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Coaching changes 2020-21- it's not done yet!!!!
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Any chances Vanderbilt hires Will Muschamp? He has SEC experience.
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(11-29-2020 02:54 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Any chances Vanderbilt hires Will Muschamp? He has SEC experience.

I imagine our d coordinator is the first call. He is a Vandy alum.
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(11-29-2020 02:54 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Any chances Vanderbilt hires Will Muschamp? He has SEC experience.

If we hire Muschamp, I will, nude, strap myself to the top of Kirkland Hall in the heart of the VU campus and set myself on fire in protest.
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(11-29-2020 02:08 PM)stever20 Wrote:  saw this-


I guess playing the female kicker didn't save his job.
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(11-29-2020 03:20 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(11-29-2020 02:54 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Any chances Vanderbilt hires Will Muschamp? He has SEC experience.

If we hire Muschamp, I will, nude, strap myself to the top of Kirkland Hall in the heart of the VU campus and set myself on fire in protest.

You sound like you have some strong feelings on this topic.

Maybe Penn St will fire Franklin and Vanderbilt can take him back.
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(11-29-2020 03:31 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(11-29-2020 03:20 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(11-29-2020 02:54 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Any chances Vanderbilt hires Will Muschamp? He has SEC experience.

If we hire Muschamp, I will, nude, strap myself to the top of Kirkland Hall in the heart of the VU campus and set myself on fire in protest.

You sound like you have some strong feelings on this topic.

Maybe Penn St will fire Franklin and Vanderbilt can take him back.





Strong feelings, indeed, F-Muskie. I've noted on this board previously that I do not feel Derek Mason deserved to be dismissed. He loves the program, the university and the city. He was a strong ambassador for all three (more effective in that role than many other coaches who have more on-field success). He truly is a very positive man with strong karma. I will miss him.

I could actually get on board with VU bringing back Jim Franklin — but the chances of that are essentially nil.

Regardless of whom the university hires (Clark Lea at Notre Dame was born here in Nashville and played at VU; he seems an outstanding candidate on paper), the university is highly unlikely to make a financial commitment to the football program. It rarely (if ever) has. Our stadium needs a massive overhaul and that is probably not going to happen.

After being so pleased to see Sarah Fuller make history yesterday, we fire Derek today. It's not easy being a Vanderbilt football fan.
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(11-29-2020 05:47 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(11-29-2020 03:31 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(11-29-2020 03:20 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(11-29-2020 02:54 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Any chances Vanderbilt hires Will Muschamp? He has SEC experience.

If we hire Muschamp, I will, nude, strap myself to the top of Kirkland Hall in the heart of the VU campus and set myself on fire in protest.

You sound like you have some strong feelings on this topic.

Maybe Penn St will fire Franklin and Vanderbilt can take him back.





Strong feelings, indeed, F-Muskie. I've noted on this board previously that I do not feel Derek Mason deserved to be dismissed. He loves the program, the university and the city. He was a strong ambassador for all three (more effective in that role than many other coaches who have more on-field success). He truly is a very positive man with strong karma. I will miss him.

I could actually get on board with VU bringing back Jim Franklin — but the chances of that are essentially nil.

Regardless of whom the university hires (Clark Lea at Notre Dame was born here in Nashville and played at VU; he seems an outstanding candidate on paper), the university is highly unlikely to make a financial commitment to the football program. It rarely (if ever) has. Our stadium needs a massive overhaul and that is probably not going to happen.

After being so pleased to see Sarah Fuller make history yesterday, we fire Derek today. It's not easy being a Vanderbilt football fan.

Franklin is trash. He did not represent Vanderbilt well. Charged after a UGA player after a game and had to be pulled away from a fight with a UGA assistant. Was uncooperative in the rape investigation at Vanderbilt. Has similar things at Penn St.

He is one of the last people I would hire.
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Harbaugh may be a choice. He did better with Stanford than Michigan in recruiting. I think he gets how to recruit an Academics first school, but struggles going for the 5 star Football first guys.
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(11-29-2020 08:13 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Harbaugh may be a choice. He did better with Stanford than Michigan in recruiting. I think he gets how to recruit an Academics first school, but struggles going for the 5 star Football first guys.

Interesting thought- but competing in the SEC is a whole another planet compared to the Pac 12.
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(11-29-2020 08:13 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Harbaugh may be a choice. He did better with Stanford than Michigan in recruiting.

