After BYU’s loss last night, the G5 Access Bowl is Cincinnati’s to lose. Unlike Tulsa, Louisiana and Coastal Carolina, the Bearcats have the brand and history as a power program when they were in the Big East to be the G5 rep.

(12-06-2020 01:06 AM)Crayton Wrote:  After this week:
1) Cincinnati if undefeated
2) Coastal if undefeated
3) Cincinnati-Tulsa winner, if Tulsa wins Game #1
4) Louisiana or Coastal with 1 loss
Don't think Marshall can pass Coastal, even if the Chanticleers flub against Troy.

1) Cincinnati if undefeated
2) Coastal if undefeated
3) Louisiana - 1 loss
4) Cincinnati / Tulsa - 1 loss


So these are the 4 teams, with the undefeated versions being easy. However, all the 1-lost options are hard to figure out right now. The committee has not been easy to figure out after getting past the obvious undefeated.

In theory Coastal could be the highest ranked team going into the Champ game if Cincinnati loses part 1 to Tulsa. Who know how far the committee drops them. Louisiana would then have the highest win for the Champ game. plus does Iowa St, end up winning the Big 12? Its all guesses at this point.

(12-06-2020 11:03 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(12-06-2020 10:49 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-06-2020 10:42 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(12-06-2020 10:25 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  1. Cincinnati
2. Coastal Carolina
3. Tulsa
4. Louisiana
5. San Jose St

I think we can strike any MW team off the list this year. It’s between the SB champ and AAC champ. SJSU even if it gets ranked won’t be in position cause the SB champ game next week will have to higher rank teams playing.

Possibly, but SJSU finishes off with Nevada and then Boise for the ccg, so they will have two strong opponents to finish with.
I wouldn't discount SJSU. But it would take Tulsa losing the first and winning the 2nd vs. Cincinnati as well as ULL winning.

But I think ULL will be ranked between #20 to #17 so they will still be ahead of a ranked SJSU which most likely will be at #25. Then ULL beating CCU will vault them even higher which the MW out regardless.

(12-06-2020 11:14 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  After BYU’s loss last night, the G5 Access Bowl is Cincinnati’s to lose. Unlike Tulsa, Louisiana and Coastal Carolina, the Bearcats have the brand and history as a power program when they were in the Big East to be the G5 rep.

Are you thinking BYU was eligible for the Access spot? They are not eligible because it goes to the G5 Conference Champion. BYU was only eligible for an at-large spot which they would not likely have gotten anyway.

As of right now, Coastal should be ranked ahead of Cincy.

(12-06-2020 12:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  As of right now, Coastal should be ranked ahead of Cincy.

Perhaps both can get bids? Cincinnati to either CFP or NY6, and Coastal as a NY6 at large? Would like to see it.

1. Cincinnati
2. Coastal (secures a bid provided they win out and UC loses to Tulsa)
3. Tulsa (consecutive wins over #7 Cincinnati a lot better than beating BYU or anyone esle one time)
4. Louisiana

Don't see anyone else realistically in the hunt. Marshall out. Don't have strength of schedule. San Jose and Buffalo haven't played enough games.

(12-07-2020 03:05 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(12-06-2020 12:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  As of right now, Coastal should be ranked ahead of Cincy.

Perhaps both can get bids? Cincinnati to either CFP or NY6, and Coastal as a NY6 at large? Would like to see it.

Both in the NY6 would not bother me at all. And I would rather them not play each other, but instead face traditional powers so they can play good P5 teams.

(12-07-2020 03:08 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  1. Cincinnati
2. Coastal (secures a bid provided they win out and UC loses to Tulsa)
3. Tulsa (consecutive wins over #7 Cincinnati a lot better than beating BYU or anyone esle one time)
4. Louisiana

Don't see anyone else realistically in the hunt. Marshall out. Don't have strength of schedule. San Jose and Buffalo haven't played enough games.

You're probably right.

To still have 7 non-P5 teams in the top 25, despite both BYU and Marshall losing a game, is quite an accomplishment.

One of the many records that have been set this season is that, for a week or two, there were actually four non-P5 teams in the AP Top 15.

That was really remarkable!

https://theathletic.com/1430487/2019/12/...-six-race/

Does anyone have a subscription to the Athletic to tell us what the supposed "double standard" Mike Aresco is talking about it. I'd love to hear this one as the AAC arguably gets lots of deference the other G5 leagues don't.

(12-08-2020 08:03 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  https://theathletic.com/1430487/2019/12/...-six-race/

Does anyone have a subscription to the Athletic to tell us what the supposed "double standard" Mike Aresco is talking about it. I'd love to hear this one as the AAC arguably gets lots of deference the other G5 leagues don't.

First of all Aresco's job is to advocate for the AAC, not the Sunbelt or whatever conference Georgia Southern is in (not sure if it is SBC or CUSA, its all the same to me). Its your commissioner's job to advocate for your school's league.

This is an article from 2019, not this year. What Aresco said in that article was the winner of the AAC CCG belonged in the NY6 due to the strength of the AAC over the other G5s that year, and the fact the league had scheduled tougher OOC.

(12-08-2020 08:51 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 08:03 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  https://theathletic.com/1430487/2019/12/...-six-race/

Does anyone have a subscription to the Athletic to tell us what the supposed "double standard" Mike Aresco is talking about it. I'd love to hear this one as the AAC arguably gets lots of deference the other G5 leagues don't.

