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RE: FCS NC or FBS Top 25?
(12-03-2020 10:34 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  “Upsets” by teams like Clemson, Pitt, Syracuse, GT, WF, UVA

Clearly our wins over Sam Houston, Elon and Weber St are far more glorious 01-wingedeagle

Putting upsets in quotes for situations where unranked teams beat a ranked team seems pretty ridiculous.

Additionally, show me where I compared VT losses to JMU playoff wins. 01-wingedeagle
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12-03-2020 11:06 AM
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(12-03-2020 08:55 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(12-03-2020 07:14 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  
(12-02-2020 02:09 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  I'm no Karen or Ken so I'll play....

The playoff road to an FCS NC is a ton of fun

The FBS teams we would be playing to get a top 25 ranking trumps the FCS playoffs. No to mention the money involved in being top 25.

Is it though? Other than games against NDSU and 1 game against Weber the last four playoff runs have had just as big of lopsided games as the regular season. I mean did UNI ever cross midfield?

i mean, really?

you didn't have fun watching us beat down undefeated and #1 ranked Sam Houston after all the smack they talked?

I'm pretty sure everyone i saw at the game and on these boards thoroughly enjoyed that.

instead of knocking the opponent all the time, maybe give our boys credit for being bad ass and opening a can on them Texas boys.

Sam Houston wasnt ranked #1 in the playoffs hence why they came to us and anyone that looked at their schedule knew they were paper tigers. Yea it was fun watching the beat down but my point was the level of competition isnt there and the gap seems to be growing wider between NDSU/JMU and the rest of the FCS
12-03-2020 11:20 AM
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(12-03-2020 09:14 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  
(12-03-2020 07:14 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  I mean did UNI ever cross midfield?

I didn't feel like that game was really in hand until we had the late 4th quarter score. A 10-0 lead against the #5 team in the nation, regardless of their offensive struggles, didn't exactly have me comfortable in my seat. I'd also make an argument that it was more of a defensive masterclass than it was UNI being sub-par competition.

Also, let's harken back to a team back in 2007 that was trailing 10-0 late in the first half that hadn't crossed midfield. Things can change in a hurry.

Once we went to a run every play offense I felt like the game was in hand and if needed we would open the playbook. The #5 team should be able to move the ball somewhat no matter the opponent
12-03-2020 11:24 AM
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(12-03-2020 10:34 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  “Upsets” by teams like Clemson, Pitt, Syracuse, GT, WF, UVA

Clearly our wins over Sam Houston, Elon and Weber St are far more glorious 01-wingedeagle

Yes. Our wins are better than anyone's losses. Any win is better than any loss. That's why teams generally try to win games.

Now, if you want to compare the pain of Tech losing to Pitt, Syracuse, GT, etc to the pain of our losses to ND State, Elon, etc, I could see that point.
12-03-2020 11:31 AM
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(12-03-2020 11:20 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  
(12-03-2020 08:55 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(12-03-2020 07:14 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  
(12-02-2020 02:09 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  I'm no Karen or Ken so I'll play....

The playoff road to an FCS NC is a ton of fun

The FBS teams we would be playing to get a top 25 ranking trumps the FCS playoffs. No to mention the money involved in being top 25.

Is it though? Other than games against NDSU and 1 game against Weber the last four playoff runs have had just as big of lopsided games as the regular season. I mean did UNI ever cross midfield?

i mean, really?

you didn't have fun watching us beat down undefeated and #1 ranked Sam Houston after all the smack they talked?

I'm pretty sure everyone i saw at the game and on these boards thoroughly enjoyed that.

instead of knocking the opponent all the time, maybe give our boys credit for being bad ass and opening a can on them Texas boys.

Sam Houston wasnt ranked #1 in the playoffs hence why they came to us and anyone that looked at their schedule knew they were paper tigers. Yea it was fun watching the beat down but my point was the level of competition isnt there and the gap seems to be growing wider between NDSU/JMU and the rest of the FCS

i mean, yea, that's maybe true. Bu I don't think the gap is as big as people think.

and can't you say the same at FBS? Alabama, Clemson and Ohio State appear to be far ahead of most other programs.

and the semi-finals in FBS playoffs have predominantly been blowouts.

should Oklahoma and Oregon and others drop down to FCS because they can't compete with those 3?

it's all cyclical. NDSU is having an amazing run. And we are too. Just like Bama, Clemson, Ohio State. But all 3 of those FBS programs have had their stretches where they were not the top dogs. That will happen to them again. It may happen to us and NDSU too.
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12-03-2020 11:32 AM
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(12-03-2020 09:25 AM)Madisonian Wrote:  Let’s all be honest here. We’ll all continue to travel to a mediocre weekend in Frisco because we root for Dukes. I’m not sure a bowl game in Montgomery AL is necessarily any more exciting, but it is different and would be a step in the right direction for JMU because it represents growth. We’d all be there rooting as well and that’s the strength of our fan base and just another item that should make us attractive as a move up.

After the entry debacle last year, I kinda gave up on wanting to go to TX for that game. It was demoralizing missing a huge chunk of the 1st quarter when I got in line to enter nearly an hour before kickoff.

