(12-10-2020 07:42 PM)memtigbb Wrote: The main difference I see is how their players are constantly moving. They are rotating the spaces constantly. When a player drives, another player (sometimes 2) are cutting to the basket also to give the driver someone to dump the ball off to.
Yeah. If and when our guys do it, it's one rotation of movement and/or ball passing. Then if that breaks down they stop and the person with the ball then goes 1on1.
(12-10-2020 06:54 PM)Stammers Wrote: The thing most noticeable to me is how their point guards are so easily able to break the press and get into the lane. IF we had one player that could do that, it would change everything. I just don't see Villanova being the model that we can realistically follow.
When I look at VCU, that is how we should be playing. They don't have a dominant point guard. What they have are a lot of guards who are decent but not great ball handlers, and a lot of movement with and without the ball. We have the personnel to do it, but we have to completely change the way we play.
What is surprising about our team defense is that we play very well on the ball with a lot of players that aren't very athletic. Baugh is. I would say that DJ, Cisse, and maybe Boogie are. Nolley, LQ, Thomas, Jayden and Malcolm are not; with Malcolm's case being due to his injuries.
We don't have an identity right now because we don't have someone that can run the show and we are neither long, nor athletic. Lomax and LQ are the only ballhandlers. Lomax is tiny and limited offensively, and LQ isn't athletic.
One of the main reasons I went with that video was that it focused more on how things were run in that type of motion instead of being a full game where we had to skip to individual possessions. It doesn't even have to be Villanova, just anyone who is properly moving without the ball like you said would or moving the ball would look better than what we do. You mentioned VCU so I'm looking back at the VCU vs WVU game and they were running motion also in some possessions. And so far in the beginning when they didn't follow the proper rules, they looked like we do.
I think our guys do a decent job of getting into the lane. They just seem to be poor with finishing. IMO Lomax would get far fewer complaints if he was a better finisher. He gets into the lane for layups and pullups like I've seen other guys in motion videos, but he struggles knocking down the same shots. But I think the same can be said about the others as well. I would like to see them run more of their other sets.
You mention defense and athleticism or lack thereof, I think that shows they are better at following their defensive rules than their offensive rules. I don't know if that is due to complexity, lack of athleticism, or what, but they accomplish things on defense easier than they do on offense.
(12-10-2020 07:10 PM)thagr82008 Wrote: NICE ....Thanks for posting this....One thing that our team does take from Jay Wrights philosophies....."You're never going to be more open, than when you first catch the ball"
Haha. NGL, that part of the video crossed my mind with our team as well.
Nova had a bunch of shooters on that team.
Our issue is we don't have shooters and we don't have slashers...
Compound that with the fact that none of our guys is good at scoring over defense...These guys need to quit playing analytics ball and start trying harder to put the ball in the basket.
If I can run a defense that just switches every cut and I can cheat on 3 point shooters it makes it really hard for the other team to score...Unless they hit 3s
That is why we have to run solid sets...Because we don't have players that are 'mismatches'
(This post was last modified: 12-10-2020 09:07 PM by macgar32.)
(12-10-2020 06:54 PM)Stammers Wrote: The thing most noticeable to me is how their point guards are so easily able to break the press and get into the lane. IF we had one player that could do that, it would change everything. I just don't see Villanova being the model that we can realistically follow.
When I look at VCU, that is how we should be playing. They don't have a dominant point guard. What they have are a lot of guards who are decent but not great ball handlers, and a lot of movement with and without the ball. We have the personnel to do it, but we have to completely change the way we play.
What is surprising about our team defense is that we play very well on the ball with a lot of players that aren't very athletic. Baugh is. I would say that DJ, Cisse, and maybe Boogie are. Nolley, LQ, Thomas, Jayden and Malcolm are not; with Malcolm's case being due to his injuries.
We don't have an identity right now because we don't have someone that can run the show and we are neither long, nor athletic. Lomax and LQ are the only ballhandlers. Lomax is tiny and limited offensively, and LQ isn't athletic.
One of the main reasons I went with that video was that it focused more on how things were run in that type of motion instead of being a full game where we had to skip to individual possessions. It doesn't even have to be Villanova, just anyone who is properly moving without the ball like you said would or moving the ball would look better than what we do. You mentioned VCU so I'm looking back at the VCU vs WVU game and they were running motion also in some possessions. And so far in the beginning when they didn't follow the proper rules, they looked like we do.
I think our guys do a decent job of getting into the lane. They just seem to be poor with finishing. IMO Lomax would get far fewer complaints if he was a better finisher. He gets into the lane for layups and pullups like I've seen other guys in motion videos, but he struggles knocking down the same shots. But I think the same can be said about the others as well. I would like to see them run more of their other sets.
You mention defense and athleticism or lack thereof, I think that shows they are better at following their defensive rules than their offensive rules. I don't know if that is due to complexity, lack of athleticism, or what, but they accomplish things on defense easier than they do on offense.
(12-10-2020 07:10 PM)thagr82008 Wrote: NICE ....Thanks for posting this....One thing that our team does take from Jay Wrights philosophies....."You're never going to be more open, than when you first catch the ball"
Haha. NGL, that part of the video crossed my mind with our team as well.
Nova had a bunch of shooters on that team.
Our issue is we don't have shooters and we don't have slashers...
Compound that with the fact that none of our guys is good at scoring over defense...These guys need to quit playing analytics ball and start trying harder to put the ball in the basket.
If I can run a defense that just switches every cut and I can cheat on 3 point shooters it makes it really hard for the other team to score...Unless they hit 3s
That is why we have to run solid sets...Because we don't have players that are 'mismatches'
Maybe I should have used a different video since the focus has been more on what Villanova's players skillsets are than how the offense should be run.
If we say all of those weaknesses are true then we are rather screwed IMO. I think some guys have shown to be better slashers than shooters. What we seem to lack is good finishing. It feels like everybody misses too many close shots.
But maybe they do need to keep the sets as basic as possible.
Looks like steves got his wish. The team ran a lot of High/Low offense against Tulane. We can point to a few things that caused the game to be closer than it should have been. I believe the ball movement falling off from the beginning of the first half also was a problem. They did really good at first, but then got away from it. The ball movement seemed to be better during that run late in the 2nd half. (I missed the first part of the 2nd half.)
Back to the High/Low, here is a highlight video of the game. So we can't see all of times they ran it and the timestamps are only for that set. In game I believe there were some passes that went to the low post. The ones in this video it looks like Tulane was playing man defense so the player that got the pass in the high post chose to either drive or shoot a jumper.
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Looking at Tigers' basketball offense
