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It doesn’t make a difference but doesn’t Miami have a better conference record than UNC? It would appear they’d still get the Orange slot. Nightmare scenario is Clemson losing and both of them falling out. I don’t see Fla getting into a NY6 with back to back losses.
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(12-14-2020 06:12 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  It doesn’t make a difference but doesn’t Miami have a better conference record than UNC? It would appear they’d still get the Orange slot. Nightmare scenario is Clemson losing and both of them falling out. I don’t see Fla getting into a NY6 with back to back losses.

The ACC deal with the Orange Bowl says that in years when the OB is not a playoff game, the bid goes to the ACC champion or if the champ is in the playoffs then the "highest ranked ACC team not in the CFP playoffs" in to the game. So if Miami is ranked higher in the CFP then UNC (won't happen but if), Miami would go to the Orange Bowl game even if UNC is higher in the ACC standings. If the champ is in the CFP, it is the CFP rankings that prevail for the Orange Bowl bid, not the conference standings.
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(12-14-2020 01:06 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  If both Coastal and Cincy win, I think they both deserve an NY6 spot, one as the guaranteed G5, the other as an at-large. The fourth-place SEC team or whatever can play in the Citrus Bowl.

Not that the CFP is going to listen to me, LOL ...

I don't want to see them play each other. Rather see them play one of the P5 schools. For that reason I hope Coastal Carolina misses out. I suspect they will try to pair them as they did Boise-TCU. And the bowls won't be hurt by lower attendance because of the restrictions.
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(12-14-2020 10:29 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-14-2020 01:06 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  If both Coastal and Cincy win, I think they both deserve an NY6 spot, one as the guaranteed G5, the other as an at-large. The fourth-place SEC team or whatever can play in the Citrus Bowl.

Not that the CFP is going to listen to me, LOL ...

I don't want to see them play each other. Rather see them play one of the P5 schools. For that reason I hope Coastal Carolina misses out. I suspect they will try to pair them as they did Boise-TCU. And the bowls won't be hurt by lower attendance because of the restrictions.

I agree that if both Coastal and Cincy make the NY6, it will be better if they do not play each other. I too would rather seem them each play P5 teams.
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My hope is this:

Cincy and Coastal both win their league title games and are both invited to NY6 bowl games (and I feel both would be deserving). However, I do not want the two paired against each other as I want to see both play (and beat) P5 programs.

Where this could be get tricky for me personally is if Indiana and/or North Carolina make NY6 bowl games. If either played CCU, for example, I would root for the Heels or Hoosiers (which would be unfortunate in a way in that I like to pull for the "little man" in most instances).
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(12-14-2020 10:29 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-14-2020 01:06 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  If both Coastal and Cincy win, I think they both deserve an NY6 spot, one as the guaranteed G5, the other as an at-large. The fourth-place SEC team or whatever can play in the Citrus Bowl.

Not that the CFP is going to listen to me, LOL ...

I don't want to see them play each other. Rather see them play one of the P5 schools. For that reason I hope Coastal Carolina misses out. I suspect they will try to pair them as they did Boise-TCU. And the bowls won't be hurt by lower attendance because of the restrictions.
They will be paired together. There is the unofficial rule that each access NY6 bowl takes a turn with the G5. This year its the Peach, next year is the Fiesta, and the 3rd year is the Cotton. If there are 2 G5s the Peach will get both of them.
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(12-14-2020 11:22 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(12-14-2020 10:29 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-14-2020 01:06 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  If both Coastal and Cincy win, I think they both deserve an NY6 spot, one as the guaranteed G5, the other as an at-large. The fourth-place SEC team or whatever can play in the Citrus Bowl.

Not that the CFP is going to listen to me, LOL ...

I don't want to see them play each other. Rather see them play one of the P5 schools. For that reason I hope Coastal Carolina misses out. I suspect they will try to pair them as they did Boise-TCU. And the bowls won't be hurt by lower attendance because of the restrictions.
They will be paired together. There is the unofficial rule that each access NY6 bowl takes a turn with the G5. This year its the Peach, next year is the Fiesta, and the 3rd year is the Cotton. If there are 2 G5s the Peach will get both of them.

