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(12-09-2020 09:27 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(12-09-2020 09:15 PM)Miggy Wrote:  Your take is tantamount to Houston slowing the game down on purpose, missing shots and having the ball stolen from Houston players. Sampson’s decision to run the clock down toward the end of the was strategic, but such does not equate to him wanting Houston to either turn the ball over or miss shots as Houston did. Given your tunnel vision, not surprising you don’t get that concept. How good Houston is will be determined in post-season play. If you and others think Houston is a great team even though they shoot poorly, so be it.

your take is dumb... missing end of shot clock hailmaries is meaningless... yes sampson would have liked to makes those hailmaries , but that wasnt our regular offense, the goal wasnt scoring

not sure how familair you are with football...think of the air raid football (pass almost every down system)..when you are up huge in a football game, you run the ball every play in an attempt to kill clock(even if you are air raid).. if you are an air raid offense you hope those runs are successful but its meaningless to your regular offense. complaining that they couldn't run the ball is meaningless to what makes them successful, they were just killing clock

houston was up 20, waiting till there was 5 seconds on the shot clock and then forcing a shot.. they weren't running the offense

you takes are stupid ..lack any depth or nuance..
you talk about blinders and tunnel vision when that is you.. when everyone seen something but YOU it is you who have te blinders ...
you are always wrong...

but dont worry you take has already been locked in... you said houston has no chance to make the sweet 16 ..we'll see.. ill remind you

It’s understandable that you would try to explain away Houston scoring but 27-points against Texas Tech on 24 percent shooting (10-25 fga’s) in the second half.

Houston only hope or getting to the Sweet 16 is to draw a high seed and hope they draw weaker opponents.

If Houston faces a team in the caliber of a Michigan or Kentucky as they did the last three years Houston went to the NCAA tournament, they will likely lose again because they didn’t dominate the offensive glass as they did in conference play.

And if Houston doesn’t reach the final eight, such will show that there present ranking of 7th best team in the nation was just plain wrong.

Also, do not think this Houston team as good as those teams.

Houston committed six turnovers in 12 minutes playing Texas Tech. It’s not good that Houston’s players when pressured turned the ball over and were not good enough or not prepared sufficiently to avoid turning the ball over at such a high rate.

It also wasn’t good that Houston scored by 6-field goals in the second half. Texas Tech was not solely responsible for that. None of your excuses will explain those bad stats away.

My basic contention is that Houston is not worthy of presently being ranked 7th in the nation as it shoots poorly, and there are a plethora of teams in the nation that shoot far better than the 43.3 percent on two’s and 43.3 percent on three’s as Houston does. Those are pathetic percentages. Comparing Houston’s high rank to those percentages would lead one to think that the state of college bb is in dire straights. It’s not. Watching far better teams play on tv should make that readily apparent.
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lol 1st off texas tech is elite defensively, scoring 27 in a half vs them isnt a bad thing

texas tech is a top 10 defense nationally, no one has scored more than 53 on them this season not us

2) we were up 20 and obviously attempting to kill clock, if scoring morethan 27 was the goal we could have pushed the pace like the 1st half

3) you are moving the goal post like crazy..last week you said houston wasnt a good team in the conference, that houston isnt a top 25 team, and had no chance at all at a sweet 16....we all say we are going to remember, now you are saying houston will run through the conference, will get a high seed, likely make the sweet 16..but wont make the elite 8, which will prove they arent a good team... you are being ridiculous now ..good teams lose early in the tournament, it happens every year...

if houston runs through the conference, finishes top 10 ranked and only make it to the sweet 16, it would be a great elite year
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(12-09-2020 10:10 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  No ranking but a few thoughts (though very early):

* Houston seems to be considerably stronger than the other AAC teams

* Tulane and ECU seem improved

* Memphis needs major work

* This might be the first season the American has not offered a truly bad team. Lots of balance on paper.

Kind of going with this idea:

Houston: currently the best team by a bit.

SMU: 4-0 with one good win, so just ahead of the next tier

Cincy: tough loss to Xavier, good win, still need some work, but positive outlook
Memphis: tough run, back to winning, clearly issues, talented though
Tulsa: missed opportunities, need some work, still up in the air

USF: Meh, doing about what we expected, need more consistency
UCF: pleasant surprise with some injury issues
WSU: not what we expected before Marshall's exit, so far not terrible, some problems that could be corrected.

ECU: just win baby.
Tulane: just win baby.

Temple~ Unknown

Houston is the dominant looking team right now. Some work to do, but If everyone does what they are supposed to, it's probably a three bid league. If we can get some "upsets" in ooc five bids is still possible, but four more likely.

The bottom is doing what its suppose to, beating teams and beefing up its record. Neither Tulane or ECU should be an anchor and I expect them to win out. WSU will be respectable and UCF is showing some signs, but both Florida schools should be much tougher with their PGs at full strength. Tulsa and Memphis need to get back to winning and get some ooc opponents to perform well. Cincy and SMU look capable

Not a lot of difference between the two groups of three, Cincy could move up to that SMU level just need more games to show they belong.

