(12-09-2020 01:13 PM)OptimisticCoach Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 12:56 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 11:19 AM)OptimisticCoach Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 10:56 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 10:43 AM)wylioats Wrote:  [/b]

Damn dude calm down, didn't mean to strike a nerve, just gave my opinion. I've seen Tulsa play a couple times on tv, good team but but not in Cincy's class, hell if it wasn't for the refs 2 horribly bad calls, ECU would have beaten you on your home field, and if I'm not mistaken, Tulsa was very lucky to beat Tulane. Like I said, Tulsa's a good team, but not in the same ballpark with Cincy. If by some chance, small as it may be, Tulsa wins the CCg, I'll be the first to admit that I was wrong. Now, feel better?

We also beat UCF by more than they did. And our defense basically allowed fewer points on full drives against SMU than they did. Just because They spanked some of the other teams in the conference doesn’t mean they’ll do it to us. That ECU game saw us missing a ton of defensive players and Zaven Collins was playing through a foot injury. We still pulled it out.

Tulane handily beat Memphis who was handily beaten by Cincy too.

Dude Cincinnati Only allowed SMU to pass for 219 passing yards and 75 rushing yards. The only reason you gave up less points is because they missed a field goal. If you think you'll beat Cincinnati by throwing pick 6's and Fumbling the ball you are in for a rude awakening. SMU held you to 28 points and SMU couldn't stop UC. You think your offense is going to be able to move against UC? SMU HELD YOU GUYS TO 28 POINTS! Look, If your team is so depleted after your first unit that ECU can score 30 on you guys you need to reevaluate some things. UC is going to wear you out and you will need your backups in, every team has had to do it, what do you think will happen?

It’s certainly going to be a low scoring affair. I have no notions that Tulsa will light up UC on offense, but I also don’t see UC moving the ball like they have against piss poor defenses like those of SMU / Memphis / UCF. I’m looking at the Navy games for a couple of the schools. Navy held Memphis to what 10 points? Tulsa scored 19 and should have had more but we had a touchdown called back for a phantom holding call. And that’s with our QB having what looked like his worst passing game of the year coming off a rib injury that kept him out in the Tulane game.

I don’t believe the teams are as far apart in terms of talent offensively or defensively as UC fans believe. UC has been very lucky to skip out on many injuries, and to have played at home for most of the season against teams with poor defenses. Tulsa hasn’t had quite the same luxury. We’ve had stops and starts. Mountains of injuries on both sides of the ball, and Tulane / Navy had better defenses than what UC saw. We still didn’t lose a game though.

Our offense certainly needs to improve to be able to beat you, but not by light years. My guess is a 21-17 type game.

Cincinnati hasn't missed out on many injuries. You just didn't notice it because there is almost no decline between the starter and the backup. There's a talent gap and it may not be with the starters but the backups is where you see the gap widen. I certainly believe UC lights up the score, not because Tulsa defense isn't any good but, because the Tulsa offense isn't very good and they will give UC plenty of opportunities to make this a not so close game.

Or perhaps you conviently didn't have to play those games where it would have really hurt, instead getting time to heal, to prep back ups in practice, change strategies and emphasis. You know, while avoiding certain dangerous games for you.

It again comes back to what is Cincy doing different than everyone else who didn't have to move so many games? Its Cincy who is benefiting from a situation that others also have and have done better at handling.

(12-09-2020 11:26 AM)wylioats Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 10:56 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 10:43 AM)wylioats Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 10:33 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 10:30 AM)wylioats Wrote:  All this decision means in canceling this game is, Tulsa will avoid being run roughshod over twice by Cincy. Cincy would handily win BOTH games regardless of where it's played. And for the record, moving Iowa State over Cincy in the CFP poll is nothing more than P5 bias. Watch the BIG change the 6 game rule to let Ohio State play in their CCG, therefore keeping them in line for the CFP. And also for the record, I am as far from being a Cincy fan as can be, I consider them one of our big rivals and have a great dislike for them, BUT, facts is facts, They're damn good. So go Cincy, carry the banner for our conference and finish undefeated. Come next year a big FU, see you in Memphis.

Why do we play the games at all? Big ole Cincinnati is too good for Tulsa. Pffft! I hope we punch them in the mouth. I want some of our front 7 to hit Cincy’s offense so hard that they go cryin to their mama’s.

