(12-04-2020 10:21 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(12-04-2020 07:57 AM)dwash Wrote:  I agree. Alo is not an effective starting pg as a junior and he isn't going to improve by much if at all. No reason not to let the sophomores with much better upside have it at this point and see if they can get better. Since Alo is what he is just let him do his thing off the bench.

Also, Alo is highly replaceable at this point going into next year. Would hate to see Boogie or Baugh transfer because they felt they were never given an equitable chance compared to the much less naturally gifted pg who is "like a son" to Penny.

The ole "like a son" reasoning. Penny showed last year that he had no favortism towards him. This is BS.

Did Penny sleep with your gf or something? You constantly go at him.

No Penny hasn't slept with my wife. They are actually distantly related. But anyway, do you understand that it doesn't have to be true to actually make someone transfer or be a reason that someone transfer? It only has to be perceived to be that way for it to be a factor?

Guys like Alo don't typically play over top 30 recruits that could have gone to Duke at most programs so it doesn't help the perception that Alo had a pre established relationship with Penny. Seriously, do you honestly believe that there is no chance that this topic doesn't atleast float around amongst the players in closed circles?

(12-04-2020 01:29 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  So to add to the discussion. Wonder how this goes now.

Seems like a decent gap.

St Mary's
ALo + 15
Baugh + 10
Boogie +19

WKU
ALo -9
Baugh -3
Boogie +1

VCU
Alo -17
Baugh +5
Boogie -7

ASU
Alo +10
Baugh +24
Boogie +3

Season
Baugh + 36
Lomax -1
Boogie +16

I'll bet no one can guess who has the best +/- on the team

At least these stats have more bearing on overall game impact unlike those thrown out by some others. These are not the be all end all either since there is over arching needs for trust by the other players once the rotation is more established.

Look, I don’t know what the answer is other than not starting Lomax at PG and getting some others time to develop there. I don’t pretend to know why Penny gives him so many minutes but i think I see that starting to end. He knows that production from that spot is needed for the Tigers to be a successful team.

I’m just saying he is no longer a viable option as the starter unless he somehow changes what he is doing/not doing on the court. I’d love to be wrong because Lomax somehow, some way, becomes deadly from the 3 point line, is an 77%+ FT shooter and keeps his man in front of him. I just don’t hold out much hope for that.

I will be at the game tonight cheering as loud as I can and hope the team keeps developing.

Take care all and. GTG!!!

My head is swimming on the Alo/Baugh/Boogie, etc. debate. Numbers, analysis, predictions, wow. Let's pump the brakes and let it play out. The sky isn't falling. Yet.

(12-04-2020 03:55 PM)Flugel Wrote:  

(12-04-2020 01:29 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  So to add to the discussion. Wonder how this goes now.

Seems like a decent gap.

St Mary's
ALo + 15
Baugh + 10
Boogie +19

WKU
ALo -9
Baugh -3
Boogie +1

VCU
Alo -17
Baugh +5
Boogie -7

ASU
Alo +10
Baugh +24
Boogie +3

Season
Baugh + 36
Lomax -1
Boogie +16

I'll bet no one can guess who has the best +/- on the team

At least these stats have more bearing on overall game impact unlike those thrown out by some others. These are not the be all end all either since there is over arching needs for trust by the other players once the rotation is more established.

How are these numbers generated?

Boogie had 24 points against St Mary's for +19.

Baugh had 6-4-2 against ASU for +24

(12-04-2020 07:03 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-04-2020 03:55 PM)Flugel Wrote:  

(12-04-2020 01:29 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  So to add to the discussion. Wonder how this goes now.

Seems like a decent gap.

St Mary's
ALo + 15
Baugh + 10
Boogie +19

WKU
ALo -9
Baugh -3
Boogie +1

VCU
Alo -17
Baugh +5
Boogie -7

ASU
Alo +10
Baugh +24
Boogie +3

Season
Baugh + 36
Lomax -1
Boogie +16

I'll bet no one can guess who has the best +/- on the team

At least these stats have more bearing on overall game impact unlike those thrown out by some others. These are not the be all end all either since there is over arching needs for trust by the other players once the rotation is more established.

How are these numbers generated?

Boogie had 24 points against St Mary's for +19.

Baugh had 6-4-2 against ASU for +24

They're team possession success numbers....

(12-04-2020 07:17 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-04-2020 07:03 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-04-2020 03:55 PM)Flugel Wrote:  

(12-04-2020 01:29 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  So to add to the discussion. Wonder how this goes now.

Seems like a decent gap.

St Mary's
ALo + 15
Baugh + 10
Boogie +19

WKU
ALo -9
Baugh -3
Boogie +1

VCU
Alo -17
Baugh +5
Boogie -7

ASU
Alo +10
Baugh +24
Boogie +3

Season
Baugh + 36
Lomax -1
Boogie +16

I'll bet no one can guess who has the best +/- on the team

At least these stats have more bearing on overall game impact unlike those thrown out by some others. These are not the be all end all either since there is over arching needs for trust by the other players once the rotation is more established.

