaps some of the smaller FCS programs. There is absolutely no way the NCAA should allow a school drawing only 3,000 people into FBS.

There is also no need to up the admission standard from where it is because I highly doubt Dixie State meets the threshold based on tickets sold.

Ive been to game where 3000 butts in seats turned into 20,000 in attendance.
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That’s the problem with the attendance rule, there are no standards. It would require the NCAA to have a representative at every game, and a required set of rules of how all institutions collect that data, and let’s face it, that’s not going to happen. So we are all left with the eye test, and that’s ridiculously objective. I’ve seen pictures of stadiums were a fan calls it a near sell out, yet if you actually look at the people, only half the seats are occupied, which really means it’s closer to 50% instead over a sellout.
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Sorry, but it's silly to act like there's no difference between the teams that joined FBS in the last decade and this crop of teams expected to be a part of WAC. The difference is one group was chosen for backfilling by actual FBS leagues. Not a single one of the teams in the proposed WAC or A-Sun were even on the radar for any FBS league.

Also, keep in mind there's a reason even premier FCS leagues like the MVFC and CAA don't make money off of TV contracts while G5 teams get at least mid-6 figures per school per year. These new leagues would either have to pay to be on TV or would have to put their games on a Twitch or Youtube stream.

I'm not that worried about the P5 splitting (congress will never allow and there's just too many other obstacles), but these FCS teams could very well water down what the GX conferences get from the CFP. As I said in the realignment board, if the P5 and G5 can be separrate categories as far as NY6 bids and voting power and revenue distribution, the G5 should also have the right to have their own category from these teams looking to move up as a conference.
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(Yesterday 11:19 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Sorry, but it's silly to act like there's no difference between the teams that joined FBS in the last decade and this crop of teams expected to be a part of WAC. The difference is one group was chosen for backfilling by actual FBS leagues. Not a single one of the teams in the proposed WAC or A-Sun were even on the radar for any FBS league.

Also, keep in mind there's a reason even premier FCS leagues like the MVFC and CAA don't make money off of TV contracts while G5 teams get at least mid-6 figures per school per year. These new leagues would either have to pay to be on TV or would have to put their games on a Twitch or Youtube stream.

I'm not that worried about the P5 splitting (congress will never allow and there's just too many other obstacles), but these FCS teams could very well water down what the GX conferences get from the CFP. As I said in the realignment board, if the P5 and G5 can be separrate categories as far as NY6 bids and voting power and revenue distribution, the G5 should also have the right to have their own category from these teams looking to move up as a conference.

Some of those were not on the radar because of proximity to other SBC members. Not want competition has little to do with capability.
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(Yesterday 12:20 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  
(Yesterday 11:19 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Sorry, but it's silly to act like there's no difference between the teams that joined FBS in the last decade and this crop of teams expected to be a part of WAC. The difference is one group was chosen for backfilling by actual FBS leagues. Not a single one of the teams in the proposed WAC or A-Sun were even on the radar for any FBS league.

Also, keep in mind there's a reason even premier FCS leagues like the MVFC and CAA don't make money off of TV contracts while G5 teams get at least mid-6 figures per school per year. These new leagues would either have to pay to be on TV or would have to put their games on a Twitch or Youtube stream.

I'm not that worried about the P5 splitting (congress will never allow and there's just too many other obstacles), but these FCS teams could very well water down what the GX conferences get from the CFP. As I said in the realignment board, if the P5 and G5 can be separrate categories as far as NY6 bids and voting power and revenue distribution, the G5 should also have the right to have their own category from these teams looking to move up as a conference.

Some of those were not on the radar because of proximity to other SBC members. Not want competition has little to do with capability.

Did Coastal just edge out EKU back in the day?
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The big question now is when does the MVFC announce their intentions of moving up??? You know NDSU is gonna want in on this action. They will not want to be left in the 3rd tier.