Damn dude calm down, didn't mean to strike a nerve, just gave my opinion. I've seen Tulsa play a couple times on tv, good team but but not in Cincy's class, hell if it wasn't for the refs 2 horribly bad calls, ECU would have beaten you on your home field, and if I'm not mistaken, Tulsa was very lucky to beat Tulane. Like I said, Tulsa's a good team, but not in the same ballpark with Cincy. If by some chance, small as it may be, Tulsa wins the CCg, I'll be the first to admit that I was wrong. Now, feel better?

We also beat UCF by more than they did. And our defense basically allowed fewer points on full drives against SMU than they did. Just because They spanked some of the other teams in the conference doesn’t mean they’ll do it to us. That ECU game saw us missing a ton of defensive players and Zaven Collins was playing through a foot injury. We still pulled it out.

Tulane handily beat Memphis who was handily beaten by Cincy too.

Sensitive much? Damn! So what does that suppose to mean. Ok, comparing scores doesn't mean Tulsa's got a snow ball chance in hell of beating Cincy. Dude, you're taking this waaaay too serious and waaaay too personal. Do yourself a favor, calm down, take a deep breath and just be thankful you're in this conference and not left behind in the good ole CUSA. Now, feel better?

ECU was playing with third stringers on the offensive line that game but they whine about their injuries due to suppressed guilt feelings.

This Memphis fan has enjoyed this train wreck of a thread.

I hope Cincy wins by 30+. Salty Tulsa fans are entertaining.

Carry on kiddos.


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(12-09-2020 02:05 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 01:13 PM)OptimisticCoach Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 12:56 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 11:19 AM)OptimisticCoach Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 10:56 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  We also beat UCF by more than they did. And our defense basically allowed fewer points on full drives against SMU than they did. Just because They spanked some of the other teams in the conference doesn’t mean they’ll do it to us. That ECU game saw us missing a ton of defensive players and Zaven Collins was playing through a foot injury. We still pulled it out.

Tulane handily beat Memphis who was handily beaten by Cincy too.

Dude Cincinnati Only allowed SMU to pass for 219 passing yards and 75 rushing yards. The only reason you gave up less points is because they missed a field goal. If you think you'll beat Cincinnati by throwing pick 6's and Fumbling the ball you are in for a rude awakening. SMU held you to 28 points and SMU couldn't stop UC. You think your offense is going to be able to move against UC? SMU HELD YOU GUYS TO 28 POINTS! Look, If your team is so depleted after your first unit that ECU can score 30 on you guys you need to reevaluate some things. UC is going to wear you out and you will need your backups in, every team has had to do it, what do you think will happen?

It’s certainly going to be a low scoring affair. I have no notions that Tulsa will light up UC on offense, but I also don’t see UC moving the ball like they have against piss poor defenses like those of SMU / Memphis / UCF. I’m looking at the Navy games for a couple of the schools. Navy held Memphis to what 10 points? Tulsa scored 19 and should have had more but we had a touchdown called back for a phantom holding call. And that’s with our QB having what looked like his worst passing game of the year coming off a rib injury that kept him out in the Tulane game.

I don’t believe the teams are as far apart in terms of talent offensively or defensively as UC fans believe. UC has been very lucky to skip out on many injuries, and to have played at home for most of the season against teams with poor defenses. Tulsa hasn’t had quite the same luxury. We’ve had stops and starts. Mountains of injuries on both sides of the ball, and Tulane / Navy had better defenses than what UC saw. We still didn’t lose a game though.

Our offense certainly needs to improve to be able to beat you, but not by light years. My guess is a 21-17 type game.

Cincinnati hasn't missed out on many injuries. You just didn't notice it because there is almost no decline between the starter and the backup. There's a talent gap and it may not be with the starters but the backups is where you see the gap widen. I certainly believe UC lights up the score, not because Tulsa defense isn't any good but, because the Tulsa offense isn't very good and they will give UC plenty of opportunities to make this a not so close game.

Or perhaps you conviently didn't have to play those games where it would have really hurt, instead getting time to heal, to prep back ups in practice, change strategies and emphasis. You know, while avoiding certain dangerous games for you.

It again comes back to what is Cincy doing different than everyone else who didn't have to move so many games? Its Cincy who is benefiting from a situation that others also have and have done better at handling.

UCF, SMU, and Memphis were the only teams UC were worried about this year. Tulsa honestly was never on UCs radar, well at lest the fan's. We love your story and we believe you should be every bit as confident as you are but, Tulsa plays the same brand of football as UC but UC is better at it. It's ok, it happens sometimes.