Still some teetering and tottering as a conference, need wins.
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The AAC's best season, to date, was 2018-19.

The conference's rankings dropped last season, and all indications are that they will drop again this season.

There are only 5 AAC teams in the top 100 ranked teams, currently.
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Miggy is as wrong about Houston this year as he was temple last year.
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(12-10-2020 08:07 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Miggy is as wrong about Houston this year as he was temple last year.

There’s a big difference between making pre-season predictions when you haven’t seen incoming freshmen and transfers play nor the growth of returning players, then when making predictions after you see them play. The former is a virtual crap-shoot, and is engaged in to have fun.

Still believe to this day I got Temple wrong because I placed my belief in Temple’s new coach. And even then, I picked Temple with some reservations that unfortunately proved true.

With regard to Houston, I think they’re really good and one of the AAC ‘s best teams, if not the best, but Houston is not the nation’s 7th best team. As Houston is not a good shooting team, but wins games because of it’s ability to control the offensive glass.

When Houston faces teams in the NCAA tournament who can both defensively rebound the ball and shoot far better than Houston does, Houston will not likely win.
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ECU will be looking for a 5-0 start tonight!

North Florida has played a really tough schedule to date.

They are 0-6... but they really only have 1 "bad" loss (double digit loss to EKU). Blowout losses at NC State, Florida State, and Miami.

They just lost to FAU by 2. So, they're not pushovers. We'll see.
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People are looking at teams in vacuums ... There are very few teams that have looked really good this year. Gonzaga ... Baylor .. most of the rest all have had bad games so far.
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(12-10-2020 10:51 AM)Miggy Wrote:  
(12-10-2020 08:07 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Miggy is as wrong about Houston this year as he was temple last year.

There’s a big difference between making pre-season predictions when you haven’t seen incoming freshmen and transfers play nor the growth of returning players, then when making predictions after you see them play. The former is a virtual crap-shoot, and is engaged in to have fun.

Still believe to this day I got Temple wrong because I placed my belief in Temple’s new coach. And even then, I picked Temple with some reservations that unfortunately proved true.

With regard to Houston, I think they’re really good and one of the AAC ‘s best teams, if not the best, but Houston is not the nation’s 7th best team. As Houston is not a good shooting team, but wins games because of it’s ability to control the offensive glass.

When Houston faces teams in the NCAA tournament who can both defensively rebound the ball and shoot far better than Houston does, Houston will not likely win.

houston vs south carolina
houston 37 rebounds 12 offensive rebounds---south carolina 37 rebounds 12 offensive rebounds

Houston did not outrebound south carolina..south carolina was a preseason top 70 team

houston without its head coach (kelvin), #2 coac (kellen), preseason player of the year (mills), leading scorer (sasser), starting pg barely playing from bad foul trouble (dejon)

beat south carolina by double digits
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(12-10-2020 10:56 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  ECU will be looking for a 5-0 start tonight!

North Florida has played a really tough schedule to date.

They are 0-6... but they really only have 1 "bad" loss (double digit loss to EKU). Blowout losses at NC State, Florida State, and Miami.

They just lost to FAU by 2. So, they're not pushovers. We'll see.

They're a projected sub 300 kenpom team. ECU should beat them (needs to beat them). It's awesome seeing ECU beat a couple roughly 200 kenpom type teams (Charlotte, UNCW) instead of losing to them. ECU has a top 125-150 team is great for the conference.
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(12-10-2020 11:20 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  People are looking at teams in vacuums ... There are very few teams that have looked really good this year. Gonzaga ... Baylor .. most of the rest all have had bad games so far.

i was even going to say that but just got over miggy's nonsense.. he has said that houston is hasnt looked like a top 7 team..

who below us has looked better???... Gonzaga, Baylor and Iowa are the only 3 teams you can even say for sure have looked better than houston ...
who are the teams that he is saying are better than houston that should be ranked above us..

#5 kansas struggled to beat mid major ndsu, and a bad kentucky team
#6 Illinois was blown out by gonzaga, and struggled to beat ohio from the mac

#8 creighton has a loss to Kansas and no notable wins
#9 vill needed a big comeback to beat unranked BC and lost to unranked VT
#10 duke has 2 losses and only beat coppin state by 10

houston has 2 wins vs NIT/low seed NCAA Tourney teams (Boise and South Carolina).. and a 1 win vs a high seed tourney team (Texas tech)

All were comfortable win.. all were with extremely limited or no minutes from Houston's "best" player
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(12-10-2020 11:29 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(12-10-2020 10:51 AM)Miggy Wrote:  
(12-10-2020 08:07 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Miggy is as wrong about Houston this year as he was temple last year.

There’s a big difference between making pre-season predictions when you haven’t seen incoming freshmen and transfers play nor the growth of returning players, then when making predictions after you see them play. The former is a virtual crap-shoot, and is engaged in to have fun.

Still believe to this day I got Temple wrong because I placed my belief in Temple’s new coach. And even then, I picked Temple with some reservations that unfortunately proved true.

