(02-19-2021 01:07 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  

(02-19-2021 10:25 AM)eku05 Wrote:  

Quote:UCA should play in the WAC with their old SLC brethren for the fall. The OVC Schools on-the-move should play with the BSC as it makes the most sense logistically. This would get everyone access to an AQ spot while the ASUN gets their 6th member in line.

That makes sense in a lot of ways, but hasn't Ted been saying that they are planning for schools to play as the ASUN with all of the branding, etc. that that would entail next year even if there weren't enough members to hand out an AQ without a partnership?

I feel pretty confident that whatever next year looks like it will include all of the ASUN schools playing each other, and I wonder if they will even award an ASUN championship (again, with no AQ).

That would only gives the WAC schools 5 teams. No AQ.

The Texas Four plus Tarleton will play 2021. Dixie State won't play a WAC schedule but if UCA plays a WAC schedule that's 6 schools playing a round robin, even with Tarleton being in transition they'd get their AQ Bid.

(02-19-2021 02:20 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(02-19-2021 01:07 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  

(02-19-2021 10:25 AM)eku05 Wrote:  

Quote:UCA should play in the WAC with their old SLC brethren for the fall. The OVC Schools on-the-move should play with the BSC as it makes the most sense logistically. This would get everyone access to an AQ spot while the ASUN gets their 6th member in line.

That makes sense in a lot of ways, but hasn't Ted been saying that they are planning for schools to play as the ASUN with all of the branding, etc. that that would entail next year even if there weren't enough members to hand out an AQ without a partnership?

I feel pretty confident that whatever next year looks like it will include all of the ASUN schools playing each other, and I wonder if they will even award an ASUN championship (again, with no AQ).

That would only gives the WAC schools 5 teams. No AQ.

The Texas Four plus Tarleton will play 2021. Dixie State won't play a WAC schedule but if UCA plays a WAC schedule that's 6 schools playing a round robin, even with Tarleton being in transition they'd get their AQ Bid.

Thank you.

Not sure if anyone mentioned it but Air Force is joining the ASUN for lacrosse.

https://goairforcefalcons.com/news/2021/...rosse.aspx

Reports are a 1 year WAC/ASUN challenge for an AQ spot. The new ASUN teams with the Texas 4 WAC teams.

https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/13...70277?s=20

We'll see today if this is correct.

We know the ASUN wants 14 soon...

Will we go to 16 soon?

I'll just leave this here:

https://csnbbs.com/thread-919211.html

(02-20-2021 01:01 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  Not sure if anyone mentioned it but Air Force is joining the ASUN for lacrosse.

https://goairforcefalcons.com/news/2021/...rosse.aspx

When did the ASUN produced men's lacrosse? Also LU's men lax team is not part of this; we're still club (although we shouldn't be home).

(03-22-2021 06:58 PM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 01:01 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  Not sure if anyone mentioned it but Air Force is joining the ASUN for lacrosse.

https://goairforcefalcons.com/news/2021/...rosse.aspx

When did the ASUN produced men's lacrosse? Also LU's men lax team is not part of this; we're still club (although we shouldn't be home).

It just started this Spring, and there's not too many full members in it.

We'll have varsity ice hockey before men's lacrosse. Although, I'd love to have them both as NCAA.

(03-22-2021 06:50 PM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote:  I'll just leave this here:

https://csnbbs.com/thread-919211.html

This line from the OP on that thread:

(03-22-2021 01:00 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  This would help transition the A-Sun into being the football conference UNA and Jax State fans want it to be, IMO.

I don't know what UNA and JSU fans this guy's talked to (if any) but what I know of UNA and JSU, going back to the 1970s, is that we don't want to compete with each other in a football conference.

We want to compete with each other in every sport.

And by compete, I mean, we win championships in those sports and laugh as we force our cross-state rival to accept 2nd place.

UNA people, you're with me on this, right? I mean, that's what we had in the old Gulf South back in the day. (Except troy state was along for the ride as well. Screw those guys.)

We want ASUN Football to be as dominant in FCS as the MVFC is now.

We want ASUN hoops to be a multi-bid conference, year in, year out. (For the men AND women.)

We want ASUN diamond sports to be dominant. We want ASUN volleyball to be dominant. We want ASUN soccer and tennis and track and golf and rifle to be dominant.

