(12-03-2020 01:57 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: I suppose I should remind you, A G A I N, that Georgia has already done a hand recount and found no material discrepancies between the paper results and those counted on the Dominion machines.
Yes, we've already covered this.
We understand your talking point.
I guess facts, to liars, are talking points.
Don't even go there, man. Lying is second nature to the Demoncrapped. What a doofus. That's why I never listen to any Demoncrapped politician as I know what spew out of their cesspool of a mouth is a lie. Just ask Schiff how many lies he's thrown out there...for one?
There is no such thing as "run them through". Dominion ballot machines have no paper ballot. You are given a card after you prove who you are after waiting in line for an hour to vote. You then stand in another line with your card and when you finally get your turn to vote you walk to the machine, place your card into the side of the machine and make your selection. After completion of toyr votes you pull out the card and drop it in a bucket to be used again. No paper is involved. The recount basically proved the MACHINE says so many votes went to each candidate. Try to keep up. You don't know what your talking about. The machines can count votes any way you want it to be and they WERE online. How else do you think results come in so fast? I vote on a Dominion machine and there are wires everywhere.
(12-03-2020 02:31 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: There is no such thing as "run them through". Dominion ballot machines have no paper ballot. You are given a card after you prove who you are after waiting in line for an hour to vote. You then stand in another line with your card and when you finally get your turn to vote you walk to the machine, place your card into the side of the machine and make your selection. After completion of toyr votes you pull out the card and drop it in a bucket to be used again. No paper is involved. The recount basically proved the MACHINE says so many votes went to each candidate. Try to keep up. You don't know what your talking about. The machines can count votes any way you want it to be and they WERE online. How else do you think results come in so fast? I vote on a Dominion machine and there are wires everywhere.
You didn't vote in Georgia, did you?
Quote:Under the new contract, Georgia will phase out the touchscreen devices it has used for the past 17 years. Those direct-recording electronic machines, also known as DREs, do not produce paper trails, raising concerns about the state’s election security and the ability to audit vote totals. The new Dominion devices feature a touchscreen on which voters make their selections, and print out paper ballots to be tabulated.
The paper ballots were counted, they matched the machine totals. And no, the machines are NOT connected to the internet.
Quote:The way the machines work, as I understand it, is that a voter enters their choices and then the machine spits out a paper ballot. That ballot is then scanned in on a separate machine. That means there’s a paper record of every single vote which the voter can check before scanning it; those paper ballots are being counted right now in the hand recount. As you’ll see in the clip below, Georgia secretary of state Brad Raffensperger says that the difference they’ve found between the machine tabulations and the paper ballots is on the order of single digits in various counties.
Quote:"Georgia's historic first statewide audit reaffirmed that the state's new secure paper ballot voting system accurately counted and reported results," he said. "This is a credit to the hard work of our county and local elections officials who moved quickly to undertake and complete such a momentous task in a short period of time."
Raffensperger's office said in the statement that the highest error rate in any county recount was 0.73 percent. Most counties had no changes in their final tallies. The majority of the remaining counties had changes of fewer than 10 ballots
(12-03-2020 02:31 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: There is no such thing as "run them through". Dominion ballot machines have no paper ballot. You are given a card after you prove who you are after waiting in line for an hour to vote. You then stand in another line with your card and when you finally get your turn to vote you walk to the machine, place your card into the side of the machine and make your selection. After completion of toyr votes you pull out the card and drop it in a bucket to be used again. No paper is involved. The recount basically proved the MACHINE says so many votes went to each candidate. Try to keep up. You don't know what your talking about. The machines can count votes any way you want it to be and they WERE online. How else do you think results come in so fast? I vote on a Dominion machine and there are wires everywhere.
You didn't vote in Georgia, did you?
Quote:Under the new contract, Georgia will phase out the touchscreen devices it has used for the past 17 years. Those direct-recording electronic machines, also known as DREs, do not produce paper trails, raising concerns about the state’s election security and the ability to audit vote totals. The new Dominion devices feature a touchscreen on which voters make their selections, and print out paper ballots to be tabulated.
The paper ballots were counted, they matched the machine totals. And no, the machines are NOT connected to the internet.
Quote:The way the machines work, as I understand it, is that a voter enters their choices and then the machine spits out a paper ballot. That ballot is then scanned in on a separate machine. That means there’s a paper record of every single vote which the voter can check before scanning it; those paper ballots are being counted right now in the hand recount. As you’ll see in the clip below, Georgia secretary of state Brad Raffensperger says that the difference they’ve found between the machine tabulations and the paper ballots is on the order of single digits in various counties.
Quote:"Georgia's historic first statewide audit reaffirmed that the state's new secure paper ballot voting system accurately counted and reported results," he said. "This is a credit to the hard work of our county and local elections officials who moved quickly to undertake and complete such a momentous task in a short period of time."
