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No to Jeff Fisher. No. No. No.
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(11-30-2020 12:17 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(11-30-2020 10:34 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Vanderbilt should target the Jacksonville jaguars head coach

Seeing Jeff Fisher's name being tossed around by some fans on Twitter. I suppose that would be similar to Lovie Smith/Illinois, and going .500 at Vanderbilt would be an accomplishment in itself I guess. What is the equivalent of 7-9 at the college level? 5-7?

I don't think 5-7 keep you employed in CFB long term, even at Vandy. As a point of reference, Mason went 6-7, 5-7 and 6-7 in 2016, 2017 and 2018. Winning 5-6 games every year at Vandy is really difficult, you have to schedule and win 4 OOC games plus take 1-2 within the conference. You aren't going to see Tennessee at the low they were during those years more often than not, so one SEC is what you will see most years (and many times zero).
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(11-30-2020 12:48 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(11-30-2020 12:17 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(11-30-2020 10:34 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Vanderbilt should target the Jacksonville jaguars head coach

Seeing Jeff Fisher's name being tossed around by some fans on Twitter. I suppose that would be similar to Lovie Smith/Illinois, and going .500 at Vanderbilt would be an accomplishment in itself I guess. What is the equivalent of 7-9 at the college level? 5-7?

I don't think 5-7 keep you employed in CFB long term, even at Vandy. As a point of reference, Mason went 6-7, 5-7 and 6-7 in 2016, 2017 and 2018. Winning 5-6 games every year at Vandy is really difficult, you have to schedule and win 4 OOC games plus take 1-2 within the conference. You aren't going to see Tennessee at the low they were during those years more often than not, so one SEC is what you will see most years (and many times zero).


The general goal for VU football each year is to win three of the four non-league games, two of the six SEC East games and one of the two SEC West games. OR to win all four non-leagues games and two of the six SEC East games. Winning three of the six SEC East games is difficult because you can put down Florida and Georgia as losses before the season starts. But it is doable.

In a more broad sense, the goal is to go 6-6, 5-7, 7-6, 5-7 and 6-6 over a five-year span (and not necessarily in that order).

It can be done but it's not easy.
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RE: Coaching changes 2020-21
(11-30-2020 10:22 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(11-30-2020 09:02 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(11-30-2020 12:01 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  The toughest football job in the SEC, without question. Not impossible, but a lot has to go right to be successful there.

Clark Lea reminds me of Pat Fitzgerald’s placement at Northwestern. Young, alum, from the area, defensive specialist and has a strong history of success coaching defense. However, the last DC hired as a head coach from ND did not fair well at all. You could say he encountered a disastrous ConnFLict.

True about Diaco, but coaches are individuals from unique backgrounds. Just because a lot of New England Patriots assistants have flopped elsewhere didn't mean that Brian Flores was doomed to fail, in fact he's doing a good job with the Dolphins. Also throw in that Kelly has some previous assistants who've had success (Butch Jones, Matt Lefluer, Chuck Martin) and coming from ND shouldn't give any reason for pause.

Vandy was able to benefit from a weak East during a chunk of the 2010s, traditional powers like Florida and Tennessee were down and that impacts them quite a bit. Once Georgia, UF, and even Kentucky started on their way up it really makes things difficult on them beyond their current limitations. They need to make a good hire obviously, but also need to bring facilities on par with the likes of Northwestern and schedule cupcakes in non-conference play so it only takes a couple SEC wins to go bowling. Its not a great recipe, but if they play the same game as their SEC peers they'll lose every time.

It doesn't mean that you are doomed to fail, but - if you are an AD or GM - why would you take a chance on a gamble that has repeatedly shown itself to fail more way more than it has succeeded?

Looking at Kelly's assistants that became head coaches:
Brian VanGorder, 19-25 (at Wayne State and Georgia Southern)
Jeff Quinn, 20-36 (at Buffalo)
Chuck Martin 106-53 (at Grand Valley State and Miami; 32-46 at Miami)
Bob Diaco 11-26 (at UConn)
Mike Sanford 9-16 (at Western Kentucky)
Matt LaFleur 20-6 (at Green Bay)

If I'm an AD, I notice that every single one of Kelly's assistants that have become FBS head coaches have losing records, with majority of them getting fired within four years. Martin does have tremendous success thanks to his tenure at Grand Valley State, but is 14 games under .500 at Miami. LaFleur is an NFL coach, which is nice, but as far as building a competitive and sustainable FBS program, I don't look at Kelly's assistants as being highly sought after.

