(12-01-2020 08:37 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Virtually all of us see Alo' deficiencies. The issue for me is the obvious bias Penny has for Alo. It shows in the minutes played & the role Penny wants Alo to have that Alo is incapable of fulfilling. Unfortunately it has also played a role in stunting the development of Ellis, Baugh & to some extent LQ.

Except that despite all of his flaws he is still the team's assist leader, he is the only guard who is understands how to not get caught in positions to get trapped and is somewhat able to break a press, and the only time we have a semblance of an offense is when he is in the game.

Is he a better option than Baugh and Boogie right now? I don't know. What I do know is from what I've seen, Baugh and Boogie haven't improved their point guard skills and ball handling enough to be effective D1 point guards.

It is funny in a way, to look back to when Lomax was signed. I was blasted by many of these same posters for saying that based on his rating, an optimistic hope for Lomax was exactly how he has performed to this point. Everyone thought that he was the answer and was going to be a phenomenal point guard.

Here I am defending him as I always have. It is ok to criticize him, but he is playing at the level that he should be. I still think in the end, he is the best option we have, IF we play the same way. The only way Boogie or Baugh become better options is if we change the way we play offense. If we start reversing the ball quicker and moving the ball quicker from side to side, looking for driving or passing opportunities, then Boogie or Baugh will probably be better.

(12-01-2020 09:49 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 08:37 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Virtually all of us see Alo' deficiencies. The issue for me is the obvious bias Penny has for Alo. It shows in the minutes played & the role Penny wants Alo to have that Alo is incapable of fulfilling. Unfortunately it has also played a role in stunting the development of Ellis, Baugh & to some extent LQ.

Except that despite all of his flaws he is still the team's assist leader, he is the only guard who is understands how to not get caught in positions to get trapped and is somewhat able to break a press, and the only time we have a semblance of an offense is when he is in the game.

Is he a better option than Baugh and Boogie right now? I don't know. What I do know is from what I've seen, Baugh and Boogie haven't improved their point guard skills and ball handling enough to be effective D1 point guards.

It is funny in a way, to look back to when Lomax was signed. I was blasted by many of these same posters for saying that based on his rating, an optimistic hope for Lomax was exactly how he has performed to this point. Everyone thought that he was the answer and was going to be a phenomenal point guard.

Here I am defending him as I always have. It is ok to criticize him, but he is playing at the level that he should be. I still think in the end, he is the best option we have, IF we play the same way. The only way Boogie or Baugh become better options is if we change the way we play offense. If we start reversing the ball quicker and moving the ball quicker from side to side, looking for driving or passing opportunities, then Boogie or Baugh will probably be better.

I disagree with virtually all of this. Teams arent hard trapping him like Boogie because they dont need to - he is no offensive threat. When he is in the game all the defense needs to do is play 4 v 5 and our offense can do nothing. Our starting lineup with ALo is a massive negative on +/- through 3 games and i suspect the same is true of all lineups with A-Lo and a big.

Sure he slightly leads us in assists but a 1.5:1 Assist to turnover ratio isnt exactly something to brag about in the context of teams playing off you by 5-6 ft routinely and being a non-threat on offense. Give me Baugh all day right now.

(12-01-2020 09:49 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 08:37 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Virtually all of us see Alo' deficiencies. The issue for me is the obvious bias Penny has for Alo. It shows in the minutes played & the role Penny wants Alo to have that Alo is incapable of fulfilling. Unfortunately it has also played a role in stunting the development of Ellis, Baugh & to some extent LQ.

Except that despite all of his flaws he is still the team's assist leader, he is the only guard who is understands how to not get caught in positions to get trapped and is somewhat able to break a press, and the only time we have a semblance of an offense is when he is in the game.

Is he a better option than Baugh and Boogie right now? I don't know. What I do know is from what I've seen, Baugh and Boogie haven't improved their point guard skills and ball handling enough to be effective D1 point guards.

It is funny in a way, to look back to when Lomax was signed. I was blasted by many of these same posters for saying that based on his rating, an optimistic hope for Lomax was exactly how he has performed to this point. Everyone thought that he was the answer and was going to be a phenomenal point guard.

