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RE: [split] Baseball Recruiting 2021 and beyond
(08-05-2022 12:05 PM)Exec_Owl Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 11:57 AM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 05:49 PM)Exec_Owl Wrote:  
(08-03-2022 11:44 AM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(08-02-2022 05:01 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  It's been in the works for awhile. Was supposed to be operational during the baseball season, but never got done. Supposedly, should be ready by the time players return to campus late August/early September. Will measure all the analytics and provide simulation of opposing pitchers.

I'm all for analytics, but they don't replace talent as was demonstrated by the much-hyped pitching lab last season. Recruiting is still the key.

The lab wasn’t a factor last year. It was completed mid February, the staff can’t implement that as a development tool beyond extremely surface level changes. It needs time to collect data before making changes. Everyone wanted immediate changes. Not going to happen for a program like Rice.

All true, but it didn't temper the hype. That's the problem.

Temper the hype? There is reality and there is recruiting material. Strike while the iron is hot for recruiting and have a realistic understanding behind the scenes of what’s happening.

The hype I'm referring to was toward the fan base, not recruits. As I said in the initial post, I'm all for analytics, but the pitching lab was seen by the much of the fan base as a shortcut back to prominence with much of that hype coming from the former pitching coach's numerous tweets. Would have been nice if he also could have done a better job coaching these kids and been smarter with his pitch calling during ball games. I just don't want to see the same happen with the hitting lab. Recruit and coach first. Use analytics to fine tune and improve, but the coaching and talent has to be there.
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RE: [split] Baseball Recruiting 2021 and beyond
(08-05-2022 12:56 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 12:05 PM)Exec_Owl Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 11:57 AM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 05:49 PM)Exec_Owl Wrote:  
(08-03-2022 11:44 AM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  I'm all for analytics, but they don't replace talent as was demonstrated by the much-hyped pitching lab last season. Recruiting is still the key.

The lab wasn’t a factor last year. It was completed mid February, the staff can’t implement that as a development tool beyond extremely surface level changes. It needs time to collect data before making changes. Everyone wanted immediate changes. Not going to happen for a program like Rice.

All true, but it didn't temper the hype. That's the problem.

Temper the hype? There is reality and there is recruiting material. Strike while the iron is hot for recruiting and have a realistic understanding behind the scenes of what’s happening.

The hype I'm referring to was toward the fan base, not recruits. As I said in the initial post, I'm all for analytics, but the pitching lab was seen by the much of the fan base as a shortcut back to prominence with much of that hype coming from the former pitching coach's numerous tweets. Would have been nice if he also could have done a better job coaching these kids and been smarter with his pitch calling during ball games. I just don't want to see the same happen with the hitting lab. Recruit and coach first. Use analytics to fine tune and improve, but the coaching and talent has to be there.

??? What part of the fan base thought the pitching lab was going to be big impact on Year 1 performance, especially since it was not even operational until a couple weeks before the regular season commenced (after Fall Ball and most of Spring intrasquads)? And the majority of Bostick's tweets were aimed at recruits.
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RE: [split] Baseball Recruiting 2021 and beyond
(08-05-2022 03:44 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 12:56 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 12:05 PM)Exec_Owl Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 11:57 AM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 05:49 PM)Exec_Owl Wrote:  The lab wasn’t a factor last year. It was completed mid February, the staff can’t implement that as a development tool beyond extremely surface level changes. It needs time to collect data before making changes. Everyone wanted immediate changes. Not going to happen for a program like Rice.

All true, but it didn't temper the hype. That's the problem.

Temper the hype? There is reality and there is recruiting material. Strike while the iron is hot for recruiting and have a realistic understanding behind the scenes of what’s happening.

The hype I'm referring to was toward the fan base, not recruits. As I said in the initial post, I'm all for analytics, but the pitching lab was seen by the much of the fan base as a shortcut back to prominence with much of that hype coming from the former pitching coach's numerous tweets. Would have been nice if he also could have done a better job coaching these kids and been smarter with his pitch calling during ball games. I just don't want to see the same happen with the hitting lab. Recruit and coach first. Use analytics to fine tune and improve, but the coaching and talent has to be there.

??? What part of the fan base thought the pitching lab was going to be big impact on Year 1 performance, especially since it was not even operational until a couple weeks before the regular season commenced (after Fall Ball and most of Spring intrasquads)? And the majority of Bostick's tweets were aimed at recruits.

Go back and re-read the pitching lab thread to refresh your memory.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-940721.html

A few tidbits...

"Colter Bostick gave me a personal tour of the lab just before the bullpens this afternoon. Cameras are situated all around the lab, and the plates underneath the mound capture energy, torque, etc. Pitchers can see all Trackman data (velocity, spin rate, etc.) real time after each pitch. Bostick will get printouts of each pitchers analytics and video after each workout and will prepare ongoing reports for each pitcher (including whether tweaks in mechanics and delivery are recommended). The analytics measure motion and movements down to the fingertips. It is one awesome facility.