Right now, the priority is getting that 6th school so ASUN Football can actually exist as an AQ conference. But don't think we're not watching everyone else playing this spring.

I quote JSU basketball Ray Harper: "We aren't a football school, we aren't a basketball school ... we are going to win at every sport."

(03-22-2021 09:53 PM)LUOrange Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 06:58 PM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 01:01 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  Not sure if anyone mentioned it but Air Force is joining the ASUN for lacrosse.

https://goairforcefalcons.com/news/2021/...rosse.aspx

When did the ASUN produced men's lacrosse? Also LU's men lax team is not part of this; we're still club (although we shouldn't be home).

It just started this Spring, and there's not too many full members in it.

We'll have varsity ice hockey before men's lacrosse. Although, I'd love to have them both as NCAA.

We already have women's in the ASUN so it would make sense just you add lacrosse. They are popular just as much as hockey and a powerhouse as well in their league. I wouldn't bet on that if I was you haha. We're not having NCAA D1 hockey anytime soon; maybe in the late 2020's imo.

(03-23-2021 04:45 PM)whupemall Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 06:50 PM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote:  I'll just leave this here:

https://csnbbs.com/thread-919211.html

This line from the OP on that thread:

(03-22-2021 01:00 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  This would help transition the A-Sun into being the football conference UNA and Jax State fans want it to be, IMO.

I don't know what UNA and JSU fans this guy's talked to (if any) but what I know of UNA and JSU, going back to the 1970s, is that we don't want to compete with each other in a football conference.

We want to compete with each other in every sport.

And by compete, I mean, we win championships in those sports and laugh as we force our cross-state rival to accept 2nd place.

UNA people, you're with me on this, right? I mean, that's what we had in the old Gulf South back in the day. (Except troy state was along for the ride as well. Screw those guys.)

We want ASUN Football to be as dominant in FCS as the MVFC is now.

We want ASUN hoops to be a multi-bid conference, year in, year out. (For the men AND women.)

We want ASUN diamond sports to be dominant. We want ASUN volleyball to be dominant. We want ASUN soccer and tennis and track and golf and rifle to be dominant.

Right now, the priority is getting that 6th school so ASUN Football can actually exist as an AQ conference. But don't think we're not watching everyone else playing this spring.

I quote JSU basketball Ray Harper: "We aren't a football school, we aren't a basketball school ... we are going to win at every sport."

Oh I agree. As an alum I want us to be successful in every sport, whether it's one that I personally care about or not. And I think having a great rivalry can help to build fan interest in sports they otherwise might not be interested in. We (UNA and JSU) had great games on the football field, but also filled up our basketball arenas during the 70s and 80s. That was before my time, but I've heard the atmosphere at some of those basketball games was equal to anything you'd see in the fall. If you can bring in some of the non-alum casual fans to see some of those games, you can hopefully build that interest with them enough to bring them back for other games, and in turn build the fanbase. It just makes so much more sense than regularly playing schools in North Carolina, or Illinois, or whatever.

I know a lot of long-term UNA fans just never felt the same about beating Valdosta or Delta State, as they did about beating you guys (or Troy). They were great opponents, and we had some great games, but it just wasn't the same.

And going back to the referenced thread - I'm not in any kind of hurry to kick out the Florida schools. Where would they go, anyway? I just hope we can all benefit from these membership moves and pull each other up, in every sport.

I want to post/comment about that other thread suggesting we become a football only conference, but there's so much to unpack there I'm honestly not sure where I would even begin. Wow.

(03-23-2021 04:45 PM)whupemall Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 06:50 PM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote:  I'll just leave this here:

https://csnbbs.com/thread-919211.html

This line from the OP on that thread:

(03-22-2021 01:00 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  This would help transition the A-Sun into being the football conference UNA and Jax State fans want it to be, IMO.

I don't know what UNA and JSU fans this guy's talked to (if any) but what I know of UNA and JSU, going back to the 1970s, is that we don't want to compete with each other in a football conference.

We want to compete with each other in every sport.

And by compete, I mean, we win championships in those sports and laugh as we force our cross-state rival to accept 2nd place.

UNA people, you're with me on this, right? I mean, that's what we had in the old Gulf South back in the day. (Except troy state was along for the ride as well. Screw those guys.)

We want ASUN Football to be as dominant in FCS as the MVFC is now.