I think it is less "unofficial rule" and more order of selection.
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(12-14-2020 11:32 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  
(12-14-2020 11:22 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(12-14-2020 10:29 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-14-2020 01:06 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  If both Coastal and Cincy win, I think they both deserve an NY6 spot, one as the guaranteed G5, the other as an at-large. The fourth-place SEC team or whatever can play in the Citrus Bowl.

Not that the CFP is going to listen to me, LOL ...

I don't want to see them play each other. Rather see them play one of the P5 schools. For that reason I hope Coastal Carolina misses out. I suspect they will try to pair them as they did Boise-TCU. And the bowls won't be hurt by lower attendance because of the restrictions.
They will be paired together. There is the unofficial rule that each access NY6 bowl takes a turn with the G5. This year its the Peach, next year is the Fiesta, and the 3rd year is the Cotton. If there are 2 G5s the Peach will get both of them.

I think it is less "unofficial rule" and more order of selection.

The Cotton Bowl has to take them the 3rd year as they are the only access bowl that year.

The 1st and 2nd year can either be Peach or Fiesta, but unless the MWC champ is the G5 representative in year #1 it will 99.9% be Peach Bowl Year 1, Fiesta Bowl Year 2
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(12-14-2020 11:22 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(12-14-2020 10:29 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-14-2020 01:06 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  If both Coastal and Cincy win, I think they both deserve an NY6 spot, one as the guaranteed G5, the other as an at-large. The fourth-place SEC team or whatever can play in the Citrus Bowl.

Not that the CFP is going to listen to me, LOL ...

I don't want to see them play each other. Rather see them play one of the P5 schools. For that reason I hope Coastal Carolina misses out. I suspect they will try to pair them as they did Boise-TCU. And the bowls won't be hurt by lower attendance because of the restrictions.
They will be paired together. There is the unofficial rule that each access NY6 bowl takes a turn with the G5. This year its the Peach, next year is the Fiesta, and the 3rd year is the Cotton. If there are 2 G5s the Peach will get both of them.

The CFP language on the access slot was different than the language with the BCS.

BCS said if a conference champion was Top 12 or Top 16 rated ahead of a BCS conference champion they would be accepted in.

CFP is the highest rated non-P5 champion gets in automatically but only that representative is the allowed to play in a NY6 bowl. For this reason I don't think we'll see a Boise-TCU situation where both Coastal and UC play each other.
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(12-08-2020 08:51 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(12-08-2020 08:03 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  https://theathletic.com/1430487/2019/12/...-six-race/

Does anyone have a subscription to the Athletic to tell us what the supposed "double standard" Mike Aresco is talking about it. I'd love to hear this one as the AAC arguably gets lots of deference the other G5 leagues don't.

First of all Aresco's job is to advocate for the AAC, not the Sunbelt or whatever conference Georgia Southern is in (not sure if it is SBC or CUSA, its all the same to me). Its your commissioner's job to advocate for your school's league.

This is an article from 2019, not this year. What Aresco said in that article was the winner of the AAC CCG belonged in the NY6 due to the strength of the AAC over the other G5s that year, and the fact the league had scheduled tougher OOC.

The CFP committee is agreeing with the narrative as shown by UC's higher CFP ranking and that is what counts.
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(12-14-2020 12:32 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(12-14-2020 11:22 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(12-14-2020 10:29 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-14-2020 01:06 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  If both Coastal and Cincy win, I think they both deserve an NY6 spot, one as the guaranteed G5, the other as an at-large. The fourth-place SEC team or whatever can play in the Citrus Bowl.

Not that the CFP is going to listen to me, LOL ...

I don't want to see them play each other. Rather see them play one of the P5 schools. For that reason I hope Coastal Carolina misses out. I suspect they will try to pair them as they did Boise-TCU. And the bowls won't be hurt by lower attendance because of the restrictions.
They will be paired together. There is the unofficial rule that each access NY6 bowl takes a turn with the G5. This year its the Peach, next year is the Fiesta, and the 3rd year is the Cotton. If there are 2 G5s the Peach will get both of them.