Here I am defending him as I always have. It is ok to criticize him, but he is playing at the level that he should be. I still think in the end, he is the best option we have, IF we play the same way. The only way Boogie or Baugh become better options is if we change the way we play offense. If we start reversing the ball quicker and moving the ball quicker from side to side, looking for driving or passing opportunities, then Boogie or Baugh will probably be better.

Do you even watch the games or just box scores after the game and then create your own narrative with stats?

(12-01-2020 09:13 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  we should be criticizing GP for being a squirelly d-bag instead

I thought that was a daily occurance!

(12-01-2020 09:57 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 09:49 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 08:37 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Virtually all of us see Alo' deficiencies. The issue for me is the obvious bias Penny has for Alo. It shows in the minutes played & the role Penny wants Alo to have that Alo is incapable of fulfilling. Unfortunately it has also played a role in stunting the development of Ellis, Baugh & to some extent LQ.

Except that despite all of his flaws he is still the team's assist leader, he is the only guard who is understands how to not get caught in positions to get trapped and is somewhat able to break a press, and the only time we have a semblance of an offense is when he is in the game.

Is he a better option than Baugh and Boogie right now? I don't know. What I do know is from what I've seen, Baugh and Boogie haven't improved their point guard skills and ball handling enough to be effective D1 point guards.

It is funny in a way, to look back to when Lomax was signed. I was blasted by many of these same posters for saying that based on his rating, an optimistic hope for Lomax was exactly how he has performed to this point. Everyone thought that he was the answer and was going to be a phenomenal point guard.

Here I am defending him as I always have. It is ok to criticize him, but he is playing at the level that he should be. I still think in the end, he is the best option we have, IF we play the same way. The only way Boogie or Baugh become better options is if we change the way we play offense. If we start reversing the ball quicker and moving the ball quicker from side to side, looking for driving or passing opportunities, then Boogie or Baugh will probably be better.

I disagree with virtually all of this. Teams arent hard trapping him like Boogie because they dont need to - he is no offensive threat. When he is in the game all the defense needs to do is play 4 v 5 and our offense can do nothing. Our starting lineup with ALo is a massive negative on +/- through 3 games and i suspect the same is true of all lineups with A-Lo and a big.

Sure he slightly leads us in assists but a 1.5:1 Assist to turnover ratio isnt exactly something to brag about in the context of teams playing off you by 5-6 ft routinely and being a non-threat on offense. Give me Baugh all day right now.

What you are saying about trapping makes no sense. When teams trap Boogie and Baugh all over the court, they aren't in shooting positions. They are mostly getting trapped more than 50FT from the basket. Lomax doesn't get trapped as often because he is much smarter, he is a natural point guard.

Also, Lomax proved over the entire season that he could shoot efficiently overall, as well as from the free throw line and outside. After 3 games he has been lousy, but he has proven that he can do it. Baugh and Boogie have never shown that they can run an offense.

In terms of running an efficient offense, Precious being on the perimeter wasn't a good thing, but the flip side is that he bailed out our point guards to an extent. Because he was out there and was able to drive the ball effectively, it created space for the rest of the team when he drove the ball. He also created opportunities for himself and others by rebounding on the offensive glass.

The bottom line is that the team has only played 3 games, and things will sort themselves out. I don't know why Lomax is so gun shy from outside. He took open shots and hit them at over a 40% clip the last half of the season.

IF he finds a way out of his funk, he is at least level with Boogie and Baugh as a point guard. If he doesn't, he is awful. I'm very confident that he won't finish the season shooting 28% from the field and 0% from outside.

Time will tell.

You are the only person in the entire world who thinks ALo is a scorer. Are you kidding?!

It is so ridiculous that anything else you say is just air.

(12-01-2020 10:10 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 09:57 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 09:49 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 08:37 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Virtually all of us see Alo' deficiencies. The issue for me is the obvious bias Penny has for Alo. It shows in the minutes played & the role Penny wants Alo to have that Alo is incapable of fulfilling. Unfortunately it has also played a role in stunting the development of Ellis, Baugh & to some extent LQ.

Except that despite all of his flaws he is still the team's assist leader, he is the only guard who is understands how to not get caught in positions to get trapped and is somewhat able to break a press, and the only time we have a semblance of an offense is when he is in the game.

