(01-18-2021 12:45 PM)Realignment Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:38 PM)Realignment Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:34 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:32 PM)Realignment Wrote:  Oh! Do tell! And who takes this job? It's a premiere job in the SEC.

I don't think it's a premiere job at all in the SEC any longer. I don't know that it's a top half job any longer.

It is. You can turn the Tennessee program around and that'll make headlines. I'm not sure who they'll go after though. Try to lure Mike Gundy away again? Coach from Louisiana? Coach from Coastal Carolina? Doc Holliday? lol

It's at best the #5 job in the SEC- behind Georgia, Florida, Alabama, and LSU.

It's still a Top 25 job in all of College Football.

much closer to 25 than it is 10 even. And there are what 66 P5 schools so being around #25 is pretty much right in the middle. Hardly premiere.

(01-18-2021 12:12 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The coaching carrousel isn't done yet-

Bombshell, even though this has been rumored for weeks. UT has had a revolving door of football coaches and ADs since Fulmer stepped down in 2008.

Hugh Freeze has to be the immediate favorite.

saw a great point that given how Tennessee might be in some NCAA trouble- hiring Freeze might not be the smartest thing given how his tenure at Ole Miss ended.

(01-18-2021 12:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  It's at best the #5 job in the SEC- behind Georgia, Florida, Alabama, and LSU.

That's like saying you're the 5th best Ivy League school in academics.

(01-18-2021 12:53 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  It's at best the #5 job in the SEC- behind Georgia, Florida, Alabama, and LSU.

That's like saying you're the 5th best Ivy League school in academics.

Like I said it's at best. I'd put Texas A&M over them. It's a top 21-25 type job in the country which hardly is great.

(01-18-2021 12:55 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:53 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  It's at best the #5 job in the SEC- behind Georgia, Florida, Alabama, and LSU.

That's like saying you're the 5th best Ivy League school in academics.

Like I said it's at best. I'd put Texas A&M over them. It's a top 21-25 type job in the country which hardly is great.

That would put it in the top 1/4 of jobs. I'd take it.

(01-18-2021 12:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:12 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The coaching carrousel isn't done yet-

Bombshell, even though this has been rumored for weeks. UT has had a revolving door of football coaches and ADs since Fulmer stepped down in 2008.

Hugh Freeze has to be the immediate favorite.

saw a great point that given how Tennessee might be in some NCAA trouble- hiring Freeze might not be the smartest thing given how his tenure at Ole Miss ended.

It’s possible by Tennessee giving the hammer to its own football program, the NCAA doesn’t give it additional penalties. As to Freeze, his tenure at Ole Miss ended five years ago. He has, by all accounts, run a clean program at Liberty. If Tennessee doesn’t at least inquire on Freeze, I would be surprised.

It will be interesting if they hire an AD or a football coach first. I don’t think they can wait around for an AD search to be conducted. Those often take months.

(01-18-2021 01:14 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:55 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:53 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  It's at best the #5 job in the SEC- behind Georgia, Florida, Alabama, and LSU.

That's like saying you're the 5th best Ivy League school in academics.

Like I said it's at best. I'd put Texas A&M over them. It's a top 21-25 type job in the country which hardly is great.

That would put it in the top 1/4 of jobs. I'd take it.

But there are only 66 p5 jobs. 25/66 isn't even in the top third.

(01-18-2021 12:48 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:45 PM)Realignment Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:38 PM)Realignment Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:34 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't think it's a premiere job at all in the SEC any longer. I don't know that it's a top half job any longer.

It is. You can turn the Tennessee program around and that'll make headlines. I'm not sure who they'll go after though. Try to lure Mike Gundy away again? Coach from Louisiana? Coach from Coastal Carolina? Doc Holliday? lol

It's at best the #5 job in the SEC- behind Georgia, Florida, Alabama, and LSU.

It's still a Top 25 job in all of College Football.

much closer to 25 than it is 10 even. And there are what 66 P5 schools so being around #25 is pretty much right in the middle. Hardly premiere.

Its a top 15 job. Prior to the latest performance nosedive, they regularly competed for the highest attendance in all college football. Now they are down to average a mere 85,000 or so.