Raffensperger's office said in the statement that the highest error rate in any county recount was 0.73 percent. Most counties had no changes in their final tallies. The majority of the remaining counties had changes of fewer than 10 ballots
Does the voter actually see his own printed paper ballot? If not, then there is no real check. A machine that used software to change the vote could just as easily be programmed to print out the same changed vote on paper. The below quote makes me think it might be printed out at another location where the voter would have to go to another station if the wish to verify their vote integrity.
Still, worries persist about Georgia’s new voting technology. Lee, the Georgia Tech professor, wrote in January that machine-marked ballots are not reliable because of the potential for machine errors and that most individual voters will not take the time to manually verify that the printed ballot matches their choices.
(This post was last modified: 12-03-2020 03:19 PM by Attackcoog.)
(12-03-2020 02:31 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: There is no such thing as "run them through". Dominion ballot machines have no paper ballot. You are given a card after you prove who you are after waiting in line for an hour to vote. You then stand in another line with your card and when you finally get your turn to vote you walk to the machine, place your card into the side of the machine and make your selection. After completion of toyr votes you pull out the card and drop it in a bucket to be used again. No paper is involved. The recount basically proved the MACHINE says so many votes went to each candidate. Try to keep up. You don't know what your talking about. The machines can count votes any way you want it to be and they WERE online. How else do you think results come in so fast? I vote on a Dominion machine and there are wires everywhere.
You didn't vote in Georgia, did you?
Quote:Under the new contract, Georgia will phase out the touchscreen devices it has used for the past 17 years. Those direct-recording electronic machines, also known as DREs, do not produce paper trails, raising concerns about the state’s election security and the ability to audit vote totals. The new Dominion devices feature a touchscreen on which voters make their selections, and print out paper ballots to be tabulated.
The paper ballots were counted, they matched the machine totals. And no, the machines are NOT connected to the internet.
Quote:The way the machines work, as I understand it, is that a voter enters their choices and then the machine spits out a paper ballot. That ballot is then scanned in on a separate machine. That means there’s a paper record of every single vote which the voter can check before scanning it; those paper ballots are being counted right now in the hand recount. As you’ll see in the clip below, Georgia secretary of state Brad Raffensperger says that the difference they’ve found between the machine tabulations and the paper ballots is on the order of single digits in various counties.
Quote:"Georgia's historic first statewide audit reaffirmed that the state's new secure paper ballot voting system accurately counted and reported results," he said. "This is a credit to the hard work of our county and local elections officials who moved quickly to undertake and complete such a momentous task in a short period of time."
Raffensperger's office said in the statement that the highest error rate in any county recount was 0.73 percent. Most counties had no changes in their final tallies. The majority of the remaining counties had changes of fewer than 10 ballots
Does the voter actually see his own printed paper ballot? If not, then there is no real check. A machine that used software to change the vote could just as easily be programmed to print out the same changed vote on paper. The below quote makes me think it might be printed out at another location where the voter would have to go to another station if the wish to verify their vote integrity.
Still, worries persist about Georgia’s new voting technology. Lee, the Georgia Tech professor, wrote in January that machine-marked ballots are not reliable because of the potential for machine errors and that most individual voters will not take the time to manually verify that the printed ballot matches their choices.
I believe they do. They take it to the vote counting machine and feed it in from what I understand. Just like I do in Michigan...except that I fill in the bubbles by hand on paper.
Confirmed here...
Quote:(ATLANTA)-On the first day of early voting in Georgia, voters around the state praised the new secure and verifiable paper ballot system. Georgia voters were particularly happy about the printed paper ballot, which many noted allowed them to verify their vote before submission. Additionally, the system gained wide praise for being easy to use, fast, and reliable.
And as a funny aside...I seem to remember some of the affidavits in Georgia claiming that the circles on the paper ballot were filled in to precisely, so they must be fraudulent.
Quote:the printout isn’t a record of what the voter did; it’s a record of what the machine did. The printout isn’t necessarily what the voter sees on-screen.
For those that say there is no evidence of fraud in Georgia, there is literally hours of testimony alleging fraud in a hearing being held in Georgia live on TV right now. People are free to say they dont like the evidence or dont think its significant--but the media claims that the presidents allegations of fraud are "without evidence" and "baseless" are at this point clearly false, baseless, and have no basis in reality. My guess is the media will soon be forced to move off of the "baseless/without evidence" claims and their argument will morph to "the evidence is insufficient to overturn thousands of votes". Personally, I'd argue that if these really are fake votes, then you arent "overturning" anything by disallowing them.
Unfortunately, I think it will come down to there just not being enough time to really dig into all these witness claims.
(This post was last modified: 12-03-2020 03:57 PM by Attackcoog.)
(12-03-2020 01:57 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: I suppose I should remind you, A G A I N, that Georgia has already done a hand recount and found no material discrepancies between the paper results and those counted on the Dominion machines.
Yes, we've already covered this.
We understand your talking point.
I guess facts, to liars, are talking points.
And talking points, to liars, are passed off as facts.
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