Is he a better option than Baugh and Boogie right now? I don't know. What I do know is from what I've seen, Baugh and Boogie haven't improved their point guard skills and ball handling enough to be effective D1 point guards.

It is funny in a way, to look back to when Lomax was signed. I was blasted by many of these same posters for saying that based on his rating, an optimistic hope for Lomax was exactly how he has performed to this point. Everyone thought that he was the answer and was going to be a phenomenal point guard.

Here I am defending him as I always have. It is ok to criticize him, but he is playing at the level that he should be. I still think in the end, he is the best option we have, IF we play the same way. The only way Boogie or Baugh become better options is if we change the way we play offense. If we start reversing the ball quicker and moving the ball quicker from side to side, looking for driving or passing opportunities, then Boogie or Baugh will probably be better.

I disagree with virtually all of this. Teams arent hard trapping him like Boogie because they dont need to - he is no offensive threat. When he is in the game all the defense needs to do is play 4 v 5 and our offense can do nothing. Our starting lineup with ALo is a massive negative on +/- through 3 games and i suspect the same is true of all lineups with A-Lo and a big.

Sure he slightly leads us in assists but a 1.5:1 Assist to turnover ratio isnt exactly something to brag about in the context of teams playing off you by 5-6 ft routinely and being a non-threat on offense. Give me Baugh all day right now.

What you are saying about trapping makes no sense. When teams trap Boogie and Baugh all over the court, they aren't in shooting positions. They are mostly getting trapped more than 50FT from the basket. Lomax doesn't get trapped as often because he is much smarter, he is a natural point guard.

Also, Lomax proved over the entire season that he could shoot efficiently overall, as well as from the free throw line and outside. After 3 games he has been lousy, but he has proven that he can do it. Baugh and Boogie have never shown that they can run an offense.

In terms of running an efficient offense, Precious being on the perimeter wasn't a good thing, but the flip side is that he bailed out our point guards to an extent. Because he was out there and was able to drive the ball effectively, it created space for the rest of the team when he drove the ball. He also created opportunities for himself and others by rebounding on the offensive glass.

The bottom line is that the team has only played 3 games, and things will sort themselves out. I don't know why Lomax is so gun shy from outside. He took open shots and hit them at over a 40% clip the last half of the season.

IF he finds a way out of his funk, he is at least level with Boogie and Baugh as a point guard. If he doesn't, he is awful. I'm very confident that he won't finish the season shooting 28% from the field and 0% from outside.

Time will tell.

Again - A-Lo was NOT some great shooter last year. He took 0.7 (fewer than 1) completely unguarded 3 pointers per game and shot 36%. Teams willingly leave him alone ALL GAME. Stop just looking at the %tage. This is equivalent to him hitting a single three pointer EVERY 4 GAMES. In exchange for that singlr make in 4 games we have to play 85 minutes of 4 v 5 with him on the floor. Our opponents would take that every day.

Teams are trapping Boogie off the high screen consistently to stop him from turning the corner and kill the rim run. On most of our plays the screener rolls straight to the basket and their is no outlet at the top of the key - this means if you strong Boogie out high you completely kill our possession. Its not just about shooting position - our offense has no counters, stop the initial action and you kill the possession.

https://21153.mc.tritondigital.com/OMNY_...1606780950

34 minute mark you can listen to a real expert talk about it some.

(12-01-2020 10:05 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 09:49 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 08:37 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Virtually all of us see Alo' deficiencies. The issue for me is the obvious bias Penny has for Alo. It shows in the minutes played & the role Penny wants Alo to have that Alo is incapable of fulfilling. Unfortunately it has also played a role in stunting the development of Ellis, Baugh & to some extent LQ.

Except that despite all of his flaws he is still the team's assist leader, he is the only guard who is understands how to not get caught in positions to get trapped and is somewhat able to break a press, and the only time we have a semblance of an offense is when he is in the game.

Is he a better option than Baugh and Boogie right now? I don't know. What I do know is from what I've seen, Baugh and Boogie haven't improved their point guard skills and ball handling enough to be effective D1 point guards.

It is funny in a way, to look back to when Lomax was signed. I was blasted by many of these same posters for saying that based on his rating, an optimistic hope for Lomax was exactly how he has performed to this point. Everyone thought that he was the answer and was going to be a phenomenal point guard.

