(11-29-2020 01:53 AM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 12:45 PM)cmt Wrote:  Anyone who thinks 2 5stars and several more 4stars and an ACC all freshman team transfer, almost all with a year experience should be about where we are now doesn't know diddly about college basketball. This group of players should be a top 25 team, rationally speaking. Period. This falls on the coach and he needs to figure something out quick. Our offense sucks a big one and our defense, though tough, plays stupid way too often. Hardaway knows better and he better know that if this season doesn't get better, our biggest fear of him taking the job may come true. VCUs recruiting has ranked between 50 and 100 the last 3 years.

Those of us who have actual experience playing for high school varsity and above know what is going on and see Penny for what he is: a great recruiter and PR person but an awful coach that doesn't understand game philosophy or Xs and Os.

I vehemently spoke out against hiring Penny but was downvoted into oblivion. Congrats, you played yourself.

I am still not against the hire.. regardless... We had one way to get the hell away from the Tub of crap and that was by hiring Penny. Penny might not be the man... but the Tub wasnt even the little kid for our program.

I am not one to say "keep what we have because the next might be worse"... nope. if someone isnt getting it done, you get away from them and try the next person in line. It is that simple.

A couple of more years of this mediocrity & we'll have lost all program respect & tradition.

(11-29-2020 01:53 AM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 12:45 PM)cmt Wrote:  Anyone who thinks 2 5stars and several more 4stars and an ACC all freshman team transfer, almost all with a year experience should be about where we are now doesn't know diddly about college basketball. This group of players should be a top 25 team, rationally speaking. Period. This falls on the coach and he needs to figure something out quick. Our offense sucks a big one and our defense, though tough, plays stupid way too often. Hardaway knows better and he better know that if this season doesn't get better, our biggest fear of him taking the job may come true. VCUs recruiting has ranked between 50 and 100 the last 3 years.

Those of us who have actual experience playing for high school varsity and above know what is going on and see Penny for what he is: a great recruiter and PR person but an awful coach that doesn't understand game philosophy or Xs and Os.

I vehemently spoke out against hiring Penny but was downvoted into oblivion. Congrats, you played yourself.

He understands game philosophy and Xs and Os far beyond the collective knowledge of MTO posters...

He seems to struggle where most great athletes struggle and that is with teaching to a lower skill level. It is like Nolan Ryan teaching someone to throw a fastball. He can teach me how to setup a batter to be able to throw a fastball by them for strike 3 but if he fails to realize I only throw 65 instead of 100 then the entire philosophy is shot. That is in essence what Penny is doing. He is coaching and teaching at his skill level without recognizing he will likely never coach a player of his skill level. He can teach Alo all day long how to run point like he did but Alo lacks the skills necessary to do it. Penny has to learn to teach Alo how to be an effective college guard based on the skillset that Alo possesses and can reasonably grow to obtain.

(11-29-2020 03:17 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(11-29-2020 01:53 AM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 12:45 PM)cmt Wrote:  Anyone who thinks 2 5stars and several more 4stars and an ACC all freshman team transfer, almost all with a year experience should be about where we are now doesn't know diddly about college basketball. This group of players should be a top 25 team, rationally speaking. Period. This falls on the coach and he needs to figure something out quick. Our offense sucks a big one and our defense, though tough, plays stupid way too often. Hardaway knows better and he better know that if this season doesn't get better, our biggest fear of him taking the job may come true. VCUs recruiting has ranked between 50 and 100 the last 3 years.

Those of us who have actual experience playing for high school varsity and above know what is going on and see Penny for what he is: a great recruiter and PR person but an awful coach that doesn't understand game philosophy or Xs and Os.

I vehemently spoke out against hiring Penny but was downvoted into oblivion. Congrats, you played yourself.

He understands game philosophy and Xs and Os far beyond the collective knowledge of MTO posters...

He seems to struggle where most great athletes struggle and that is with teaching to a lower skill level. It is like Nolan Ryan teaching someone to throw a fastball. He can teach me how to setup a batter to be able to throw a fastball by them for strike 3 but if he fails to realize I only throw 65 instead of 100 then the entire philosophy is shot. That is in essence what Penny is doing. He is coaching and teaching at his skill level without recognizing he will likely never coach a player of his skill level. He can teach Alo all day long how to run point like he did but Alo lacks the skills necessary to do it. Penny has to learn to teach Alo how to be an effective college guard based on the skillset that Alo possesses and can reasonably grow to obtain.

You are right...

I doubt Penny doesn't understand what needs to be done. I think he is having a hard understanding why they can't do it.

(11-28-2020 01:28 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 01:03 PM)SpiderMan79x Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 08:56 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  We've seen a long, slow but steady decline since Cal left. Nothing has been done by the school to stop it. Say hello to irrelevence.