But you’re right, I’d travel to Mobile or Montgomery or New Orleans or Boca for a bowl.
12-03-2020 11:33 AM
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(12-03-2020 11:05 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  
(12-03-2020 10:57 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(12-03-2020 10:47 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  Let's be honest folks, the time is coming where the P5 will split in some fashion and the G5 will be left behind. In my mind that will make FCS even more unappealing as it will most likely result in an actual Div. 1 G5 playoff. I have no doubt that this is coming and will be a reality in the next 5 years. The best case scenario is that the P5 won't completely shut the G5 out and will still schedule games against G5 schools and the occasional FCS school, but there is talk that conferences would play more conference games and that would lower the amount of non P5 conference games.

And god forbid Cincy somehow cracks the Top 4 this year as that will only speed up the above process.

it's already split. they will just formalize it.

the fact that Coastal can potentially go undefeated and be ranked in the top 15 and end up playing Buffalo in a bowl game is all the evidence you need.

but i believe when that happens, it'll be good news for us. Because we will be a part of that new G5. the split will force a massive realignment of G5 conferences and we will be a part of it.

Agree that it will probably end up being good for us in the long run. I wanted to make the point that arguing about the current format is useless as IMO it is not long for this world. Personally, I think the G5 should come to this reality on their own and work to get the best set up for themselves before the P5 just drops them and they have to scramble. I think a real playoff could be compelling and unlike the FCS would have some ability to negotiate for TV rights and money for schools. Certainly not going ot be the billions hte CFP generates but I think it can be a decent sum.

I'm sure Bourne has had these discussions with plenty of big wigs over the past couple years. When there is a P5/G5 split, JMU will go FBS/G5, I'd bet big money. Between COVID leading to long lasting budget issues leading to sports being cut, P5 paying players in next few years, and just years of conferences being duct taped together without geographic/travel cost considerations; "it is just a matter of when, not if"(stop me if you have heard that before). Lets just hold that last bit of remaining hope that this is sooner rather than later.
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In thinking about this a little further I would say that now may actually be the time for G5 to make their move as the amount of exposure that they have been given this year is at an all-time high. I have not looked at ratings, but I think people have been tuning in to a decent extent and it shows there is a market for these games. I would be going to ESPN and saying look we can generate eyeballs and have shown we are good football and explore with them what a G5 playoff could look like from a revenue perspective.
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(12-03-2020 11:32 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(12-03-2020 11:20 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  
(12-03-2020 08:55 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(12-03-2020 07:14 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  
(12-02-2020 02:09 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  I'm no Karen or Ken so I'll play....

The playoff road to an FCS NC is a ton of fun

The FBS teams we would be playing to get a top 25 ranking trumps the FCS playoffs. No to mention the money involved in being top 25.

Is it though? Other than games against NDSU and 1 game against Weber the last four playoff runs have had just as big of lopsided games as the regular season. I mean did UNI ever cross midfield?

i mean, really?

you didn't have fun watching us beat down undefeated and #1 ranked Sam Houston after all the smack they talked?

I'm pretty sure everyone i saw at the game and on these boards thoroughly enjoyed that.

instead of knocking the opponent all the time, maybe give our boys credit for being bad ass and opening a can on them Texas boys.

Sam Houston wasnt ranked #1 in the playoffs hence why they came to us and anyone that looked at their schedule knew they were paper tigers. Yea it was fun watching the beat down but my point was the level of competition isnt there and the gap seems to be growing wider between NDSU/JMU and the rest of the FCS

i mean, yea, that's maybe true. Bu I don't think the gap is as big as people think.

and can't you say the same at FBS? Alabama, Clemson and Ohio State appear to be far ahead of most other programs.

and the semi-finals in FBS playoffs have predominantly been blowouts.

should Oklahoma and Oregon and others drop down to FCS so they can compete with those 3?

it's all cyclical. NDSU is having an amazing run. And we are too. Just like Bama, Clemson, Ohio State. But all 3 of those FBS programs have had their stretches where they were not the top dogs. That will happen to them again. It may happen to us and NDSU too.

NDSU has won a NC 50% of the time in their entire FCS existence so thats going to be tough to change. With the amount of money thats pumped into those FBS programs you listed, it's almost impossible more than a year or two of down years. Look at LSU this year. The semifinals also tend to be blowouts recently because they've let teams in that realistically shouldnt have been in to avoid having 3/4 SEC teams in.

Bottom line though I'd rather play competition where some games can be viewed as a toss up as opposed to massive upsets if we lose
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(12-03-2020 11:45 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  In thinking about this a little further I would say that now may actually be the time for G5 to make their move as the amount of exposure that they have been given this year is at an all-time high. I have not looked at ratings, but I think people have been tuning in to a decent extent and it shows there is a market for these games. I would be going to ESPN and saying look we can generate eyeballs and have shown we are good football and explore with them what a G5 playoff could look like from a revenue perspective.

i have looked at ratings. they are not tuning in.
the ratings for games outside the P5 are miniscule in comparison, especially CUSA and Sun Belt which have the worst.

MACtion draws surprisingly well. That is the trade off they made. More money and eyeballs, but less of a game day experience.

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/
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FCS NC or FBS Top 25?
(12-03-2020 11:45 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  In thinking about this a little further I would say that now may actually be the time for G5 to make their move as the amount of exposure that they have been given this year is at an all-time high. I have not looked at ratings, but I think people have been tuning in to a decent extent and it shows there is a market for these games. I would be going to ESPN and saying look we can generate eyeballs and have shown we are good football and explore with them what a G5 playoff could look like from a revenue perspective.


On the generating eyeballs front, anyone bothered to look up the eyeballs on the JMU classic games on NBC Washington extra or whatever that’s called?

Might be interesting. Maybe.
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