(01-18-2021 12:55 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:53 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  It's at best the #5 job in the SEC- behind Georgia, Florida, Alabama, and LSU.

That's like saying you're the 5th best Ivy League school in academics.

Like I said it's at best. I'd put Texas A&M over them. It's a top 21-25 type job in the country which hardly is great.

A&M finished ranked #4 this year. It was the first time since 1957 A&M has been in the final top 5. Tennessee is a better job.

(01-18-2021 01:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:48 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:45 PM)Realignment Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:38 PM)Realignment Wrote:  It is. You can turn the Tennessee program around and that'll make headlines. I'm not sure who they'll go after though. Try to lure Mike Gundy away again? Coach from Louisiana? Coach from Coastal Carolina? Doc Holliday? lol

It's at best the #5 job in the SEC- behind Georgia, Florida, Alabama, and LSU.

It's still a Top 25 job in all of College Football.

much closer to 25 than it is 10 even. And there are what 66 P5 schools so being around #25 is pretty much right in the middle. Hardly premiere.

Its a top 15 job. Prior to the latest performance nosedive, they regularly competed for the highest attendance in all college football. Now they are down to average a mere 85,000 or so.

Generally speaking you are right about it’s place in the hierarchy- but with the recruiting scandal unfolding (and who knows what punishment will be received, couple with paying a couple buyouts (Pruitt and Butch Jones), the job is actually knocked down a couple pegs for the time being.

(01-18-2021 01:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:48 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:45 PM)Realignment Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:38 PM)Realignment Wrote:  It is. You can turn the Tennessee program around and that'll make headlines. I'm not sure who they'll go after though. Try to lure Mike Gundy away again? Coach from Louisiana? Coach from Coastal Carolina? Doc Holliday? lol

It's at best the #5 job in the SEC- behind Georgia, Florida, Alabama, and LSU.

It's still a Top 25 job in all of College Football.

much closer to 25 than it is 10 even. And there are what 66 P5 schools so being around #25 is pretty much right in the middle. Hardly premiere.

Its a top 15 job. Prior to the latest performance nosedive, they regularly competed for the highest attendance in all college football. Now they are down to average a mere 85,000 or so.

even Top 15 isn't premiere.

(01-18-2021 12:34 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:32 PM)Realignment Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

Oh! Do tell! And who takes this job? It's a premiere job in the SEC.

I don't think it's a premiere job at all in the SEC any longer. I don't know that it's a top half job any longer.

Tennessee's 10 year trailing average Sagarin rating puts them at #40 in the FBS. The only SEC schools with a worse rating are Kentucky and Vanderbilt, though the Vols are about on a par with Ole Miss and Arkansas by that measure.

To the extent that it could be called a premier job, it's only because they are in the SEC, not because their performance warrants it.

(01-18-2021 01:26 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 01:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:48 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:45 PM)Realignment Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  It's at best the #5 job in the SEC- behind Georgia, Florida, Alabama, and LSU.

It's still a Top 25 job in all of College Football.

much closer to 25 than it is 10 even. And there are what 66 P5 schools so being around #25 is pretty much right in the middle. Hardly premiere.

Its a top 15 job. Prior to the latest performance nosedive, they regularly competed for the highest attendance in all college football. Now they are down to average a mere 85,000 or so.

Generally speaking you are right about it’s place in the hierarchy- but with the recruiting scandal unfolding (and who knows what punishment will be received, couple with paying a couple buyouts (Pruitt and Butch Jones), the job is actually knocked down a couple pegs for the time being.

last 50 years they're #18 in wins- #6 in the SEC behind Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Auburn, and LSU.

From 1869-1970 they were #13 in wins and #2 in the SEC behind only Alabama(and only 9 wins behind Alabama).

(01-18-2021 12:38 PM)Realignment Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:34 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:32 PM)Realignment Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

Oh! Do tell! And who takes this job? It's a premiere job in the SEC.

I don't think it's a premiere job at all in the SEC any longer. I don't know that it's a top half job any longer.