Though he's obviously biased, Bostick believes our conditioning program for pitchers is already second to none in college baseball. Some of you have read that in just the last week both Arkansas and USC last their staff ace and Friday starter to Tommy John Surgery. Tennessee just lost one of their weekend starter today.
Typically, 2 -3 pitchers come down with some type of injury or soreness during Fall Ball. We had none. Brogdon was injured over the Summer, which is why he didn't participate in Fall Ball, but Bostick says he's not only fully healthy, but looking really, really good, and promised he'd be ready for UT. Cooper Chandler (the RHP transfer from Pepperdine) tweaked his oblique, but is now fine. Everyone on the staff has improved their velocity between 2 - 4 MPH from the time they arrived on campus in late August.

They've already started game-planning for the season opener (down to how we're going to pitch to each batter), and Colter is confident we're going to be very competitive against him. The entire team is primed to take down the pre-season #1."

and

"I think I just teared up a little!!!"

but there were also some doses of reality...

"Seriously wondering will this help better than that digital QB thingy football spent all that money on a few years ago? Seems we haven't hear much about that technology recently. Does it work to make our football play better, or it does work and we'd be even worse without it? {shudder} Hope this one will help more, but then I have a lot more faith in the baseball program still than in football. Please, Coach Cruz, Jr., do your best, and then some. Go Owls."

and

"The lab is not making a bad pitcher good."
08-05-2022 04:26 PM
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RE: [split] Baseball Recruiting 2021 and beyond
(08-05-2022 04:26 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 03:44 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 12:56 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 12:05 PM)Exec_Owl Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 11:57 AM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  All true, but it didn't temper the hype. That's the problem.

Temper the hype? There is reality and there is recruiting material. Strike while the iron is hot for recruiting and have a realistic understanding behind the scenes of what’s happening.

The hype I'm referring to was toward the fan base, not recruits. As I said in the initial post, I'm all for analytics, but the pitching lab was seen by the much of the fan base as a shortcut back to prominence with much of that hype coming from the former pitching coach's numerous tweets. Would have been nice if he also could have done a better job coaching these kids and been smarter with his pitch calling during ball games. I just don't want to see the same happen with the hitting lab. Recruit and coach first. Use analytics to fine tune and improve, but the coaching and talent has to be there.

??? What part of the fan base thought the pitching lab was going to be big impact on Year 1 performance, especially since it was not even operational until a couple weeks before the regular season commenced (after Fall Ball and most of Spring intrasquads)? And the majority of Bostick's tweets were aimed at recruits.

Go back and re-read the pitching lab thread to refresh your memory.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-940721.html

A few tidbits...

"Colter Bostick gave me a personal tour of the lab just before the bullpens this afternoon. Cameras are situated all around the lab, and the plates underneath the mound capture energy, torque, etc. Pitchers can see all Trackman data (velocity, spin rate, etc.) real time after each pitch. Bostick will get printouts of each pitchers analytics and video after each workout and will prepare ongoing reports for each pitcher (including whether tweaks in mechanics and delivery are recommended). The analytics measure motion and movements down to the fingertips. It is one awesome facility.

Though he's obviously biased, Bostick believes our conditioning program for pitchers is already second to none in college baseball. Some of you have read that in just the last week both Arkansas and USC last their staff ace and Friday starter to Tommy John Surgery. Tennessee just lost one of their weekend starter today.
Typically, 2 -3 pitchers come down with some type of injury or soreness during Fall Ball. We had none. Brogdon was injured over the Summer, which is why he didn't participate in Fall Ball, but Bostick says he's not only fully healthy, but looking really, really good, and promised he'd be ready for UT. Cooper Chandler (the RHP transfer from Pepperdine) tweaked his oblique, but is now fine. Everyone on the staff has improved their velocity between 2 - 4 MPH from the time they arrived on campus in late August.

They've already started game-planning for the season opener (down to how we're going to pitch to each batter), and Colter is confident we're going to be very competitive against him. The entire team is primed to take down the pre-season #1."

and

"I think I just teared up a little!!!"

but there were also some doses of reality...

"Seriously wondering will this help better than that digital QB thingy football spent all that money on a few years ago? Seems we haven't hear much about that technology recently. Does it work to make our football play better, or it does work and we'd be even worse without it? {shudder} Hope this one will help more, but then I have a lot more faith in the baseball program still than in football. Please, Coach Cruz, Jr., do your best, and then some. Go Owls."

and

"The lab is not making a bad pitcher good."

And where in all of that does it infer that it will have an immediate, Year 1 impact on performance?
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RE: [split] Baseball Recruiting 2021 and beyond
(08-05-2022 12:56 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 12:05 PM)Exec_Owl Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 11:57 AM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 05:49 PM)Exec_Owl Wrote:  
(08-03-2022 11:44 AM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  I'm all for analytics, but they don't replace talent as was demonstrated by the much-hyped pitching lab last season. Recruiting is still the key.