How are these numbers generated?

Boogie had 24 points against St Mary's for +19.

Baugh had 6-4-2 against ASU for +24

They're team possession success numbers....

+/- number of points scored by your team while you were on the floor.

So for the season Memphis has scored 36 more points than their opponents when Baugh was on the floor

And 1 less point than their opponent when Lomax was on the floor.

If you look into the efficiency numbers Alo and Baugh lineups are equal offensively...But Baugh lineups are waaaaaaay better defensively.

Thanks for the explanation.

(12-04-2020 07:23 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-04-2020 07:17 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-04-2020 07:03 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-04-2020 03:55 PM)Flugel Wrote:  

(12-04-2020 01:29 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  So to add to the discussion. Wonder how this goes now.

Seems like a decent gap.

St Mary's
ALo + 15
Baugh + 10
Boogie +19

WKU
ALo -9
Baugh -3
Boogie +1

VCU
Alo -17
Baugh +5
Boogie -7

ASU
Alo +10
Baugh +24
Boogie +3

Season
Baugh + 36
Lomax -1
Boogie +16

I'll bet no one can guess who has the best +/- on the team

At least these stats have more bearing on overall game impact unlike those thrown out by some others. These are not the be all end all either since there is over arching needs for trust by the other players once the rotation is more established.

How are these numbers generated?

Boogie had 24 points against St Mary's for +19.

Baugh had 6-4-2 against ASU for +24

They're team possession success numbers....

+/- number of points scored by your team while you were on the floor.

So for the season Memphis has scored 36 more points than their opponents when Baugh was on the floor

And 1 less point than their opponent when Lomax was on the floor.

If you look into the efficiency numbers Alo and Baugh lineups are equal offensively...But Baugh lineups are waaaaaaay better defensively.

So, how'd the guys score out against UCA?

Also, where are you getting the +/- stats at? I would like to check out that site.

(12-05-2020 01:34 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Also, where are you getting the +/- stats at? I would like to check out that site.

I have a script that scrapes the boxscores...

Cant find +/- on any sites.

(12-05-2020 01:00 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-04-2020 07:23 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-04-2020 07:17 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-04-2020 07:03 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-04-2020 03:55 PM)Flugel Wrote:  At least these stats have more bearing on overall game impact unlike those thrown out by some others. These are not the be all end all either since there is over arching needs for trust by the other players once the rotation is more established.

How are these numbers generated?

Boogie had 24 points against St Mary's for +19.

Baugh had 6-4-2 against ASU for +24

They're team possession success numbers....

+/- number of points scored by your team while you were on the floor.

So for the season Memphis has scored 36 more points than their opponents when Baugh was on the floor

And 1 less point than their opponent when Lomax was on the floor.

If you look into the efficiency numbers Alo and Baugh lineups are equal offensively...But Baugh lineups are waaaaaaay better defensively.

So, how'd the guys score out against UCA?

Lomax +9
Baugh +1
Boogie -1

Q, Jeffries, Nolley and Junior + 14
Dandridge +15
Mousa + 8

Crazy stat is Malcolm played 15 minutes but was in 9 different lineups

(12-05-2020 03:23 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-05-2020 01:00 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-04-2020 07:23 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-04-2020 07:17 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-04-2020 07:03 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  How are these numbers generated?

Boogie had 24 points against St Mary's for +19.

Baugh had 6-4-2 against ASU for +24

They're team possession success numbers....

+/- number of points scored by your team while you were on the floor.

So for the season Memphis has scored 36 more points than their opponents when Baugh was on the floor

And 1 less point than their opponent when Lomax was on the floor.

If you look into the efficiency numbers Alo and Baugh lineups are equal offensively...But Baugh lineups are waaaaaaay better defensively.

So, how'd the guys score out against UCA?

Lomax +9
Baugh +1
Boogie -1

Q, Jeffries, Nolley and Junior + 14
Dandridge +15
Mousa + 8

Crazy stat is Malcolm played 15 minutes but was in 9 different lineups

Alright. Assume this is offense? Any minute I expect that
someone who seems to know nothing but assists to latch on to this matrix for his crusade.... at least for this week

(12-05-2020 03:44 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-05-2020 03:23 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-05-2020 01:00 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-04-2020 07:23 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-04-2020 07:17 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  They're team possession success numbers....

+/- number of points scored by your team while you were on the floor.

So for the season Memphis has scored 36 more points than their opponents when Baugh was on the floor

And 1 less point than their opponent when Lomax was on the floor.

If you look into the efficiency numbers Alo and Baugh lineups are equal offensively...But Baugh lineups are waaaaaaay better defensively.

So, how'd the guys score out against UCA?

Lomax +9
Baugh +1
Boogie -1

Q, Jeffries, Nolley and Junior + 14
Dandridge +15
Mousa + 8

Crazy stat is Malcolm played 15 minutes but was in 9 different lineups

Alright. Assume this is offense? Any minute I expect that
someone who seems to know nothing but assists to latch on to this matrix for his crusade.... at least for this week

This is just strictly points...