Did Harbaugh do that? At least some of the key people who recruited for Stanford when Harbaugh was there are still there, so maybe they deserve the credit. Also, query whether recruiting is really the main problem at Michigan.
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The toughest football job in the SEC, without question. Not impossible, but a lot has to go right to be successful there.

Clark Lea reminds me of Pat Fitzgerald’s placement at Northwestern. Young, alum, from the area, defensive specialist and has a strong history of success coaching defense. However, the last DC hired as a head coach from ND did not fair well at all. You could say he encountered a disastrous ConnFLict.
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(11-30-2020 12:01 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  The toughest football job in the SEC, without question. Not impossible, but a lot has to go right to be successful there.

Clark Lea reminds me of Pat Fitzgerald’s placement at Northwestern. Young, alum, from the area, defensive specialist and has a strong history of success coaching defense. However, the last DC hired as a head coach from ND did not fair well at all. You could say he encountered a disastrous ConnFLict.

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(11-30-2020 12:01 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  The toughest football job in the SEC, without question. Not impossible, but a lot has to go right to be successful there.

Clark Lea reminds me of Pat Fitzgerald’s placement at Northwestern. Young, alum, from the area, defensive specialist and has a strong history of success coaching defense. However, the last DC hired as a head coach from ND did not fair well at all. You could say he encountered a disastrous ConnFLict.

True about Diaco, but coaches are individuals from unique backgrounds. Just because a lot of New England Patriots assistants have flopped elsewhere didn't mean that Brian Flores was doomed to fail, in fact he's doing a good job with the Dolphins. Also throw in that Kelly has some previous assistants who've had success (Butch Jones, Matt Lefluer, Chuck Martin) and coming from ND shouldn't give any reason for pause.

Vandy was able to benefit from a weak East during a chunk of the 2010s, traditional powers like Florida and Tennessee were down and that impacts them quite a bit. Once Georgia, UF, and even Kentucky started on their way up it really makes things difficult on them beyond their current limitations. They need to make a good hire obviously, but also need to bring facilities on par with the likes of Northwestern and schedule cupcakes in non-conference play so it only takes a couple SEC wins to go bowling. Its not a great recipe, but if they play the same game as their SEC peers they'll lose every time.
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(11-29-2020 07:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(11-29-2020 05:47 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(11-29-2020 03:31 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(11-29-2020 03:20 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(11-29-2020 02:54 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Any chances Vanderbilt hires Will Muschamp? He has SEC experience.

If we hire Muschamp, I will, nude, strap myself to the top of Kirkland Hall in the heart of the VU campus and set myself on fire in protest.

You sound like you have some strong feelings on this topic.

Maybe Penn St will fire Franklin and Vanderbilt can take him back.





Strong feelings, indeed, F-Muskie. I've noted on this board previously that I do not feel Derek Mason deserved to be dismissed. He loves the program, the university and the city. He was a strong ambassador for all three (more effective in that role than many other coaches who have more on-field success). He truly is a very positive man with strong karma. I will miss him.

I could actually get on board with VU bringing back Jim Franklin — but the chances of that are essentially nil.

Regardless of whom the university hires (Clark Lea at Notre Dame was born here in Nashville and played at VU; he seems an outstanding candidate on paper), the university is highly unlikely to make a financial commitment to the football program. It rarely (if ever) has. Our stadium needs a massive overhaul and that is probably not going to happen.

After being so pleased to see Sarah Fuller make history yesterday, we fire Derek today. It's not easy being a Vanderbilt football fan.

Franklin is trash. He did not represent Vanderbilt well. Charged after a UGA player after a game and had to be pulled away from a fight with a UGA assistant. Was uncooperative in the rape investigation at Vanderbilt. Has similar things at Penn St.

He is one of the last people I would hire.


As I have noted on this board previously, Franklin has his negatives. But he also brought various positives to the table when he was at Vanderbilt (positives that went beyond winning). He had a close friendship (still does) with baseball coach Tim Corbin, which helped the football program in various ways with donors and the Nashville business community. He also was the first VU coach to actively attempt to diversify our football fan base home game attendance (notwithstanding our already diverse student population) and was rather successful at that.

I saw the Georgia incident. While embarrassing for Franklin, I don't recall that as being fully his fault.

Still, you are correct. He has baggage.

It's moot. Neither VU nor JF is interested.
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(11-30-2020 09:02 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(11-30-2020 12:01 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  The toughest football job in the SEC, without question. Not impossible, but a lot has to go right to be successful there.