First of all Aresco's job is to advocate for the AAC, not the Sunbelt or whatever conference Georgia Southern is in (not sure if it is SBC or CUSA, its all the same to me). Its your commissioner's job to advocate for your school's league.

This is an article from 2019, not this year. What Aresco said in that article was the winner of the AAC CCG belonged in the NY6 due to the strength of the AAC over the other G5s that year, and the fact the league had scheduled tougher OOC.

U'mad, bro?

I know it's Aresco's job to try and sell the idea AAC has more in common with the P5 than the rest of the G5, I just wanted to know what in what way he thinks the media is being mean to the poor ole AAC. Should be a hoot.

(12-08-2020 09:41 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 08:51 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 08:03 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  https://theathletic.com/1430487/2019/12/...-six-race/

Does anyone have a subscription to the Athletic to tell us what the supposed "double standard" Mike Aresco is talking about it. I'd love to hear this one as the AAC arguably gets lots of deference the other G5 leagues don't.

First of all Aresco's job is to advocate for the AAC, not the Sunbelt or whatever conference Georgia Southern is in (not sure if it is SBC or CUSA, its all the same to me). Its your commissioner's job to advocate for your school's league.

This is an article from 2019, not this year. What Aresco said in that article was the winner of the AAC CCG belonged in the NY6 due to the strength of the AAC over the other G5s that year, and the fact the league had scheduled tougher OOC.

U'mad, bro?

I know it's Aresco's job to try and sell the idea AAC has more in common with the P5 than the rest of the G5, I just wanted to know what in what way he thinks the media is being mean to the poor ole AAC. Should be a hoot.

I'm not mad at all. You were the one getting all hot bothered because Aresco was arguing the winner of the 2019 AAC CCG deserved a NY6 Bowl.

Again, as has been mentioned before many times on this forum the P6 Campaign was not to say the AAC was equal to the P5; it was to say based on brand strengths, budgets, history, results on/off the field, the AAC was ahead of the SBC, CUSA, MAC and MWC.

(12-08-2020 09:41 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 08:51 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 08:03 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  https://theathletic.com/1430487/2019/12/...-six-race/

Does anyone have a subscription to the Athletic to tell us what the supposed "double standard" Mike Aresco is talking about it. I'd love to hear this one as the AAC arguably gets lots of deference the other G5 leagues don't.

First of all Aresco's job is to advocate for the AAC, not the Sunbelt or whatever conference Georgia Southern is in (not sure if it is SBC or CUSA, its all the same to me). Its your commissioner's job to advocate for your school's league.

This is an article from 2019, not this year. What Aresco said in that article was the winner of the AAC CCG belonged in the NY6 due to the strength of the AAC over the other G5s that year, and the fact the league had scheduled tougher OOC.

U'mad, bro?

I know it's Aresco's job to try and sell the idea AAC has more in common with the P5 than the rest of the G5, I just wanted to know what in what way he thinks the media is being mean to the poor ole AAC. Should be a hoot.

I don't have access to the article either, but I imagine Aresco is complaining about how the AAC best teams aren't given enough respect in the media as compared to the top P5 teams. Bias rooted in history, tradition, past performance, brand value, etc. And yes, that bias does surely exist.

The irony is, the AAC does benefit from that same kind of bias vis-a-vis other G5 leagues. Cincy and Coastal have very similar resumes, but Cincy is way ahead of Coastal in the rankings, a lock for the NY6 spot if they win out, and even in the playoff conversation, while Coastal is ...... not.

Before the BYU/CCU game: Cincy or BYU are the best non-P5 program in the country
After CCU beats BYU (on the score board and in the trenches): Cincy passes the "eye test"

CCU isn't dodging a conference opponent the week before the championship game either.

(12-10-2020 09:44 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Before the BYU/CCU game: Cincy or BYU are the best non-P5 program in the country
After CCU beats BYU (on the score board and in the trenches): Cincy passes the "eye test"

CCU isn't dodging a conference opponent the week before the championship game either.

It really is a wonder as to why the CFP and polls have Cincy so far ahead of CC. Coastal has played and won two more games. They have two wins versus top-20 teams, Cincy has none. And as you say, Cincy hasn't even played since before Thanksgiving.

You talk about some kind of 'bias' at work ...

Coastal ahead of UGA/UF/OU in the AP, behind them in the Coaches; they need to be ahead of just 1 in the CFP by the end of next week to snag an at-large bid. And BYU (no, not a G5 champ) is right behind that set of teams in the AP, and behind still UNC and Northwestern in the Coaches. If they pick up another game (ie. a chance to wow the committee) they've got a chance.

Top 12 get NY6 bids
Pac 12 being outside of top 12 means top 11 get NY6 bids
UNC possibly getting Orange Bowl means top 10 get NY6 bid

Right now Costal is #13.
Miami lost so Coastal should be #12
Florida lost so Coastal should be #11
If Florida is ahead of Coastal, Bama should finish the job
Iowa St. Oklahoma loser should fall below Coastal.

If Coastal wins they should be in the top 10 and thus get NY6 bid

If both Coastal and Cincy win, I think they both deserve an NY6 spot, one as the guaranteed G5, the other as an at-large. The fourth-place SEC team or whatever can play in the Citrus Bowl.

Not that the CFP is going to listen to me, LOL ...

Just to clear this up, if a G5 team makes the CFP, the G5 NY6 slot disappears for that season. Theoretically, another G5 could get an at large, but not a guaranteed slot.

And of course, the G5 is never going to make the CFP, anyway.