The lab wasn’t a factor last year. It was completed mid February, the staff can’t implement that as a development tool beyond extremely surface level changes. It needs time to collect data before making changes. Everyone wanted immediate changes. Not going to happen for a program like Rice.

All true, but it didn't temper the hype. That's the problem.

Temper the hype? There is reality and there is recruiting material. Strike while the iron is hot for recruiting and have a realistic understanding behind the scenes of what’s happening.

The hype I'm referring to was toward the fan base, not recruits. As I said in the initial post, I'm all for analytics, but the pitching lab was seen by the much of the fan base as a shortcut back to prominence with much of that hype coming from the former pitching coach's numerous tweets. Would have been nice if he also could have done a better job coaching these kids and been smarter with his pitch calling during ball games. I just don't want to see the same happen with the hitting lab. Recruit and coach first. Use analytics to fine tune and improve, but the coaching and talent has to be there.

Sounds like the stupidity of an unrealistic fan base. Also, Bostick barely called pitches, Cruz was calling the pitches the majority of the season. The team struggled across all areas of the game. The lack of injuries, the underrated performances against a top 30 schedule despite almost no offensive output, I’d say he did a decent job with what he had. Pretty bold and idiotic to place the blame on just him. I think that has actually hurt the program in the long run when they let go of him with the recruits we lost, the 2 big pieces leaving and no energy on the recruiting side. Either understand what the process needs to be or abandon all hope. Rice isn’t the kind of program that can just turn things around. Too many impediments in the way of speed.
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RE: [split] Baseball Recruiting 2021 and beyond
(08-06-2022 03:43 PM)Exec_Owl Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 12:56 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 12:05 PM)Exec_Owl Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 11:57 AM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 05:49 PM)Exec_Owl Wrote:  The lab wasn’t a factor last year. It was completed mid February, the staff can’t implement that as a development tool beyond extremely surface level changes. It needs time to collect data before making changes. Everyone wanted immediate changes. Not going to happen for a program like Rice.

All true, but it didn't temper the hype. That's the problem.

Temper the hype? There is reality and there is recruiting material. Strike while the iron is hot for recruiting and have a realistic understanding behind the scenes of what’s happening.

The hype I'm referring to was toward the fan base, not recruits. As I said in the initial post, I'm all for analytics, but the pitching lab was seen by the much of the fan base as a shortcut back to prominence with much of that hype coming from the former pitching coach's numerous tweets. Would have been nice if he also could have done a better job coaching these kids and been smarter with his pitch calling during ball games. I just don't want to see the same happen with the hitting lab. Recruit and coach first. Use analytics to fine tune and improve, but the coaching and talent has to be there.

Sounds like the stupidity of an unrealistic fan base. Also, Bostick barely called pitches, Cruz was calling the pitches the majority of the season. The team struggled across all areas of the game. The lack of injuries, the underrated performances against a top 30 schedule despite almost no offensive output, I’d say he did a decent job with what he had. Pretty bold and idiotic to place the blame on just him. I think that has actually hurt the program in the long run when they let go of him with the recruits we lost, the 2 big pieces leaving and no energy on the recruiting side. Either understand what the process needs to be or abandon all hope. Rice isn’t the kind of program that can just turn things around. Too many impediments in the way of speed.

I’ve been a season ticket holder since before Reckling was built, so please, no lectures about the “impediments” Rice faces.

And calling the Owl fan base stupid won’t win you any points either.

Kudos to Chieto for recognizing his mistake and cutting ties with Bostik. Bostik seemed more into self-promotion than coaching kids, and I suspect he was glad to move on.

Recruit, coach, repeat.
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With O-Week starting on Sunday, it would appear that our hope of landing a truly impactful transfer has ended. I am more than a it shocked and disappointed we were unable to get a proven right-handed hitter out of the portal. (I know we were close to landing a good one from Tulane, but he elected to return to Tulane.)

David Shaw remains the lone Rice transfer who has landed. I wonder if any of the others wants to or is allowed to return to Rice. Woodcox is the only one of any consequence and upside potential, but from what I've hears I think he's burned his bridges at Rice.
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(08-09-2022 07:44 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  With O-Week starting on Sunday, it would appear that our hope of landing a truly impactful transfer has ended. I am more than a it shocked and disappointed we were unable to get a proven right-handed hitter out of the portal. (I know we were close to landing a good one from Tulane, but he elected to return to Tulane.)

David Shaw remains the lone Rice transfer who has landed. I wonder if any of the others wants to or is allowed to return to Rice. Woodcox is the only one of any consequence and upside potential, but from what I've hears I think he's burned his bridges at Rice.

I think the cost of attendance coupled with NIL options elsewhere are going to continue to hamper Rice. You can't keep increasing tuition yearly and expect the partial scholarship sports to keep up. You end up with having players from the wealthy (tuition doesn't matter) to the lower income (Rice Investment kicks in). Not that this is not an option/strategy but it does limit the net you can cast. This is not just a Rice problem but it does lead to players in the portal having other options. IMO.
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