I had such high hopes for Penny but it's become painfully obvious he isn't getting it done. I haven't decided if it's because he just can't coach at this level or if it's something else like ego/pride that blinds him to all the too numerous mistakes being repeated in each game.

Something has to change because this team is barely above AAU level of play.

This is exactly spot on. Josh was a bad hire, but about the only choice at the time and then we compounded that by locking him up for 100 years. Then we get Tubby next who was about the worst possible fit and was done trying to do anything other than collect a check. Which leaves us with Penny. I didn't love the idea, but I guess we had few choices again so I was hopeful it would be a fairytale story.

If you really think about it, how many coaches actually succeed here in a meaningful way. Bartow, Kirk, Finch and Cal, of which 2 of 4 left us with NCAA issues. Everyone else in my lifetime has been mediocre or sucked (Yates, Tic/Jones, Pastner, Tubby). I think the jury is still out on Penny, but from what I've seen it's not looking promising.

I have little faith if Penny fails that there won't be another bad hire. We are little more than DePaul in the basketball world at this point.

Josh ? Josh ?.....is that the guy that took us to our LAST 3-4 tournaments ?

With the leftovers Cal left us I could have taken us to the tournament. Anyone with an open mind and rational thought processes can look at Opie's performance at GT and know he is not a top tier coach.

(11-29-2020 03:17 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(11-29-2020 01:53 AM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 12:45 PM)cmt Wrote:  Anyone who thinks 2 5stars and several more 4stars and an ACC all freshman team transfer, almost all with a year experience should be about where we are now doesn't know diddly about college basketball. This group of players should be a top 25 team, rationally speaking. Period. This falls on the coach and he needs to figure something out quick. Our offense sucks a big one and our defense, though tough, plays stupid way too often. Hardaway knows better and he better know that if this season doesn't get better, our biggest fear of him taking the job may come true. VCUs recruiting has ranked between 50 and 100 the last 3 years.

Those of us who have actual experience playing for high school varsity and above know what is going on and see Penny for what he is: a great recruiter and PR person but an awful coach that doesn't understand game philosophy or Xs and Os.

I vehemently spoke out against hiring Penny but was downvoted into oblivion. Congrats, you played yourself.

He understands game philosophy and Xs and Os far beyond the collective knowledge of MTO posters...

He seems to struggle where most great athletes struggle and that is with teaching to a lower skill level. It is like Nolan Ryan teaching someone to throw a fastball. He can teach me how to setup a batter to be able to throw a fastball by them for strike 3 but if he fails to realize I only throw 65 instead of 100 then the entire philosophy is shot. That is in essence what Penny is doing. He is coaching and teaching at his skill level without recognizing he will likely never coach a player of his skill level. He can teach Alo all day long how to run point like he did but Alo lacks the skills necessary to do it. Penny has to learn to teach Alo how to be an effective college guard based on the skillset that Alo possesses and can reasonably grow to obtain.

Spot on IMO.

(11-30-2020 06:58 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(11-29-2020 03:17 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(11-29-2020 01:53 AM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 12:45 PM)cmt Wrote:  Anyone who thinks 2 5stars and several more 4stars and an ACC all freshman team transfer, almost all with a year experience should be about where we are now doesn't know diddly about college basketball. This group of players should be a top 25 team, rationally speaking. Period. This falls on the coach and he needs to figure something out quick. Our offense sucks a big one and our defense, though tough, plays stupid way too often. Hardaway knows better and he better know that if this season doesn't get better, our biggest fear of him taking the job may come true. VCUs recruiting has ranked between 50 and 100 the last 3 years.

Those of us who have actual experience playing for high school varsity and above know what is going on and see Penny for what he is: a great recruiter and PR person but an awful coach that doesn't understand game philosophy or Xs and Os.

I vehemently spoke out against hiring Penny but was downvoted into oblivion. Congrats, you played yourself.

He understands game philosophy and Xs and Os far beyond the collective knowledge of MTO posters...

He seems to struggle where most great athletes struggle and that is with teaching to a lower skill level. It is like Nolan Ryan teaching someone to throw a fastball. He can teach me how to setup a batter to be able to throw a fastball by them for strike 3 but if he fails to realize I only throw 65 instead of 100 then the entire philosophy is shot. That is in essence what Penny is doing. He is coaching and teaching at his skill level without recognizing he will likely never coach a player of his skill level. He can teach Alo all day long how to run point like he did but Alo lacks the skills necessary to do it. Penny has to learn to teach Alo how to be an effective college guard based on the skillset that Alo possesses and can reasonably grow to obtain.

Spot on IMO.