We want ASUN hoops to be a multi-bid conference, year in, year out. (For the men AND women.)

We want ASUN diamond sports to be dominant. We want ASUN volleyball to be dominant. We want ASUN soccer and tennis and track and golf and rifle to be dominant.

Right now, the priority is getting that 6th school so ASUN Football can actually exist as an AQ conference. But don't think we're not watching everyone else playing this spring.

I quote JSU basketball Ray Harper: "We aren't a football school, we aren't a basketball school ... we are going to win at every sport."

Ding Ding Ding....

UNA and JSU are basically the same school as far as size, fan support, roots and so on. Yes we are big rivals, but it's more of a brother vs brother rival than a deep hatred. Many people from Florence went to JSU and many people from Jacksonville, Oxford, and Anniston went to UNA. And we all hate troy state.

I've told people for years, UNA and JSU need each other together. We don't have to have troy state, but UNA and JSU do. That's why JSU got so mad that the OVC didn't invite UNA. And everyone said I was crazy when I said UNA wouldn't entertain the OVC again and. That JSU would eventually join the ASUN again. Just like people think I'm crazy when I tell the facts about Chattanooga. I have been told personally by Chattanooga people that they are very interested in joining with JSU, UNA and KSU and that was before the ASUN invited JSU, UCA and EKU. Chattanooga, like EKU and JSU has a lot of alumni in the ASUN footprint.

Don't know if it will happen, but they are considering it...

(03-23-2021 11:47 PM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 09:53 PM)LUOrange Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 06:58 PM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 01:01 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  Not sure if anyone mentioned it but Air Force is joining the ASUN for lacrosse.

https://goairforcefalcons.com/news/2021/...rosse.aspx

When did the ASUN produced men's lacrosse? Also LU's men lax team is not part of this; we're still club (although we shouldn't be home).

It just started this Spring, and there's not too many full members in it.

We'll have varsity ice hockey before men's lacrosse. Although, I'd love to have them both as NCAA.

We already have women's in the ASUN so it would make sense just you add lacrosse. They are popular just as much as hockey and a powerhouse as well in their league. I wouldn't bet on that if I was you haha. We're not having NCAA D1 hockey anytime soon; maybe in the late 2020's imo.

I'm sure the reason we don't have men's lacrosse is because of Title 9 and scholarships. I'll have to take your word for it with the man's lacrosse team, as I've never been to a game. I know the hockey team is probably the third best supported team on campus. Each game is a near sellout and the rink holds 4K.

(03-24-2021 05:44 PM)LUOrange Wrote:  

(03-23-2021 11:47 PM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 09:53 PM)LUOrange Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 06:58 PM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 01:01 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  Not sure if anyone mentioned it but Air Force is joining the ASUN for lacrosse.

https://goairforcefalcons.com/news/2021/...rosse.aspx

When did the ASUN produced men's lacrosse? Also LU's men lax team is not part of this; we're still club (although we shouldn't be home).

It just started this Spring, and there's not too many full members in it.

We'll have varsity ice hockey before men's lacrosse. Although, I'd love to have them both as NCAA.

We already have women's in the ASUN so it would make sense just you add lacrosse. They are popular just as much as hockey and a powerhouse as well in their league. I wouldn't bet on that if I was you haha. We're not having NCAA D1 hockey anytime soon; maybe in the late 2020's imo.

I'm sure the reason we don't have men's lacrosse is because of Title 9 and scholarships. I'll have to take your word for it with the man's lacrosse team, as I've never been to a game. I know the hockey team is probably the third best supported team on campus. Each game is a near sellout and the rink holds 4K.

Hockey is very popular on campus for sure. The thing is the price of making both men and women hockey NCAA D1 is what's in question. That will cost a lot for both teams; it would be easier if we would get an invite to a conference (Atlantic or, if lucky, Hockey East). I spoke to one of the coaches a couple years ago on this subject and he told me it'll take awhile for LU to consider that direction. Title IX is definitely involve, but our residential population will increase as the campus expand(which is what is planned). I'm guessing that LU would consider men's lax if we stay in the ASUN for a little while and there's plans to add another D1 women's sport (it might be golf since McCaw mentioned it awhile back in an interview). I hope I'm wrong; it would be great to have NCAA D1 hockey in Hill City.