Here I am defending him as I always have. It is ok to criticize him, but he is playing at the level that he should be. I still think in the end, he is the best option we have, IF we play the same way. The only way Boogie or Baugh become better options is if we change the way we play offense. If we start reversing the ball quicker and moving the ball quicker from side to side, looking for driving or passing opportunities, then Boogie or Baugh will probably be better.

Do you even watch the games or just box scores after the game and then create your own narrative with stats?

Lomax has to shoot and make that outside shot. If he does, it changes the whole dynamic of our offense with him on the court. He has proven over an entire season that he can shoot a good percentage overall, as well as from the free throw line and outside. He has proven that he can distribute the ball reasonably well.

Boogie went through a 10 game stretch at the beginning of the season where he shot 13.7% from the field. His last 5 games of the season he shot 20.5% from the field. We have posters going into hysterics because Lomax isn't taking shots and isn't hitting the ones he does take after 3 games.

Boogie is shooting 58.3% from the field and 60% from outside. Baugh is shooting 50% from the field and has only attempted one 3 point shot. Neither is going to be able to improve appreciably on those numbers and they might not shoot as well. Both shooting so well should have created opportunities for others, but so far between them they are averaging 4.8 assists per game. Lomax is going to shoot much better than he has so far.

When he levels off to where he is as a shooter, it will give us a chance to make a much more valid comparison between the three of them.

You should send all your "info" to some NBA scouts. ALo is a future NBA MVP.

I guess everyone else in the entire world is just wrong.

(12-01-2020 10:23 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 10:05 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 09:49 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 08:37 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Virtually all of us see Alo' deficiencies. The issue for me is the obvious bias Penny has for Alo. It shows in the minutes played & the role Penny wants Alo to have that Alo is incapable of fulfilling. Unfortunately it has also played a role in stunting the development of Ellis, Baugh & to some extent LQ.

Except that despite all of his flaws he is still the team's assist leader, he is the only guard who is understands how to not get caught in positions to get trapped and is somewhat able to break a press, and the only time we have a semblance of an offense is when he is in the game.

Is he a better option than Baugh and Boogie right now? I don't know. What I do know is from what I've seen, Baugh and Boogie haven't improved their point guard skills and ball handling enough to be effective D1 point guards.

It is funny in a way, to look back to when Lomax was signed. I was blasted by many of these same posters for saying that based on his rating, an optimistic hope for Lomax was exactly how he has performed to this point. Everyone thought that he was the answer and was going to be a phenomenal point guard.

Here I am defending him as I always have. It is ok to criticize him, but he is playing at the level that he should be. I still think in the end, he is the best option we have, IF we play the same way. The only way Boogie or Baugh become better options is if we change the way we play offense. If we start reversing the ball quicker and moving the ball quicker from side to side, looking for driving or passing opportunities, then Boogie or Baugh will probably be better.

Do you even watch the games or just box scores after the game and then create your own narrative with stats?

Lomax has to shoot and make that outside shot. If he does, it changes the whole dynamic of our offense with him on the court. He has proven over an entire season that he can shoot a good percentage overall, as well as from the free throw line and outside. He has proven that he can distribute the ball reasonably well.

Boogie went through a 10 game stretch at the beginning of the season where he shot 13.7% from the field. His last 5 games of the season he shot 20.5% from the field. We have posters going into hysterics because Lomax isn't taking shots and isn't hitting the ones he does take after 3 games.

Boogie is shooting 58.3% from the field and 60% from outside. Baugh is shooting 50% from the field and has only attempted one 3 point shot. Neither is going to be able to improve appreciably on those numbers and they might not shoot as well. Both shooting so well should have created opportunities for others, but so far between them they are averaging 4.8 assists per game. Lomax is going to shoot much better than he has so far.

When he levels off to where he is as a shooter, it will give us a chance to make a much more valid comparison between the three of them.

Ill say it again - no one is guarding A-Lo if he is shooting 40% on 0.7 attempts. Every coach on earth is going to tell his team to take their chances on a player who hits a single 3 pointer every 4 games. When he "levels off" teams are going to guard him the exact same way they did last year - not guarding him at all.