It is. You can turn the Tennessee program around and that'll make headlines. I'm not sure who they'll go after though. Try to lure Mike Gundy away again? Coach from Louisiana? Coach from Coastal Carolina? Doc Holliday? lol

Fisher, Marrone, Bieniemy? Caldwell if Manning has an influence?

(01-18-2021 01:30 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 01:26 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 01:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:48 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:45 PM)Realignment Wrote:  It's still a Top 25 job in all of College Football.

much closer to 25 than it is 10 even. And there are what 66 P5 schools so being around #25 is pretty much right in the middle. Hardly premiere.

Its a top 15 job. Prior to the latest performance nosedive, they regularly competed for the highest attendance in all college football. Now they are down to average a mere 85,000 or so.

Generally speaking you are right about it’s place in the hierarchy- but with the recruiting scandal unfolding (and who knows what punishment will be received, couple with paying a couple buyouts (Pruitt and Butch Jones), the job is actually knocked down a couple pegs for the time being.

last 50 years they're #18 in wins- #6 in the SEC behind Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Auburn, and LSU.

From 1869-1970 they were #13 in wins and #2 in the SEC behind only Alabama(and only 9 wins behind Alabama).

Their win% in conference games in the 16 years starting in 2005 ranks them #10 in the SEC. At some point, you are what your record says you are. What you can say about the Vols is that they used to be a premier program.

If the administration knew this was possible, why did UT approve the hiring of Kevin Steele?

(01-18-2021 01:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:48 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:45 PM)Realignment Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:38 PM)Realignment Wrote:  It is. You can turn the Tennessee program around and that'll make headlines. I'm not sure who they'll go after though. Try to lure Mike Gundy away again? Coach from Louisiana? Coach from Coastal Carolina? Doc Holliday? lol

It's at best the #5 job in the SEC- behind Georgia, Florida, Alabama, and LSU.

It's still a Top 25 job in all of College Football.

much closer to 25 than it is 10 even. And there are what 66 P5 schools so being around #25 is pretty much right in the middle. Hardly premiere.

Its a top 15 job. Prior to the latest performance nosedive, they regularly competed for the highest attendance in all college football. Now they are down to average a mere 85,000 or so.

The last time they were nationally relevant was before today’s recruits were born. That’s not a top 15 job by any stretch of the imagination.

(01-18-2021 02:41 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 01:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:48 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:45 PM)Realignment Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  It's at best the #5 job in the SEC- behind Georgia, Florida, Alabama, and LSU.

It's still a Top 25 job in all of College Football.

much closer to 25 than it is 10 even. And there are what 66 P5 schools so being around #25 is pretty much right in the middle. Hardly premiere.

Its a top 15 job. Prior to the latest performance nosedive, they regularly competed for the highest attendance in all college football. Now they are down to average a mere 85,000 or so.

The last time they were nationally relevant was before today’s recruits were born. That’s not a top 15 job by any stretch of the imagination.

It's like the Indiana basketball head coaching job. It pays really well but is incredibly tough because there are a lot of loud boosters who have unrealistic expectations of winning big every year even though things are not the way they were in the program 20, 30, or 40 years ago or whenever they won really big.

And good luck to anyone who takes that job before Tennessee hires an AD, in which case the new coach will have no idea whether the new AD will have his back, or will be trying to knife him in the back to curry favor with those boosters.

(01-18-2021 01:29 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:34 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:32 PM)Realignment Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 12:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

Oh! Do tell! And who takes this job? It's a premiere job in the SEC.

I don't think it's a premiere job at all in the SEC any longer. I don't know that it's a top half job any longer.

Tennessee's 10 year trailing average Sagarin rating puts them at #40 in the FBS. The only SEC schools with a worse rating are Kentucky and Vanderbilt, though the Vols are about on a par with Ole Miss and Arkansas by that measure.

To the extent that it could be called a premier job, it's only because they are in the SEC, not because their performance warrants it.

Alabama in the 10 years prior to Nick Saban 67-55 and only 5 seasons with winning records. And when you drop forfeits, its 50-55 with 4 seasons with winning records.

Yet they were always a top 10 job.