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RE: UAB at Rice
(12-14-2020 02:40 PM)ruowls Wrote:  
(12-12-2020 05:48 PM)Texasowl Wrote:  How the hell you expect to win with a third string quarterback. One of the best defense we had since Goldsmith.

October 19, 1985.

Rice won that day when the starting QB went down on the third play of the game and the back-up was out as well. Enter the third string true freshman QB who had never taken a college football snap previously. Of course, it helped tremendously that Rice had a kicker that could make a 57 yarder.

This is why I said we lost the game before the 3rd guy came in. Of course, that offense was much more improvisational than this one is (or the players were).

(12-14-2020 04:19 PM)franklyconfused Wrote:  The explanation I've heard for the toss dive (I think it was a video by David Shaw, but I don't recall specifically. Honestly, it might have been another poster on this board) as opposed to a handoff is that the toss gets the ball into the halfback's hands a little quicker, letting them focus on where the blocks are developing and commit to accelerating a tiny bit earlier.

What the halfback gains in time, though, the defense gains, too. With the ball so quickly out of the quaterback's hands, the linebackers and secondary can attack the run quicker than normal. In theory, the QB is supposed to serve as a backside blocker, but the defenses were so keyed in on our tendency that they didn't even engage the QB. For all the times we ran that play on Saturday, I didn't see Johnson or Green need to actually make a block because the defense knew there was no threat that the HB would bounce the play back to that side or that this was actually a play-action pass to the QB. They see the quick toss and immediately crash inside. When the line can't beat a defense that so quickly knows exactly where the ball is going, the play fails.

From my perspective, you lose even more than that. As opposed to the QB and the RB meeting in the middle with the RB already having started his move and gaining momentum, the RB is delaying, waiting to secure the pitch. From a timing standpoint, it can't be more than a tiny fraction of a second difference in the timing, with a multiple of that lost in dorward momentum. We DID seem to run a toss tackle play that was perhaps at the 3 hole, but it wasn't different enough to matter.... and may have been simply an improvisation seeing the penetration.


(12-14-2020 03:37 PM)Pan95 Wrote:  I think that it is time to pull the plug on the Stanford offense. I understand the principle of a run first offense and how it benefits our defense. Truth be told, that is the philosophy that Bailiff had and it worked well under John Regan, Taylor McHargue, and Driphus Jackson. We can still utilize the full back, but the full back needs to be a verifiable pass catching threat. In the 2013 opener against A&M, the Rice offense generated over 500 yards with nearly 300 yards rushing. So far, this Stanford scheme is too predictable and easy to adjust to beyond the physicality.

I'm exactly with you here. I don't have a problem with the philosophy, but this coaching staff clearly isn't able to implement it, even for our level of competition. I didn't expect to win the conference this year, but a run-first offense with a HC who prides himself on the offensive line shouldn't have under 2 yards per carry in the last gave of the season or a single game with 7 sacks conceded. I haven't taken a look at the numbers, but I would be surprised if our per-game stats in conference play look substantially different than they did last year.
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You can be a run first offense, but you need 3-4 guys who are a threat to run. We have no jet sweep to speak of, we have no 'toss sweep'... the QB rarely keeps on the zone read... we have little misdirection in there... zone read to a pass?? We're trying to box with people and everyone else is recruiting Ninjas.
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RE: UAB at Rice
(12-14-2020 06:40 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(12-14-2020 02:40 PM)ruowls Wrote:  
(12-12-2020 05:48 PM)Texasowl Wrote:  How the hell you expect to win with a third string quarterback. One of the best defense we had since Goldsmith.

October 19, 1985.

Rice won that day when the starting QB went down on the third play of the game and the back-up was out as well. Enter the third string true freshman QB who had never taken a college football snap previously. Of course, it helped tremendously that Rice had a kicker that could make a 57 yarder.

This is why I said we lost the game before the 3rd guy came in. Of course, that offense was much more improvisational than this one is (or the players were).

(12-14-2020 04:19 PM)franklyconfused Wrote:  The explanation I've heard for the toss dive (I think it was a video by David Shaw, but I don't recall specifically. Honestly, it might have been another poster on this board) as opposed to a handoff is that the toss gets the ball into the halfback's hands a little quicker, letting them focus on where the blocks are developing and commit to accelerating a tiny bit earlier.

What the halfback gains in time, though, the defense gains, too. With the ball so quickly out of the quaterback's hands, the linebackers and secondary can attack the run quicker than normal. In theory, the QB is supposed to serve as a backside blocker, but the defenses were so keyed in on our tendency that they didn't even engage the QB. For all the times we ran that play on Saturday, I didn't see Johnson or Green need to actually make a block because the defense knew there was no threat that the HB would bounce the play back to that side or that this was actually a play-action pass to the QB. They see the quick toss and immediately crash inside. When the line can't beat a defense that so quickly knows exactly where the ball is going, the play fails.

From my perspective, you lose even more than that. As opposed to the QB and the RB meeting in the middle with the RB already having started his move and gaining momentum, the RB is delaying, waiting to secure the pitch. From a timing standpoint, it can't be more than a tiny fraction of a second difference in the timing, with a multiple of that lost in dorward momentum. We DID seem to run a toss tackle play that was perhaps at the 3 hole, but it wasn't different enough to matter.... and may have been simply an improvisation seeing the penetration.