And A-Lo is averaging 3.3 Assists with 2 TOs while Baugh is doing 2.7 assists with 1 TO. Those stats are basically the same.

(12-01-2020 10:19 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 10:10 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 09:57 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 09:49 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 08:37 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Virtually all of us see Alo' deficiencies. The issue for me is the obvious bias Penny has for Alo. It shows in the minutes played & the role Penny wants Alo to have that Alo is incapable of fulfilling. Unfortunately it has also played a role in stunting the development of Ellis, Baugh & to some extent LQ.

Except that despite all of his flaws he is still the team's assist leader, he is the only guard who is understands how to not get caught in positions to get trapped and is somewhat able to break a press, and the only time we have a semblance of an offense is when he is in the game.

Is he a better option than Baugh and Boogie right now? I don't know. What I do know is from what I've seen, Baugh and Boogie haven't improved their point guard skills and ball handling enough to be effective D1 point guards.

It is funny in a way, to look back to when Lomax was signed. I was blasted by many of these same posters for saying that based on his rating, an optimistic hope for Lomax was exactly how he has performed to this point. Everyone thought that he was the answer and was going to be a phenomenal point guard.

Here I am defending him as I always have. It is ok to criticize him, but he is playing at the level that he should be. I still think in the end, he is the best option we have, IF we play the same way. The only way Boogie or Baugh become better options is if we change the way we play offense. If we start reversing the ball quicker and moving the ball quicker from side to side, looking for driving or passing opportunities, then Boogie or Baugh will probably be better.

I disagree with virtually all of this. Teams arent hard trapping him like Boogie because they dont need to - he is no offensive threat. When he is in the game all the defense needs to do is play 4 v 5 and our offense can do nothing. Our starting lineup with ALo is a massive negative on +/- through 3 games and i suspect the same is true of all lineups with A-Lo and a big.

Sure he slightly leads us in assists but a 1.5:1 Assist to turnover ratio isnt exactly something to brag about in the context of teams playing off you by 5-6 ft routinely and being a non-threat on offense. Give me Baugh all day right now.

What you are saying about trapping makes no sense. When teams trap Boogie and Baugh all over the court, they aren't in shooting positions. They are mostly getting trapped more than 50FT from the basket. Lomax doesn't get trapped as often because he is much smarter, he is a natural point guard.

Also, Lomax proved over the entire season that he could shoot efficiently overall, as well as from the free throw line and outside. After 3 games he has been lousy, but he has proven that he can do it. Baugh and Boogie have never shown that they can run an offense.

In terms of running an efficient offense, Precious being on the perimeter wasn't a good thing, but the flip side is that he bailed out our point guards to an extent. Because he was out there and was able to drive the ball effectively, it created space for the rest of the team when he drove the ball. He also created opportunities for himself and others by rebounding on the offensive glass.

The bottom line is that the team has only played 3 games, and things will sort themselves out. I don't know why Lomax is so gun shy from outside. He took open shots and hit them at over a 40% clip the last half of the season.

IF he finds a way out of his funk, he is at least level with Boogie and Baugh as a point guard. If he doesn't, he is awful. I'm very confident that he won't finish the season shooting 28% from the field and 0% from outside.

Time will tell.

Again - A-Lo was NOT some great shooter last year. He took 0.7 (fewer than 1) completely unguarded 3 pointers per game and shot 36%. Teams willingly leave him alone ALL GAME. Stop just looking at the %tage. This is equivalent to him hitting a single three pointer EVERY 4 GAMES. In exchange for that singlr make in 4 games we have to play 85 minutes of 4 v 5 with him on the floor. Our opponents would take that every day.

Teams are trapping Boogie off the high screen consistently to stop him from turning the corner and kill the rim run. On most of our plays the screener rolls straight to the basket and their is no outlet at the top of the key - this means if you strong Boogie out high you completely kill our possession. Its not just about shooting position - our offense has no counters, stop the initial action and you kill the possession.

Quote:Stop just looking at the %tage.

Baugh shot 17 three pointers all of last season hitting 29.4% and has attempted one this season. Boogie has shot 15 of them this year, hitting 9 of them, and it still hasn't opened up the offense at all. When you hit 60% of your 3 point shots it should open everything up for the rest of the offense, and yet Boogie is averaging 1.3 assists per game.