(03-24-2021 07:21 PM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 05:44 PM)LUOrange Wrote:  

(03-23-2021 11:47 PM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 09:53 PM)LUOrange Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 06:58 PM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote:  When did the ASUN produced men's lacrosse? Also LU's men lax team is not part of this; we're still club (although we shouldn't be home).

It just started this Spring, and there's not too many full members in it.

We'll have varsity ice hockey before men's lacrosse. Although, I'd love to have them both as NCAA.

We already have women's in the ASUN so it would make sense just you add lacrosse. They are popular just as much as hockey and a powerhouse as well in their league. I wouldn't bet on that if I was you haha. We're not having NCAA D1 hockey anytime soon; maybe in the late 2020's imo.

I'm sure the reason we don't have men's lacrosse is because of Title 9 and scholarships. I'll have to take your word for it with the man's lacrosse team, as I've never been to a game. I know the hockey team is probably the third best supported team on campus. Each game is a near sellout and the rink holds 4K.

Hockey is very popular on campus for sure. The thing is the price of making both men and women hockey NCAA D1 is what's in question. That will cost a lot for both teams; it would be easier if we would get an invite to a conference (Atlantic or, if lucky, Hockey East). I spoke to one of the coaches a couple years ago on this subject and he told me it'll take awhile for LU to consider that direction. Title IX is definitely involve, but our residential population will increase as the campus expand(which is what is planned). I'm guessing that LU would consider men's lax if we stay in the ASUN for a little while and there's plans to add another D1 women's sport (it might be golf since McCaw mentioned it awhile back in an interview). I hope I'm wrong; it would be great to have NCAA D1 hockey in Hill City.

Knowing a couple folks involved with club sports, you hit it on the head: the problem is all about the money.

While it would seem to just be an easy transition, especially with the support the club teams have, the costs of switching from club to D1 Varsity is immense. This comes primarily in switching from students paying to play club sports, to the University paying the students in scholarships. Add to it also that the costs of switching to multiple D1 varsity sports (since Title IX would come into play) would create another deficit, & you have a school that desires to see its hockey teams play D1 Varsity, but is uncertain how quickly the deficit would begin to turn to a profit.

If there is a 6th football school out there that intends to join for the 22-23 season, I'd think there would be an announcement soon to meet the 1-year notice required by most conferences by July 1. Wonder why there has been no rush of schools jumping at the chance?

(04-07-2021 07:44 AM)The Cats Wrote:  If there is a 6th football school out there that intends to join for the 22-23 season, I'd think there would be an announcement soon to meet the 1-year notice required by most conferences by July 1. Wonder why there has been no rush of schools jumping at the chance?

I wouldn't assume that there isn't. I've heard some things that lead me to believe there are more schools interested than the ASUN will accept. It may be on our end that we're trying to figure out the best next move from among the options.

Also, it's at least possible some schools would prefer to wait until spring sports season is over to announce rather than dealing with the one-foot-out-the-door situation in their current conference.

(04-07-2021 02:05 PM)eku05 Wrote:  

(04-07-2021 07:44 AM)The Cats Wrote:  If there is a 6th football school out there that intends to join for the 22-23 season, I'd think there would be an announcement soon to meet the 1-year notice required by most conferences by July 1. Wonder why there has been no rush of schools jumping at the chance?

I wouldn't assume that there isn't. I've heard some things that lead me to believe there are more schools interested than the ASUN will accept. It may be on our end that we're trying to figure out the best next move from among the options.

Also, it's at least possible some schools would prefer to wait until spring sports season is over to announce rather than dealing with the one-foot-out-the-door situation in their current conference.

Totally Unsupported Speculation on my part:

UTC threw the spring season when it became apparent they were going to win the SoCon championship. Rather than causing their longtime conference to suffer the indignity of having a reigning champ jump ship laterally to another FCS conference -- let alone a "new" football conference -- the Mocs withdrew outright from spring competition.

Whether or not it was part of a "deal" with the SoCon, it would be a good political move for UTC. They have a long, long history with their current conference. If they've opted privately to move to the ASUN, this could have been a way to smooth over any hard feelings with their soon-to-be former conference mates and insure future relationships with them are not jeopardized in any way.

It would almost be worth the P.R. hit they've taken with their fan base by quitting on the spring season while they were ahead.

Hey, I said it was speculation.