(12-14-2020 03:37 PM)Pan95 Wrote:  I think that it is time to pull the plug on the Stanford offense. I understand the principle of a run first offense and how it benefits our defense. Truth be told, that is the philosophy that Bailiff had and it worked well under John Regan, Taylor McHargue, and Driphus Jackson. We can still utilize the full back, but the full back needs to be a verifiable pass catching threat. In the 2013 opener against A&M, the Rice offense generated over 500 yards with nearly 300 yards rushing. So far, this Stanford scheme is too predictable and easy to adjust to beyond the physicality.

I'm exactly with you here. I don't have a problem with the philosophy, but this coaching staff clearly isn't able to implement it, even for our level of competition. I didn't expect to win the conference this year, but a run-first offense with a HC who prides himself on the offensive line shouldn't have under 2 yards per carry in the last gave of the season or a single game with 7 sacks conceded. I haven't taken a look at the numbers, but I would be surprised if our per-game stats in conference play look substantially different than they did last year.

You can be a run first offense, but you need 3-4 guys who are a threat to run. We have no jet sweep to speak of, we have no 'toss sweep'... the QB rarely keeps on the zone read... we have little misdirection in there... zone read to a pass?? We're trying to box with people and everyone else is recruiting Ninjas.
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(12-14-2020 12:02 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  I don't think it's being anything but realistic to believe that, in 2021, Rice will go 1-3 non-conference against Arkansas, Houston, Texas and Texas Southern.

To get to 7-5, then, Rice must go 6-2 in conference. The current coaching staff, other than the defensive coordinator, gives me zero confidence that this is anything but a pipe dream.

(12-14-2020 03:47 PM)Rice Dad Wrote:  The answer really needs to be to get rid of Mack, hire a OC/QB coach with significant ties to Texas and some form of spread offense that Texas kids run.

I wish people would stop blaming the damn QBs! Anyone think UABs QB looked like something we would trade Jovani or Green for? When do you see our scheme running a receiver wide open? Watch a well-coached spread team flood a zone with receivers and force defenses to make decisions and then force them to "guess wrong".

Bloom's biggest problem is arrogance. Thinking he can out-smart everyone and run his NFL offense with a level of talent that is 2 and 3 stars isn't working. He's an o-line coach that has a leaky o-line. He's a first-time play caller and he cannot make adjustments once the defense adjusts. He needs to get a real OC, and take his hands COMPLETELY off the offense. Sucks for Mack, but those two are not getting it done, and we have not developed a QB at all!

UAB QB looked like he was throwing a javelin. I agree with this post
12-14-2020 10:06 PM
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(12-10-2020 11:47 PM)Ourland Wrote:  
(12-10-2020 04:31 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  
(12-09-2020 02:47 PM)Ourland Wrote:  If we win, I bet we play SMU in the Frisco Bowl.

That would be nice!

The Conference Board's "Bowl Prediction Tracker" thread currently shows the following predictions for the Frisco and New Mexico (also played in Frisco) Bowls, although the opponents are now set, as yesterday SMU and Houston accepted invitations to play in the Frisco and New Mexico Bowls, respectively.

Frisco Bowl (Dec. 19):
(SMU officially accepted invitation on December 10, 2020.)

UTSA:
• vs. Fresno State (Bleacher Report/Kerry Miller)
• vs. Houston (Bleacher Report/Jake Rill)
• vs. Houston (College Football News)
• vs. Houston (Last Word on Sports/Kevin McGuffey)
• vs. Nevada (The Sporting News/Bill Bender)
• vs. San Diego State (Bleacher Report /Joe Tansey)
• vs. SMU (24/7 Sports/Brad Crawford)
• vs. SMU (Yahoo! Sports!/Nick Bromberg)
• vs. Tulsa (ESPN/Kyle Bonagura)

Florida Atlantic:
• vs. Fresno State (College Sports Madness)
• vs. Nevada (USA Today/Erick Smith)

Charlotte
• vs. SMU (ESPN/Mark Schlabach)

UTEP:
• vs. SMU (Stadium/Brett McMurphy)

WKU:
• vs. Houston (The Athletic/Stewart Mandel)


New Mexico Bowl Dec. 24:
(Houston officially accepted invitation on December 10, 2020.)

UTSA:
• vs. Houston (USA Today/Erick Smith)
• vs. Nevada (Athlon/Steven Lassan)
• vs. Troy (CBS/Jerry Palm)

Louisiana Tech:
• vs. New Mexico (Bleacher Report/Kerry Miller)
• vs. San Jose State (College Sports Madness)

Why is the New Mexico Bowl being played in Frisco this year? Am I reading that right? If that's the case, we have a very good shot at either one. Either opponent is perfect


Frisco bowl cancelled after SMU withdrew due to COVID-19 issues:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...ource-says

UTSA to the First Responder Bowl.
12-15-2020 11:18 AM
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(12-13-2020 03:00 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Another former Name, Gus Malvahn, bites the dust.

I hope he's still available at this time next year.
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