To the point about Belichick, let's also take a look at his assistants that got head jobs that ended up getting fired with little-to-no success:

Charlie Weis (Notre Dame)
Romeo Crennel (Cleveland and Kansas City)
Josh McDaniels (Denver)
Eric Mangini (New York Jets and Cleveland)
Jim Schwartz (Detroit)
Bill O'Brien (Houston)
Matt Patricia (Detroit)

IMO, the strongest coaching tree within the NFL is Andy Reid's, as two of his assistants have won Super Bowls and many of his assistants have had sustainable runs as head coaches. At the college level, it is undoubtedly Saban, although his has been propped-up in recent years with retreads going to serve as assistants until getting another opportunity (I anticipate Sarkisian, Butch Jones, Charlie Strong, and/or Major Applewhite to eventually get another gig at some point).

For Vanderbilt, I can definitely get on the Clark Lea connection due to reasons previously mentioned. None of Kelly's former assistants that became head coaches had the same connection to a school that Lea would have.

I propose that Cincinnati Bearcats coach Rick Minter has one of the most impressive coaching trees:

John Harbaugh - special teams coordinator under Minter for 3 years, Super Bowl winner
Rex Ryan - defensive coordinator under Minter 96-97, Super Bowl winner
Mike Tomlin - defensive backs coach under Minter 99-00, Super Bowl winner

Other head coaches:
Jimbo Fisher - coordinator under Minter for 1 year
Sam Pittman - assistant under Minter for 1 year, current HC at Arkansas
Joker Phillips - assistant under Minter for 2 years, head coach at Kentucky for 3 years
Kim Dameron - assistant under Minter for 3 years, head coach at Eastern Illinois for 4 years

Also, Minter's 36-year old son Jesse spent 4 years as Georgia State's Defensive coordinator and is currently in his 4th year as an assistant coach for the Baltimore Ravens.
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(11-29-2020 08:13 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Harbaugh may be a choice. He did better with Stanford than Michigan in recruiting. I think he gets how to recruit an Academics first school, but struggles going for the 5 star Football first guys.

Interesting theory. I honestly think they let Harbaugh go lame-duck and see what he can do next year with his back against the wall. Though a mutual parting could be good. Wouldn't shock me to see the Lions offer Harbaugh full control if they don't want to blow up the roster.
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(11-29-2020 08:13 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Harbaugh may be a choice. He did better with Stanford than Michigan in recruiting. I think he gets how to recruit an Academics first school, but struggles going for the 5 star Football first guys.

Harbaugh would only take an announcer job after UM. He made his money and unless the NFL calls, after UM he is out of college coaching, and I don't blame him. That is what this is all about, the money.
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(12-02-2020 03:13 AM)Realignment Wrote:  
(11-29-2020 08:13 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Harbaugh may be a choice. He did better with Stanford than Michigan in recruiting. I think he gets how to recruit an Academics first school, but struggles going for the 5 star Football first guys.

Interesting theory. I honestly think they let Harbaugh go lame-duck and see what he can do next year with his back against the wall. Though a mutual parting could be good. Wouldn't shock me to see the Lions offer Harbaugh full control if they don't want to blow up the roster.

Sorry. Missed your post.
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(11-30-2020 10:34 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Vanderbilt should target the Jacksonville jaguars head coach

Marrone's wife is from the Nashville area. He was able to win at Syracuse after rebuilding from the Greg Robinson era. He is a great CEO type coach but doesn't enjoy the recruitment of spoiled 16-18 year olds.

No nonsense coach who won at a private school with high academics.

If Babers fails in '21 at Cuse, Marrone will surely get a call if available to gage his interest to come back to his alma mater. Not sure his wife is crazy about Upstate NY though and Marrone did piss off some of the fan base with the short notice departure.
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(11-29-2020 09:18 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(11-29-2020 08:13 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Harbaugh may be a choice. He did better with Stanford than Michigan in recruiting.

Did Harbaugh do that? At least some of the key people who recruited for Stanford when Harbaugh was there are still there, so maybe they deserve the credit. Also, query whether recruiting is really the main problem at Michigan.

I agree. He gets too much credit for Stanford, imo. And also agreed that recruiting isn’t the problem with Michigan. But I would say you can dangle more with a Stanford education backing your football journey than Michigan.
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Speaking of famous coaching trees....

One of the all time greatest coaching staff in college football history has to be Hayden Fry's staff at Iowa in the 1980's

Bill Snyder, Barry Alvarez, Bob Stoops, Kirk Ferentz, and other future head coaches were all on Fry's staff in the same year.
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South Alabama fired Coach Steve Campbell today. There’s been a lot of interest in the position so far, and interviews start this week. The plan is to have someone in place prior to the early signing period on December 16.

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https://footballscoop.com/news/report-ur...ing-again/

Apparently, Urban turned down overtures from Texas. Not sure there is any better and realistic candidate available to replace with Herman. Looking like he will stick around next year.
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/if-be...itzgerald/

Pat Fitzgerald might be a candidate for the Bears opening, if/when it becomes open (very likely after today's collapse against the Lions).
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(12-06-2020 09:52 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/if-be...itzgerald/

Pat Fitzgerald might be a candidate for the Bears opening, if/when it becomes open (very likely after today's collapse against the Lions).