The CFP language on the access slot was different than the language with the BCS.

BCS said if a conference champion was Top 12 or Top 16 rated ahead of a BCS conference champion they would be accepted in.

CFP is the highest rated non-P5 champion gets in automatically but only that representative is the allowed to play in a NY6 bowl. For this reason I don't think we'll see a Boise-TCU situation where both Coastal and UC play each other.

the CFP Language says "The highest-ranked available teams will fill any other berths." thats after all contracts have been filled. looking at this years, it looks like there will be 3 spots to fill by rankings. In theory Coastal could get an At-large if they win out this season.
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(12-14-2020 12:32 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(12-14-2020 11:22 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(12-14-2020 10:29 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-14-2020 01:06 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  If both Coastal and Cincy win, I think they both deserve an NY6 spot, one as the guaranteed G5, the other as an at-large. The fourth-place SEC team or whatever can play in the Citrus Bowl.

Not that the CFP is going to listen to me, LOL ...

I don't want to see them play each other. Rather see them play one of the P5 schools. For that reason I hope Coastal Carolina misses out. I suspect they will try to pair them as they did Boise-TCU. And the bowls won't be hurt by lower attendance because of the restrictions.
They will be paired together. There is the unofficial rule that each access NY6 bowl takes a turn with the G5. This year its the Peach, next year is the Fiesta, and the 3rd year is the Cotton. If there are 2 G5s the Peach will get both of them.

The CFP language on the access slot was different than the language with the BCS.

BCS said if a conference champion was Top 12 or Top 16 rated ahead of a BCS conference champion they would be accepted in.

CFP is the highest rated non-P5 champion gets in automatically but only that representative is the allowed to play in a NY6 bowl. For this reason I don't think we'll see a Boise-TCU situation where both Coastal and UC play each other.

At-large spots are open to anyone, P5 or G5. So if there is a second G5 team that is not the highest-ranked champ, but high enough ranked to qualify ahead of P5 for an at-large spot, they would get that at-large spot while the highest-rated G5 champ would also be in the NY6.

So it is certainly possible for multiple G5 to get in to the NY6.
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(12-14-2020 12:36 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(12-08-2020 08:51 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(12-08-2020 08:03 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  https://theathletic.com/1430487/2019/12/...-six-race/

Does anyone have a subscription to the Athletic to tell us what the supposed "double standard" Mike Aresco is talking about it. I'd love to hear this one as the AAC arguably gets lots of deference the other G5 leagues don't.

First of all Aresco's job is to advocate for the AAC, not the Sunbelt or whatever conference Georgia Southern is in (not sure if it is SBC or CUSA, its all the same to me). Its your commissioner's job to advocate for your school's league.

This is an article from 2019, not this year. What Aresco said in that article was the winner of the AAC CCG belonged in the NY6 due to the strength of the AAC over the other G5s that year, and the fact the league had scheduled tougher OOC.

The CFP committee is agreeing with the narrative as shown by UC's higher CFP ranking and that is what counts.

No question, the CFP is giving a lot of deference to Cincy. Whether that is due to Aresco's campaigning or not is unknown, but since there is no good reason for Cincy to be ranked ahead of Coastal really at all, much less by 5-6 ranking positions, one must conclude that Cincy is benefiting from a significant AAC reputational advantage.
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Coastal has the better wins this year but Cinn has a better overall conference. Cinn best win was UCF which has 3 losses.
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(12-14-2020 06:58 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  Coastal has the better wins this year but Cinn has a better overall conference. Cinn best win was UCF which has 3 losses.

Coastal not only has wins over two ranked teams while Cincy has none, Coastal also has played and won three more games than Cincy. That's a lot more "data points".

Coastal will also play a higher-ranked team than Cincy in their respective CCGs.

It is hard to imagine why Cincy is ranked so far ahead of them and is a lock to get the G5 access spot if they beat Tulsa.
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