I have no doubt that the top of the current FCS could compete in the G5, just like I have no doubt that the top of the G5 could compete in P5. That doesn’t mean win championships, but it does mean winning more then you lose.
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(Yesterday 12:25 PM)Usajags Wrote:  The big question now is when does the MVFC announce their intentions of moving up??? You know NDSU is gonna want in on this action. They will not want to be left in the 3rd tier.

I have no doubt that the top of the current FCS could compete in the G5, just like I have no doubt that the top of the G5 could compete in P5. That doesn’t mean win championships, but it does mean winning more then you lose.

Well the only way to probably stop mass expansion is to bite the expansion bullet and look to add some of the top teams who are more close to ready in hopes to expand the deals when we begin renegotiate TV deals. If Liberty leaves I think it slows the ASUN down, maybe JSU and EKU can pool resources to propel themselves up. WAC seems inevitable unless the CUSA west schools break away and invite like SHS, SFA, and NMSU.

Only other option is FBS breaks away and governs themselves in football and gatekeep. ESPN only has so much money to give out with taking away from other G5’s and if we keep expanding teams we will need more bowls and we already have a hard time getting interest in what we do have.

Or we let the dominoes fall and hope we are valued above the other Group of X leagues.
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RE: OT: WAC Football Returning?
(Yesterday 12:39 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 12:25 PM)Usajags Wrote:  The big question now is when does the MVFC announce their intentions of moving up??? You know NDSU is gonna want in on this action. They will not want to be left in the 3rd tier.

I have no doubt that the top of the current FCS could compete in the G5, just like I have no doubt that the top of the G5 could compete in P5. That doesn’t mean win championships, but it does mean winning more then you lose.

Well the only way to probably stop mass expansion is to bite the expansion bullet and look to add some of the top teams who are more close to ready in hopes to expand the deals when we begin renegotiate TV deals. If Liberty leaves I think it slows the ASUN down, maybe JSU and EKU can pool resources to propel themselves up. WAC seems inevitable unless the CUSA west schools break away and invite like SHS, SFA, and NMSU.

Only other option is FBS breaks away and governs themselves in football and gatekeep. ESPN only has so much money to give out with taking away from other G5’s and if we keep expanding teams we will need more bowls and we already have a hard time getting interest in what we do have.

Or we let the dominoes fall and hope we are valued above the other Group of X leagues.

ESPN doesnt have to give out any money and no new bowls need to be created. Just because a group of schools wanna move up and call themselves FBS doesnt mean anyone is obligated to give them a TV deal or bowl game.
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RE: OT: WAC Football Returning?
(Yesterday 01:11 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 12:39 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 12:25 PM)Usajags Wrote:  The big question now is when does the MVFC announce their intentions of moving up??? You know NDSU is gonna want in on this action. They will not want to be left in the 3rd tier.

I have no doubt that the top of the current FCS could compete in the G5, just like I have no doubt that the top of the G5 could compete in P5. That doesn’t mean win championships, but it does mean winning more then you lose.

Well the only way to probably stop mass expansion is to bite the expansion bullet and look to add some of the top teams who are more close to ready in hopes to expand the deals when we begin renegotiate TV deals. If Liberty leaves I think it slows the ASUN down, maybe JSU and EKU can pool resources to propel themselves up. WAC seems inevitable unless the CUSA west schools break away and invite like SHS, SFA, and NMSU.

Only other option is FBS breaks away and governs themselves in football and gatekeep. ESPN only has so much money to give out with taking away from other G5’s and if we keep expanding teams we will need more bowls and we already have a hard time getting interest in what we do have.

Or we let the dominoes fall and hope we are valued above the other Group of X leagues.

ESPN doesnt have to give out any money and no new bowls need to be created. Just because a group of schools wanna move up and call themselves FBS doesnt mean anyone is obligated to give them a TV deal or bowl game.

You’re right.. I guess the conferences could have the ASUN champ play WAC champ in a “bowl” game they produce themselves
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