(12-09-2020 12:56 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 11:19 AM)OptimisticCoach Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 10:56 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 10:43 AM)wylioats Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 10:33 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  Why do we play the games at all? Big ole Cincinnati is too good for Tulsa. Pffft! I hope we punch them in the mouth. I want some of our front 7 to hit Cincy’s offense so hard that they go cryin to their mama’s.

Damn dude calm down, didn't mean to strike a nerve, just gave my opinion. I've seen Tulsa play a couple times on tv, good team but but not in Cincy's class, hell if it wasn't for the refs 2 horribly bad calls, ECU would have beaten you on your home field, and if I'm not mistaken, Tulsa was very lucky to beat Tulane. Like I said, Tulsa's a good team, but not in the same ballpark with Cincy. If by some chance, small as it may be, Tulsa wins the CCg, I'll be the first to admit that I was wrong. Now, feel better?

We also beat UCF by more than they did. And our defense basically allowed fewer points on full drives against SMU than they did. Just because They spanked some of the other teams in the conference doesn’t mean they’ll do it to us. That ECU game saw us missing a ton of defensive players and Zaven Collins was playing through a foot injury. We still pulled it out.

Tulane handily beat Memphis who was handily beaten by Cincy too.

Dude Cincinnati Only allowed SMU to pass for 219 passing yards and 75 rushing yards. The only reason you gave up less points is because they missed a field goal. If you think you'll beat Cincinnati by throwing pick 6's and Fumbling the ball you are in for a rude awakening. SMU held you to 28 points and SMU couldn't stop UC. You think your offense is going to be able to move against UC? SMU HELD YOU GUYS TO 28 POINTS! Look, If your team is so depleted after your first unit that ECU can score 30 on you guys you need to reevaluate some things. UC is going to wear you out and you will need your backups in, every team has had to do it, what do you think will happen?

It’s certainly going to be a low scoring affair. I have no notions that Tulsa will light up UC on offense, but I also don’t see UC moving the ball like they have against piss poor defenses like those of SMU / Memphis / UCF. I’m looking at the Navy games for a couple of the schools. Navy held Memphis to what 10 points? Tulsa scored 19 and should have had more but we had a touchdown called back for a phantom holding call. And that’s with our QB having what looked like his worst passing game of the year coming off a rib injury that kept him out in the Tulane game.

I don’t believe the teams are as far apart in terms of talent offensively or defensively as UC fans believe. UC has been very lucky to skip out on many injuries, and to have played at home for most of the season against teams with poor defenses. Tulsa hasn’t had quite the same luxury. We’ve had stops and starts. Mountains of injuries on both sides of the ball, and Tulane / Navy had better defenses than what UC saw. We still didn’t lose a game though.

Our offense certainly needs to improve to be able to beat you, but not by light years. My guess is a 21-17 type game.

LMAO so now you can use a phantom holding call to your benefit when 3 sketchy calls on a single drive allowed you to squeak one out against ECU.

All of this added "context" is hilarious. I just hope you don't make these same garbage excuses when UC blows the doors off of Tulsa.

(12-09-2020 02:32 PM)ultraviolet Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 11:26 AM)wylioats Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 10:56 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 10:43 AM)wylioats Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 10:33 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  Why do we play the games at all? Big ole Cincinnati is too good for Tulsa. Pffft! I hope we punch them in the mouth. I want some of our front 7 to hit Cincy’s offense so hard that they go cryin to their mama’s.

Damn dude calm down, didn't mean to strike a nerve, just gave my opinion. I've seen Tulsa play a couple times on tv, good team but but not in Cincy's class, hell if it wasn't for the refs 2 horribly bad calls, ECU would have beaten you on your home field, and if I'm not mistaken, Tulsa was very lucky to beat Tulane. Like I said, Tulsa's a good team, but not in the same ballpark with Cincy. If by some chance, small as it may be, Tulsa wins the CCg, I'll be the first to admit that I was wrong. Now, feel better?

We also beat UCF by more than they did. And our defense basically allowed fewer points on full drives against SMU than they did. Just because They spanked some of the other teams in the conference doesn’t mean they’ll do it to us. That ECU game saw us missing a ton of defensive players and Zaven Collins was playing through a foot injury. We still pulled it out.

Tulane handily beat Memphis who was handily beaten by Cincy too.

Sensitive much? Damn! So what does that suppose to mean. Ok, comparing scores doesn't mean Tulsa's got a snow ball chance in hell of beating Cincy. Dude, you're taking this waaaay too serious and waaaay too personal. Do yourself a favor, calm down, take a deep breath and just be thankful you're in this conference and not left behind in the good ole CUSA. Now, feel better?