When ALo was in the game we scored 9 more points than UCA scored...
Baugh we scored 1 more point than UCA.

But season numbers still definitely favor Baugh...Although Baugh went out early in the 2nd half and I don't think I saw him again.

Interestingly enough Penny mentions plus minus numbers in his postgame as to why he started Junior in the 2nd half...Said Jayden had a positive +/- in the first half and that is why he started him.

(12-05-2020 03:48 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-05-2020 03:44 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-05-2020 03:23 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-05-2020 01:00 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-04-2020 07:23 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  +/- number of points scored by your team while you were on the floor.

So for the season Memphis has scored 36 more points than their opponents when Baugh was on the floor

And 1 less point than their opponent when Lomax was on the floor.

If you look into the efficiency numbers Alo and Baugh lineups are equal offensively...But Baugh lineups are waaaaaaay better defensively.

So, how'd the guys score out against UCA?

Lomax +9
Baugh +1
Boogie -1

Q, Jeffries, Nolley and Junior + 14
Dandridge +15
Mousa + 8

Crazy stat is Malcolm played 15 minutes but was in 9 different lineups

Alright. Assume this is offense? Any minute I expect that
someone who seems to know nothing but assists to latch on to this matrix for his crusade.... at least for this week

This is just strictly points...

When ALo was in the game we scored 9 more points than UCA scored...
Baugh we scored 1 more point than UCA.

But season numbers still definitely favor Baugh...Although Baugh went out early in the 2nd half and I don't think I saw him again.

Interestingly enough Penny mentions plus minus numbers in his postgame as to why he started Junior in the 2nd half...Said Jayden had a positive +/- in the first half and that is why he started him.

Interesting. I thought it was because JR could drive to the basket and play defense.

(12-05-2020 03:44 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-05-2020 03:23 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-05-2020 01:00 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-04-2020 07:23 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-04-2020 07:17 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  They're team possession success numbers....

+/- number of points scored by your team while you were on the floor.

So for the season Memphis has scored 36 more points than their opponents when Baugh was on the floor

And 1 less point than their opponent when Lomax was on the floor.

If you look into the efficiency numbers Alo and Baugh lineups are equal offensively...But Baugh lineups are waaaaaaay better defensively.

So, how'd the guys score out against UCA?

Lomax +9
Baugh +1
Boogie -1

Q, Jeffries, Nolley and Junior + 14
Dandridge +15
Mousa + 8

Crazy stat is Malcolm played 15 minutes but was in 9 different lineups

Alright. Assume this is offense? Any minute I expect that
someone who seems to know nothing but assists to latch on to this matrix for his crusade.... at least for this week

Quote:Assume this is offense?

Q: What poster participates in a debate without understanding the most simple, basic component of the debate, and then stupidly calls out another poster?

A: Atlanta

(12-05-2020 08:28 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-05-2020 03:48 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-05-2020 03:44 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-05-2020 03:23 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-05-2020 01:00 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  So, how'd the guys score out against UCA?

Lomax +9
Baugh +1
Boogie -1

Q, Jeffries, Nolley and Junior + 14
Dandridge +15
Mousa + 8

Crazy stat is Malcolm played 15 minutes but was in 9 different lineups

Alright. Assume this is offense? Any minute I expect that
someone who seems to know nothing but assists to latch on to this matrix for his crusade.... at least for this week

This is just strictly points...

When ALo was in the game we scored 9 more points than UCA scored...
Baugh we scored 1 more point than UCA.

But season numbers still definitely favor Baugh...Although Baugh went out early in the 2nd half and I don't think I saw him again.

Interestingly enough Penny mentions plus minus numbers in his postgame as to why he started Junior in the 2nd half...Said Jayden had a positive +/- in the first half and that is why he started him.

Interesting. I thought it was because JR could drive to the basket and play defense.

When you watch the players "run" the offense, JR and Lomax are often the only two players who run at more than half speed. This is on the players and the coaches.

Well the lot of you guys and all your wisdom regarding players told us that Junior would never contribute in 4 years. That he shouldn't even be a walk-on. So maybe y'all don't know as much as you think?

(12-05-2020 03:23 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-05-2020 01:00 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-04-2020 07:23 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-04-2020 07:17 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-04-2020 07:03 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  How are these numbers generated?

Boogie had 24 points against St Mary's for +19.

Baugh had 6-4-2 against ASU for +24

They're team possession success numbers....

+/- number of points scored by your team while you were on the floor.

So for the season Memphis has scored 36 more points than their opponents when Baugh was on the floor

And 1 less point than their opponent when Lomax was on the floor.

If you look into the efficiency numbers Alo and Baugh lineups are equal offensively...But Baugh lineups are waaaaaaay better defensively.

So, how'd the guys score out against UCA?

Lomax +9
Baugh +1
Boogie -1

Q, Jeffries, Nolley and Junior + 14
Dandridge +15
Mousa + 8

Crazy stat is Malcolm played 15 minutes but was in 9 different lineups

What are Lance's numbers on the year? My wife tells me I nit-pick him. But he drives me crazy.