DJ
32.4% from the field
14.3% from outside

LQ
22.7% from the field
25.0% from outside

Boogie and Nolley are hitting 53.1% of their 3 point shots. The rest of the team is hitting 18.5%. When Lomax, DJ and LQ start shooting better, it will make everything better. The team has played 3 games. When things level off it will give us a better snapshot. If Williams ever gets cleared, that will also change things considerably.

(12-01-2020 10:35 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 10:23 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 10:05 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 09:49 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 08:37 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Virtually all of us see Alo' deficiencies. The issue for me is the obvious bias Penny has for Alo. It shows in the minutes played & the role Penny wants Alo to have that Alo is incapable of fulfilling. Unfortunately it has also played a role in stunting the development of Ellis, Baugh & to some extent LQ.

Except that despite all of his flaws he is still the team's assist leader, he is the only guard who is understands how to not get caught in positions to get trapped and is somewhat able to break a press, and the only time we have a semblance of an offense is when he is in the game.

Is he a better option than Baugh and Boogie right now? I don't know. What I do know is from what I've seen, Baugh and Boogie haven't improved their point guard skills and ball handling enough to be effective D1 point guards.

It is funny in a way, to look back to when Lomax was signed. I was blasted by many of these same posters for saying that based on his rating, an optimistic hope for Lomax was exactly how he has performed to this point. Everyone thought that he was the answer and was going to be a phenomenal point guard.

Here I am defending him as I always have. It is ok to criticize him, but he is playing at the level that he should be. I still think in the end, he is the best option we have, IF we play the same way. The only way Boogie or Baugh become better options is if we change the way we play offense. If we start reversing the ball quicker and moving the ball quicker from side to side, looking for driving or passing opportunities, then Boogie or Baugh will probably be better.

Do you even watch the games or just box scores after the game and then create your own narrative with stats?

Lomax has to shoot and make that outside shot. If he does, it changes the whole dynamic of our offense with him on the court. He has proven over an entire season that he can shoot a good percentage overall, as well as from the free throw line and outside. He has proven that he can distribute the ball reasonably well.

Boogie went through a 10 game stretch at the beginning of the season where he shot 13.7% from the field. His last 5 games of the season he shot 20.5% from the field. We have posters going into hysterics because Lomax isn't taking shots and isn't hitting the ones he does take after 3 games.

Boogie is shooting 58.3% from the field and 60% from outside. Baugh is shooting 50% from the field and has only attempted one 3 point shot. Neither is going to be able to improve appreciably on those numbers and they might not shoot as well. Both shooting so well should have created opportunities for others, but so far between them they are averaging 4.8 assists per game. Lomax is going to shoot much better than he has so far.

When he levels off to where he is as a shooter, it will give us a chance to make a much more valid comparison between the three of them.

Ill say it again - no one is guarding A-Lo if he is shooting 40% on 0.7 attempts. Every coach on earth is going to tell his team to take their chances on a player who hits a single 3 pointer every 4 games. When he "levels off" teams are going to guard him the exact same way they did last year - not guarding him at all.

And A-Lo is averaging 3.3 Assists with 2 TOs while Baugh is doing 2.7 assists with 1 TO. Those stats are basically the same.

I am basing what I am saying on Lomax, Baugh and Boogie playing all of last season and this season. You are looking at 3 games and projecting that over an entire season; which makes no sense. Lomax isn't going to shoot 28% for the entire season. Boogie isn't going to make 60% of his 3 point shots.

When things level off we will see what happens.

You do realize that any of the players you listed would be shooting 70% from 3 if they were left completely unguarded.. Hence why they are not only not left unguarded, but actual focus points for the defenses...

If ALo started making his open 3s at a 60% clip, teams would then start guarding him and his percentage would drop back down to 20%.

Alo's shooting is not going to "level off". He is in his junior year and still is an unwilling shooter. He may have two or three games this year where he hits an early shot and ends up making two threes in a game but by in large he is not going to take or make threes with any consistency. He is never going to be a perimeter threat and defenses will never respect his outside shot. If continued shooting 1 three every 4 games and made 100% of them defenses still would not cover him. A 30% shooter who takes 3 or 4 a game will get more respect because defenses know he is willing to shoot.