There is a former Chicago Bears QB currently coaching a Big Ten team, and he only has one year left on his current contract...
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Will pros play for Harbaugh, though? I get the impression he’s got his enemies around the league for his time in San Fran (and maybe Stanford). Maybe not Chip Kelly-bad yet, but it could go south quickly. Is Detroit really that tone deaf?
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(11-30-2020 09:02 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(11-30-2020 12:01 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  The toughest football job in the SEC, without question. Not impossible, but a lot has to go right to be successful there.

Clark Lea reminds me of Pat Fitzgerald’s placement at Northwestern. Young, alum, from the area, defensive specialist and has a strong history of success coaching defense. However, the last DC hired as a head coach from ND did not fair well at all. You could say he encountered a disastrous ConnFLict.

True about Diaco, but coaches are individuals from unique backgrounds. Just because a lot of New England Patriots assistants have flopped elsewhere didn't mean that Brian Flores was doomed to fail, in fact he's doing a good job with the Dolphins. Also throw in that Kelly has some previous assistants who've had success (Butch Jones, Matt Lefluer, Chuck Martin) and coming from ND shouldn't give any reason for pause.

Vandy was able to benefit from a weak East during a chunk of the 2010s, traditional powers like Florida and Tennessee were down and that impacts them quite a bit. Once Georgia, UF, and even Kentucky started on their way up it really makes things difficult on them beyond their current limitations. They need to make a good hire obviously, but also need to bring facilities on par with the likes of Northwestern and schedule cupcakes in non-conference play so it only takes a couple SEC wins to go bowling. Its not a great recipe, but if they play the same game as their SEC peers they'll lose every time.


I agree. Clark Lea should not even receive a phone call from any AD looking for a head coach.
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ESPN article today mentioning possible head coaching openings:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/in...l-heats-up

Teams mentioned: Virginia Tech, Tennessee, Illinois, Texas Tech, Arizona, Auburn
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(12-07-2020 01:15 PM)Wedge Wrote:  ESPN article today mentioning possible head coaching openings:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/in...l-heats-up

Teams mentioned: Virginia Tech, Tennessee, Illinois, Texas Tech, Arizona, Auburn

Will be fascinating to see how many openings there end up being. Will schools have the financial support to pay big buyouts during a pandemic? South Carolina already did. I’m sure there will be others. I’m confident many schools give staffs one more year.
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(12-07-2020 10:00 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(11-30-2020 09:02 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(11-30-2020 12:01 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  The toughest football job in the SEC, without question. Not impossible, but a lot has to go right to be successful there.

Clark Lea reminds me of Pat Fitzgerald’s placement at Northwestern. Young, alum, from the area, defensive specialist and has a strong history of success coaching defense. However, the last DC hired as a head coach from ND did not fair well at all. You could say he encountered a disastrous ConnFLict.

True about Diaco, but coaches are individuals from unique backgrounds. Just because a lot of New England Patriots assistants have flopped elsewhere didn't mean that Brian Flores was doomed to fail, in fact he's doing a good job with the Dolphins. Also throw in that Kelly has some previous assistants who've had success (Butch Jones, Matt Lefluer, Chuck Martin) and coming from ND shouldn't give any reason for pause.

Vandy was able to benefit from a weak East during a chunk of the 2010s, traditional powers like Florida and Tennessee were down and that impacts them quite a bit. Once Georgia, UF, and even Kentucky started on their way up it really makes things difficult on them beyond their current limitations. They need to make a good hire obviously, but also need to bring facilities on par with the likes of Northwestern and schedule cupcakes in non-conference play so it only takes a couple SEC wins to go bowling. Its not a great recipe, but if they play the same game as their SEC peers they'll lose every time.


I agree. Clark Lea should not even receive a phone call from any AD looking for a head coach.

Agreed, he is a overrated hack who cannot lead a program. He should wallow at ND for another 5 years or so.
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I will be surprised (for multiple reasons) if Tennessee axes Jeremy Pruitt, but I was surprised Vanderbilt dismissed Derek Mason.

Fuente has been a disappointment at VaTech. I wished him well (still do) when he left Memphis. But the results simply haven't been sufficient.

Coaching hires ... very hit or miss. I'm thrilled with what Tom Allen has done with Indiana football but displeased (in many respects) with Penny Hardaway at Memphis. I very pleased having Mack Brown at North Carolina but am growing tired of defending (including to myself) Dave Leitao at DePaul.

I'm starting to lean toward wanting Will Healy (Charlotte) for Vanderbilt. But then Willie Fritz (Tulane) ups and beats Memphis and I think, "Hmm, he's 60 but energetic and has done a fine job in NOLA. Let's see if we can lure him to Music City and the West End.

Having said all this, I still want to see a female head coach in college football and/or hoops.
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