ECU was playing with third stringers on the offensive line that game but they whine about their injuries due to suppressed guilt feelings.

Guilt? We don't feel any guilt. We did nothing wrong. With as many times as we've been shafted by officiating in the league it was refreshing and miraculous that we actually had some calls go our way for once.

(12-09-2020 03:05 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 12:56 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 11:19 AM)OptimisticCoach Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 10:56 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 10:43 AM)wylioats Wrote:  [/b]

Damn dude calm down, didn't mean to strike a nerve, just gave my opinion. I've seen Tulsa play a couple times on tv, good team but but not in Cincy's class, hell if it wasn't for the refs 2 horribly bad calls, ECU would have beaten you on your home field, and if I'm not mistaken, Tulsa was very lucky to beat Tulane. Like I said, Tulsa's a good team, but not in the same ballpark with Cincy. If by some chance, small as it may be, Tulsa wins the CCg, I'll be the first to admit that I was wrong. Now, feel better?

We also beat UCF by more than they did. And our defense basically allowed fewer points on full drives against SMU than they did. Just because They spanked some of the other teams in the conference doesn’t mean they’ll do it to us. That ECU game saw us missing a ton of defensive players and Zaven Collins was playing through a foot injury. We still pulled it out.

Tulane handily beat Memphis who was handily beaten by Cincy too.

Dude Cincinnati Only allowed SMU to pass for 219 passing yards and 75 rushing yards. The only reason you gave up less points is because they missed a field goal. If you think you'll beat Cincinnati by throwing pick 6's and Fumbling the ball you are in for a rude awakening. SMU held you to 28 points and SMU couldn't stop UC. You think your offense is going to be able to move against UC? SMU HELD YOU GUYS TO 28 POINTS! Look, If your team is so depleted after your first unit that ECU can score 30 on you guys you need to reevaluate some things. UC is going to wear you out and you will need your backups in, every team has had to do it, what do you think will happen?

It’s certainly going to be a low scoring affair. I have no notions that Tulsa will light up UC on offense, but I also don’t see UC moving the ball like they have against piss poor defenses like those of SMU / Memphis / UCF. I’m looking at the Navy games for a couple of the schools. Navy held Memphis to what 10 points? Tulsa scored 19 and should have had more but we had a touchdown called back for a phantom holding call. And that’s with our QB having what looked like his worst passing game of the year coming off a rib injury that kept him out in the Tulane game.

I don’t believe the teams are as far apart in terms of talent offensively or defensively as UC fans believe. UC has been very lucky to skip out on many injuries, and to have played at home for most of the season against teams with poor defenses. Tulsa hasn’t had quite the same luxury. We’ve had stops and starts. Mountains of injuries on both sides of the ball, and Tulane / Navy had better defenses than what UC saw. We still didn’t lose a game though.

Our offense certainly needs to improve to be able to beat you, but not by light years. My guess is a 21-17 type game.

LMAO so now you can use a phantom holding call to your benefit when 3 sketchy calls on a single drive allowed you to squeak one out against ECU.

All of this added "context" is hilarious. I just hope you don't make these same garbage excuses when UC blows the doors off of Tulsa.

I’m just trying to explain to you. So you won’t be surprised and cry when you lose.

(12-09-2020 03:05 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 12:56 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 11:19 AM)OptimisticCoach Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 10:56 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 10:43 AM)wylioats Wrote:  [/b]

Damn dude calm down, didn't mean to strike a nerve, just gave my opinion. I've seen Tulsa play a couple times on tv, good team but but not in Cincy's class, hell if it wasn't for the refs 2 horribly bad calls, ECU would have beaten you on your home field, and if I'm not mistaken, Tulsa was very lucky to beat Tulane. Like I said, Tulsa's a good team, but not in the same ballpark with Cincy. If by some chance, small as it may be, Tulsa wins the CCg, I'll be the first to admit that I was wrong. Now, feel better?

We also beat UCF by more than they did. And our defense basically allowed fewer points on full drives against SMU than they did. Just because They spanked some of the other teams in the conference doesn’t mean they’ll do it to us. That ECU game saw us missing a ton of defensive players and Zaven Collins was playing through a foot injury. We still pulled it out.

Tulane handily beat Memphis who was handily beaten by Cincy too.