You can get by as a college point guard without being able to shoot (see St. Mary's PG) you just have to be able to do other things really well. Alo simply does not do that. He is a mediocre ball handler, a mediocre defender, a mediocre passer and subpar driver and a subpar finisher... I like him. I think he is gritty and gives really good effort he just does not have the skillset of a high level D1 point guard.

(11-30-2020 05:50 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  If Lomax wasn’t capable of running the offense, I’d say lay off the guy. The truth is that he is capable of running this offense, if he wants to run it, and not act as the designated driver to the basket. He should be directing movement, policing bad shots, and making his lane drives rare and effective.

(11-30-2020 11:08 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  Its honestly unfair the position A-Lo is being put in. He would be a super valuable 8-10 min backup to play good D and keep the ball moving.

He is just not a starting quality PG as either a scorer or playmaker at a high-major program

(12-01-2020 09:10 AM)cmt Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 08:37 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Virtually all of us see Alo' deficiencies. The issue for me is the obvious bias Penny has for Alo. It shows in the minutes played & the role Penny wants Alo to have that Alo is incapable of fulfilling. Unfortunately it has also played a role in stunting the development of Ellis, Baugh & to some extent LQ.

That is absolutely correct. Alo is doing the best Alo can do. Criticizing college players has a very fine line that I try not to cross, the truth is they are happy to be here and want to be great. Its the coach that decides who plays and where they play and how long they play. The responsibility is not on the player, but on the coach. You could even blame the coach for what happened with that quitter last season.

(12-01-2020 09:57 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 09:49 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 08:37 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Virtually all of us see Alo' deficiencies. The issue for me is the obvious bias Penny has for Alo. It shows in the minutes played & the role Penny wants Alo to have that Alo is incapable of fulfilling. Unfortunately it has also played a role in stunting the development of Ellis, Baugh & to some extent LQ.

Except that despite all of his flaws he is still the team's assist leader, he is the only guard who is understands how to not get caught in positions to get trapped and is somewhat able to break a press, and the only time we have a semblance of an offense is when he is in the game.

Is he a better option than Baugh and Boogie right now? I don't know. What I do know is from what I've seen, Baugh and Boogie haven't improved their point guard skills and ball handling enough to be effective D1 point guards.

It is funny in a way, to look back to when Lomax was signed. I was blasted by many of these same posters for saying that based on his rating, an optimistic hope for Lomax was exactly how he has performed to this point. Everyone thought that he was the answer and was going to be a phenomenal point guard.

Here I am defending him as I always have. It is ok to criticize him, but he is playing at the level that he should be. I still think in the end, he is the best option we have, IF we play the same way. The only way Boogie or Baugh become better options is if we change the way we play offense. If we start reversing the ball quicker and moving the ball quicker from side to side, looking for driving or passing opportunities, then Boogie or Baugh will probably be better.

I disagree with virtually all of this. Teams arent hard trapping him like Boogie because they dont need to - he is no offensive threat. When he is in the game all the defense needs to do is play 4 v 5 and our offense can do nothing. Our starting lineup with ALo is a massive negative on +/- through 3 games and i suspect the same is true of all lineups with A-Lo and a big.

Sure he slightly leads us in assists but a 1.5:1 Assist to turnover ratio isnt exactly something to brag about in the context of teams playing off you by 5-6 ft routinely and being a non-threat on offense. Give me Baugh all day right now.

I think that the blame in this situation and the critique is being towards the particular system that unfortunately Alo is being asked to run and that system is clearly out of his league.....This is NOT a system where the offensive pace is controlled and slowed down, it's an offense designed to attack from EVERY position to keep the defense off-balance;guessing while simultaneously forcing the opposing offense to rush into bad shots trying to avoid being run out of the gym......
Where Alo gets critique in this is pretty fair, as Alo cannot consistently hit opens jump shots....cannot finish at the basket....cannot make sufficient entry passes (to the hoop)....cannot consistently throw lobs.....cannot run a proper fast-break and cannot hit high enough percentage of foul-shots to justify his position....So as one previous poster mentioned.....defenses are playing 5 v 4 because Alo is NOT a threat from ANY position on the court .....And this makes the whole system appear TERRIBLE.....