With regard to Houston, I think they’re really good and one of the AAC ‘s best teams, if not the best, but Houston is not the nation’s 7th best team. As Houston is not a good shooting team, but wins games because of it’s ability to control the offensive glass.

When Houston faces teams in the NCAA tournament who can both defensively rebound the ball and shoot far better than Houston does, Houston will not likely win.

houston vs south carolina
houston 37 rebounds 12 offensive rebounds---south carolina 37 rebounds 12 offensive rebounds

Houston did not outrebound south carolina..south carolina was a preseason top 70 team

houston without its head coach (kelvin), #2 coac (kellen), preseason player of the year (mills), leading scorer (sasser), starting pg barely playing from bad foul trouble (dejon)

beat south carolina by double digits

Im talking about Houston going to lose to top 30 teams. South Carolina is not going to be in the NCAA tournament team. It was 1-1 playing at Houston. It had been beaten by Liberty that is ranked 118th in the nation. USC suffers from problems not related to rebounding. As USC is a high turnover and fouling team. Got beat by Houston on turnovers and at the foul-line.
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It really is remarkable all the excuses Miggy has for Houston's success. He says Houston beat USC by turnovers and free throws...o.k. I mean those things are really important. Great teams win a lot of different ways.
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Miggy keeps moving the goal post. It was just once we met someone who could out rebound us and had a higher shooting percentage.

Now it is top 30, can out rebound us, has a higher percentage shooting, doesn't turn the ball over much, and doesn't foul much.

Wow, I think he has discovered our kryptonite...or anyone else's that faces the same team. He's really on to something.
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[quote='Coog82' pid='17149039' dateline='1607621357']
Miggy keeps moving the goal post. It was just once we met someone who could out rebound us and had a higher shooting percentage.

Now it is top 30, can out rebound us, has a higher percentage shooting, doesn't turn the ball over much, and doesn't foul much.

Wow, I think he has discovered our kryptonite...or anyone else's that faces the same team. He's really on to something.
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I wrote that good teams will not lose the offensive rebound and turnover battle to Houston, and will shoot far better than Houston. Houston hasn’t faced a team like that so far this season. If you think Houston being such an underwater shooting team deserves to be ranked 7th in the nation, so be it. Seems like there are far better teams outside the AAC than Houston is. Within the AAC, Houston may have a difficult time facing both SMU if Anei plays) and Cincinnati as well.
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Houston is a lot better than UC LOL.
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(12-10-2020 11:37 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(12-10-2020 10:56 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  ECU will be looking for a 5-0 start tonight!

North Florida has played a really tough schedule to date.

They are 0-6... but they really only have 1 "bad" loss (double digit loss to EKU). Blowout losses at NC State, Florida State, and Miami.

They just lost to FAU by 2. So, they're not pushovers. We'll see.

They're a projected sub 300 kenpom team. ECU should beat them (needs to beat them). It's awesome seeing ECU beat a couple roughly 200 kenpom type teams (Charlotte, UNCW) instead of losing to them. ECU has a top 125-150 team is great for the conference.

There's no good reason ECU shouldn't be much improved this year. In an off season that really hurt teams bringing in a bunch of new guys we returned 11 players including a guy who at worst is in the discussion for best player in the entire league. If we were struggling bad it would be a damning indictment of Dooley and his ability to do anything here.
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(12-10-2020 03:49 PM)Miggy Wrote:  [quote='Coog82' pid='17149039' dateline='1607621357']
Miggy keeps moving the goal post. It was just once we met someone who could out rebound us and had a higher shooting percentage.

Now it is top 30, can out rebound us, has a higher percentage shooting, doesn't turn the ball over much, and doesn't foul much.

Wow, I think he has discovered our kryptonite...or anyone else's that faces the same team. He's really on to something.
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I wrote that good teams will not lose the offensive rebound and turnover battle to Houston, and will shoot far better than Houston. Houston hasn’t faced a team like that so far this season. If you think Houston being such an underwater shooting team deserves to be ranked 7th in the nation, so be it. Seems like there are far better teams outside the AAC than Houston is. Within the AAC, Houston may have a difficult time facing both SMU if Anei plays) and Cincinnati as well.

Just curious, where do you think they should be ranked?
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If ECU doesn't beat North Florida, it should be kicked out of the league by 8:30 tomorrow morning. It's embarrassing what a horrendous OOC schedule you guys have had over the last number of years and then unceremoniously lose to the flotsam and jetsam of FCS or Division II or whatever else those kinds of schools are called these days.
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(12-10-2020 07:05 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  If ECU doesn't beat North Florida, it should be kicked out of the league by 8:30 tomorrow morning. It's embarrassing what a horrendous OOC schedule you guys have had over the last number of years and then unceremoniously lose to the flotsam and jetsam of FCS or Division II or whatever else those kinds of schools are called these days.

The criticism is justified IMO. We should have lost today. It was not an impressive win. Game was tied with a minute to go. Team looked lethargic. I'm sure Dooley was not pleased with some of the bad shots today.
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