And he needs to run an offense that suits the talents on the roster & play them without bias.

(11-29-2020 07:00 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(11-29-2020 01:53 AM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 12:45 PM)cmt Wrote:  Anyone who thinks 2 5stars and several more 4stars and an ACC all freshman team transfer, almost all with a year experience should be about where we are now doesn't know diddly about college basketball. This group of players should be a top 25 team, rationally speaking. Period. This falls on the coach and he needs to figure something out quick. Our offense sucks a big one and our defense, though tough, plays stupid way too often. Hardaway knows better and he better know that if this season doesn't get better, our biggest fear of him taking the job may come true. VCUs recruiting has ranked between 50 and 100 the last 3 years.

Those of us who have actual experience playing for high school varsity and above know what is going on and see Penny for what he is: a great recruiter and PR person but an awful coach that doesn't understand game philosophy or Xs and Os.

I vehemently spoke out against hiring Penny but was downvoted into oblivion. Congrats, you played yourself.

I am still not against the hire.. regardless... We had one way to get the hell away from the Tub of crap and that was by hiring Penny. Penny might not be the man... but the Tub wasnt even the little kid for our program.

dude
you said in another thread, "Penny needs a head coach."
you aren't fooling anyone

(12-01-2020 10:41 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-29-2020 07:00 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(11-29-2020 01:53 AM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 12:45 PM)cmt Wrote:  Anyone who thinks 2 5stars and several more 4stars and an ACC all freshman team transfer, almost all with a year experience should be about where we are now doesn't know diddly about college basketball. This group of players should be a top 25 team, rationally speaking. Period. This falls on the coach and he needs to figure something out quick. Our offense sucks a big one and our defense, though tough, plays stupid way too often. Hardaway knows better and he better know that if this season doesn't get better, our biggest fear of him taking the job may come true. VCUs recruiting has ranked between 50 and 100 the last 3 years.

Those of us who have actual experience playing for high school varsity and above know what is going on and see Penny for what he is: a great recruiter and PR person but an awful coach that doesn't understand game philosophy or Xs and Os.

I vehemently spoke out against hiring Penny but was downvoted into oblivion. Congrats, you played yourself.

I am still not against the hire.. regardless... We had one way to get the hell away from the Tub of crap and that was by hiring Penny. Penny might not be the man... but the Tub wasnt even the little kid for our program.

dude
you said in another thread, "Penny needs a head coach."
you aren't fooling anyone

"dude"

feel free to go through my posts.. I have supported Penny as coach since PRE- Penny...

if I did say he needs a head coach.. which Id like to see the link and or context of that..(I just looked for it and saw it) then I meant it as a Sam Mitchell/Larry Brown type thing..

but whatever suits your twisted narrative, have at it.


I have had 3 consistent issues with Penny's coaching..

Playing ALo more than 10 minutes a game.
Playing ALo and Harris together for extended minutes.
Switching the big and the guard on defense where their big scores over our guard consistently.

(11-30-2020 06:53 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 01:28 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 01:03 PM)SpiderMan79x Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 08:56 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  We've seen a long, slow but steady decline since Cal left. Nothing has been done by the school to stop it. Say hello to irrelevence.

I had such high hopes for Penny but it's become painfully obvious he isn't getting it done. I haven't decided if it's because he just can't coach at this level or if it's something else like ego/pride that blinds him to all the too numerous mistakes being repeated in each game.

Something has to change because this team is barely above AAU level of play.

This is exactly spot on. Josh was a bad hire, but about the only choice at the time and then we compounded that by locking him up for 100 years. Then we get Tubby next who was about the worst possible fit and was done trying to do anything other than collect a check. Which leaves us with Penny. I didn't love the idea, but I guess we had few choices again so I was hopeful it would be a fairytale story.

If you really think about it, how many coaches actually succeed here in a meaningful way. Bartow, Kirk, Finch and Cal, of which 2 of 4 left us with NCAA issues. Everyone else in my lifetime has been mediocre or sucked (Yates, Tic/Jones, Pastner, Tubby). I think the jury is still out on Penny, but from what I've seen it's not looking promising.

I have little faith if Penny fails that there won't be another bad hire. We are little more than DePaul in the basketball world at this point.

Josh ? Josh ?.....is that the guy that took us to our LAST 3-4 tournaments ?

With the leftovers Cal left us I could have taken us to the tournament. Anyone with an open mind and rational thought processes can look at Opie's performance at GT and know he is not a top tier coach.

I have no idea why people still repeat this 10 years later...

2010
Spoon
Sallie
Mack
Kemp
Coleman
Garcia
Niles

2011
Spoon
Coleman
Garcia
Niles

You make the NCAA Tournament both years riding on the backs of Cal's players? Really?