Clark Lea reminds me of Pat Fitzgerald’s placement at Northwestern. Young, alum, from the area, defensive specialist and has a strong history of success coaching defense. However, the last DC hired as a head coach from ND did not fair well at all. You could say he encountered a disastrous ConnFLict.

True about Diaco, but coaches are individuals from unique backgrounds. Just because a lot of New England Patriots assistants have flopped elsewhere didn't mean that Brian Flores was doomed to fail, in fact he's doing a good job with the Dolphins. Also throw in that Kelly has some previous assistants who've had success (Butch Jones, Matt Lefluer, Chuck Martin) and coming from ND shouldn't give any reason for pause.

Vandy was able to benefit from a weak East during a chunk of the 2010s, traditional powers like Florida and Tennessee were down and that impacts them quite a bit. Once Georgia, UF, and even Kentucky started on their way up it really makes things difficult on them beyond their current limitations. They need to make a good hire obviously, but also need to bring facilities on par with the likes of Northwestern and schedule cupcakes in non-conference play so it only takes a couple SEC wins to go bowling. Its not a great recipe, but if they play the same game as their SEC peers they'll lose every time.

It doesn't mean that you are doomed to fail, but - if you are an AD or GM - why would you take a chance on a gamble that has repeatedly shown itself to fail more way more than it has succeeded?

Looking at Kelly's assistants that became head coaches:
Brian VanGorder, 19-25 (at Wayne State and Georgia Southern)
Jeff Quinn, 20-36 (at Buffalo)
Chuck Martin 106-53 (at Grand Valley State and Miami; 32-46 at Miami)
Bob Diaco 11-26 (at UConn)
Mike Sanford 9-16 (at Western Kentucky)
Matt LaFleur 20-6 (at Green Bay)

If I'm an AD, I notice that every single one of Kelly's assistants that have become FBS head coaches have losing records, with majority of them getting fired within four years. Martin does have tremendous success thanks to his tenure at Grand Valley State, but is 14 games under .500 at Miami. LaFleur is an NFL coach, which is nice, but as far as building a competitive and sustainable FBS program, I don't look at Kelly's assistants as being highly sought after.

To the point about Belichick, let's also take a look at his assistants that got head jobs that ended up getting fired with little-to-no success:

Charlie Weis (Notre Dame)
Romeo Crennel (Cleveland and Kansas City)
Josh McDaniels (Denver)
Eric Mangini (New York Jets and Cleveland)
Jim Schwartz (Detroit)
Bill O'Brien (Houston)
Matt Patricia (Detroit)

IMO, the strongest coaching tree within the NFL is Andy Reid's, as two of his assistants have won Super Bowls and many of his assistants have had sustainable runs as head coaches. At the college level, it is undoubtedly Saban, although his has been propped-up in recent years with retreads going to serve as assistants until getting another opportunity (I anticipate Sarkisian, Butch Jones, Charlie Strong, and/or Major Applewhite to eventually get another gig at some point).

For Vanderbilt, I can definitely get on the Clark Lea connection due to reasons previously mentioned. None of Kelly's former assistants that became head coaches had the same connection to a school that Lea would have.
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what is funny about Belichick- the 2 guys that were lesser heralded seem to be doing a pretty good job- Joe Judge with the Giants and Brian Flores with the Dolphins. It's been the bigger name guys that just didn't do well at all.
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Vanderbilt should target the Jacksonville jaguars head coach
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(11-30-2020 10:29 AM)stever20 Wrote:  what is funny about Belichick- the 2 guys that were lesser heralded seem to be doing a pretty good job- Joe Judge with the Giants and Brian Flores with the Dolphins. It's been the bigger name guys that just didn't do well at all.

It's also Judge's first season and Flores' second season. Let's see what both can do when they are in their third and fourth seasons.

If history from the other Belichick disciples is any indication, both coaches will use this season's momentum and success and attempt to turn that into more control over the roster and personnel decisions. Each and every Belichick coach gets into trouble when they go down this path. If Judge and Flores can stick to coaching and stay away from the roster management ambitions, I think both have the opportunity to stick around much longer.
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(11-30-2020 10:34 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Vanderbilt should target the Jacksonville jaguars head coach

Seeing Jeff Fisher's name being tossed around by some fans on Twitter. I suppose that would be similar to Lovie Smith/Illinois, and going .500 at Vanderbilt would be an accomplishment in itself I guess. What is the equivalent of 7-9 at the college level? 5-7?
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