Dude Cincinnati Only allowed SMU to pass for 219 passing yards and 75 rushing yards. The only reason you gave up less points is because they missed a field goal. If you think you'll beat Cincinnati by throwing pick 6's and Fumbling the ball you are in for a rude awakening. SMU held you to 28 points and SMU couldn't stop UC. You think your offense is going to be able to move against UC? SMU HELD YOU GUYS TO 28 POINTS! Look, If your team is so depleted after your first unit that ECU can score 30 on you guys you need to reevaluate some things. UC is going to wear you out and you will need your backups in, every team has had to do it, what do you think will happen?

It’s certainly going to be a low scoring affair. I have no notions that Tulsa will light up UC on offense, but I also don’t see UC moving the ball like they have against piss poor defenses like those of SMU / Memphis / UCF. I’m looking at the Navy games for a couple of the schools. Navy held Memphis to what 10 points? Tulsa scored 19 and should have had more but we had a touchdown called back for a phantom holding call. And that’s with our QB having what looked like his worst passing game of the year coming off a rib injury that kept him out in the Tulane game.

I don’t believe the teams are as far apart in terms of talent offensively or defensively as UC fans believe. UC has been very lucky to skip out on many injuries, and to have played at home for most of the season against teams with poor defenses. Tulsa hasn’t had quite the same luxury. We’ve had stops and starts. Mountains of injuries on both sides of the ball, and Tulane / Navy had better defenses than what UC saw. We still didn’t lose a game though.

Our offense certainly needs to improve to be able to beat you, but not by light years. My guess is a 21-17 type game.

LMAO so now you can use a phantom holding call to your benefit when 3 sketchy calls on a single drive allowed you to squeak one out against ECU.

All of this added "context" is hilarious. I just hope you don't make these same garbage excuses when UC blows the doors off of Tulsa.

Context matters. I’m just trying to explain to you. So you won’t be surprised and cry when you lose.

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(12-09-2020 01:13 PM)OptimisticCoach Wrote:  Cincinnati hasn't missed out on many injuries. You just didn't notice it because there is almost no decline between the starter and the backup. There's a talent gap and it may not be with the starters but the backups is where you see the gap widen. I certainly believe UC lights up the score, not because Tulsa defense isn't any good but, because the Tulsa offense isn't very good and they will give UC plenty of opportunities to make this a not so close game.

I agree that Cincinnati probably has more depth and definitely has had a better season & has earned their Top 10 ranking. It’s a little ironic with this depth discussion that many Tulsa fans (including me) actually want our backup QB to start. I considered Brin our best QB in spring scrimmages & really wish he would play in Cincinnati. His much quicker release, quicker decision making & better running ability would be a big help against a very good Cincinnati defense. Unfortunately, short of another injury, Smith will start & play all game on the 19th.

(12-09-2020 07:58 PM)Tulsafans Wrote:  I agree that Cincinnati probably has more depth and definitely has had a better season & has earned their Top 10 ranking. It’s a little ironic with this depth discussion that many Tulsa fans (including me) actually want our backup QB to start. I considered Brin our best QB in spring scrimmages & really wish he would play in Cincinnati. His much quicker release, quicker decision making & better running ability would be a big help against a very good Cincinnati defense. Unfortunately, short of another injury, Smith will start & play all game on the 19th.

Considering this is a unique opportunity, I wonder if your coach has either a Plan B if the starter struggles or if he will mix in some situational plays for the backup QB? As we've seen with Desmond Ridder, he can drive a defense bonkers with his ability to use his legs to keep drives alive or to take the rock in for the score.

(12-09-2020 08:19 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 07:58 PM)Tulsafans Wrote:  I agree that Cincinnati probably has more depth and definitely has had a better season & has earned their Top 10 ranking. It’s a little ironic with this depth discussion that many Tulsa fans (including me) actually want our backup QB to start. I considered Brin our best QB in spring scrimmages & really wish he would play in Cincinnati. His much quicker release, quicker decision making & better running ability would be a big help against a very good Cincinnati defense. Unfortunately, short of another injury, Smith will start & play all game on the 19th.

Considering this is a unique opportunity, I wonder if your coach has either a Plan B if the starter struggles or if he will mix in some situational plays for the backup QB? As we've seen with Desmond Ridder, he can drive a defense bonkers with his ability to use his legs to keep drives alive or to take the rock in for the score.

I wish he had a plan B, but I doubt he does. I like Montgomery & I do give him credit for recruiting a lot of talent to Tulsa. However, his pattern of staying with upperclassmen even in the face of obvious problems has been his downfall in multiple games at Tulsa. Brin has the ability to beat a team by running or passing & would be a great change of pace. I would be thrilled & very surprised if he is given a chance in Cincinnati.