Now, "IF" this were a situation where Memphis played "Ball-control" offense and passed the ball around to wait on the defense to make a mistake and take time to recognize mis-matches and exploit that.....Then and ONLY then Alo could start (In a pinch) or get serviceable minutes in a full college BBall game......But as long as Penny relies on Alo to run a hybrid NBA styled offense with a point guard that has as much chance at an NBA roster as us keyboard coaches....This team/system is going to get exploited by the most fundamental teams that can take advantage of our inept PG

(12-01-2020 10:42 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  You do realize that any of the players you listed would be shooting 70% from 3 if they were left completely unguarded.. Hence why they are not only not left unguarded, but actual focus points for the defenses...

If ALo started making his open 3s at a 60% clip, teams would then start guarding him and his percentage would drop back down to 20%.

LQ, DJ, Baugh, Thomas and Lomax are making them at a 16% clip. LQ and DJ are missing lots of wide open shots, period. IF Boogie is your point guard and he is hitting 60% from outside, if he is doing any kind of a decent job running an offense, it should create lots of opportunities for others, but here we are with Boogie averaging 1.3 assists per game. Baugh has tried one in three games.

Lomax isn't being guarded, and he needs to take more open shots from outside and he needs to hit them. Baugh IS being guarded, but not because he is a threat. He is being guarded because he can't create any separation and makes no attempt at running the offense when someone is guarding him. His sole goal is to not let anyone steal the ball from him.

We are going around in circles. IMO, one of these three things has to happen in order for us to have a good point guard.

1. Lomax needs to take more open shots and hit more
2. Baugh's ball handling, court awareness and vision have to improve 100%
3. Boogie has to get better at not getting trapped, and has to have his head up and involve others when he has the ball in his hands.

Last but certainly not least, the offense we run needs to be retooled. Having players try and beat their man off of the dribble with very little off the ball movement isn't going to work.

(12-01-2020 11:51 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 10:42 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  You do realize that any of the players you listed would be shooting 70% from 3 if they were left completely unguarded.. Hence why they are not only not left unguarded, but actual focus points for the defenses...

If ALo started making his open 3s at a 60% clip, teams would then start guarding him and his percentage would drop back down to 20%.

LQ, DJ, Baugh, Thomas and Lomax are making them at a 16% clip. LQ and DJ are missing lots of wide open shots, period. IF Boogie is your point guard and he is hitting 60% from outside, if he is doing any kind of a decent job running an offense, it should create lots of opportunities for others, but here we are with Boogie averaging 1.3 assists per game. Baugh has tried one in three games.

Lomax isn't being guarded, and he needs to take more open shots from outside and he needs to hit them. Baugh IS being guarded, but not because he is a threat. He is being guarded because he can't create any separation and makes no attempt at running the offense when someone is guarding him. His sole goal is to not let anyone steal the ball from him.

We are going around in circles. IMO, one of these three things has to happen in order for us to have a good point guard.

1. Lomax needs to take more open shots and hit more
2. Baugh's ball handling, court awareness and vision have to improve 100%
3. Boogie has to get better at not getting trapped, and has to have his head up and involve others when he has the ball in his hands.

Last but certainly not least, the offense we run needs to be retooled. Having players try and beat their man off of the dribble with very little off the ball movement isn't going to work.

Boogie's current role is not to come in and dish out 5 assists per game, he is being asked to come in and score. He is assuming a Lou Williams type role, not a Rajon Rondo role off the bench.

The question is which is more like to happen Boogie takes over as the primary point guard can he becomes a consistent distributor or can Alo stays the PG and becomes a consistent scoring threat?

Personally, I would ride with Boogie learning to become a better passer as opposed to Alo learning to become a better scorer.

(12-01-2020 10:22 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  https://21153.mc.tritondigital.com/OMNY_...1606780950

34 minute mark you can listen to a real expert talk about it some.

RE: GP question about Alex Lomax, "Can you turn the corner as a Junior?" Andre Turner did. Following the game at Kansas after his dad died, he was way better and it propelled us to the Final Four.

Since everyone wants to keep bringing up Turner.. maybe someone should take the time to take a look at what Turner did pre-college. then take a look at what he did each season. Compare the two... There is a huge difference. ALo is not, nor ever will be Andre Turner.