(11-28-2020 08:57 PM)micman Wrote:  Can we hire Larry Brown as a DC? do you think he runs a 4-3, 3-4, 3-3-5, or 4-2-5?

Apparently, defense is fine. Can we hire Larry Brown for OC, then? Maybe he can figure out how to have an effective run game.

I think Penny has to make a couple of decisions that will impact his future and the future of the program
1.) What is more important? Getting players to the NBA or winning
2.) What is more important? Players like him (play everyone style and sacrifice wins) or players respect him (Penny making tough decisions on minutes and players rotations but more wins)
3.) Is he going to hire buddies to hang with on staff or coaches that will push him and help him grow and help the team develop
4.) Does he want to be seen as an "NBA style" coach or a good coach

I realize there is a lot of gray in there and those are not either or scenarios in totality, i.e. a coach can be liked and respected. But the it is more of when push comes to shove will he make decision that favor a player liking him or making a tough decision that will result in more respect long term.

(11-28-2020 10:37 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 08:31 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 06:49 PM)FORealTigerFan Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 11:02 PM)batman Wrote:  There needs to be a major shakeup on this staff. There is no one on this staff who can help Penny get better as a coach. We have got to get a veteran coach on this staff. What we are seeing now is just embarrassing.

Penny's coaching is fine. Problem is most of you on the board don't understand basketball. You don't understand what is going on. He knew how to attack VCU's defense. Problem is executing it.

So are you saying the players ignore him-----or he can't communicate effectively enough for them to grasp it----or he can't evaluate talent well enough to recruit players that fit his system----or he can't recruit enough talent period to pull it off ? Which is it ?

That is what people who want to shield the Millionaire coach don't realize...

He gets the players...He teaches the players...He sets the offense. You cant blame the players for not being able to run the offense the coach brought them in to run.

If it doesn't work it is his fault. This is year 3...These are his guys.

I’m not sure who would disagree with that. Ultimately Penny will be held responsible if he can’t get things turned around. I haven’t searched super hard, but I haven’t seen a lot of Penny apologists around here. Most seem frustrated with the current state of the team, myself included.

I just don’t see things as ALL Penny’s fault like some. Players need to be able to hit wide open shots more times than not, box out and make a decent lob pass. I don’t think that’s too much to expect out of high major D1 players.

This thread is about coaching staffs.

So, why did Penny go so long to announce Miller's replacement and then it is just a 1year temporary fill.

Is he that particular about who he wants, or is he suffering from potential coaches being cautious because of the fear of pending consequences of NCAA investigation and not showing any interest?

Discuss...

(11-29-2020 07:17 PM)mapdude Wrote:  This thread is about coaching staffs.

So, why did Penny go so long to announce Miller's replacement and then it is just a 1year temporary fill.

Is he that particular about who he wants, or is he suffering from potential coaches being cautious because of the fear of pending consequences of NCAA investigation and not showing any interest?

Discuss...

Only reason I see is he has a player getter on tap.

Anything other than that would be bad management by Penny.

Bring in Larry Brown to help out
Ike believes Larry will help in many ways and Penny will not be offended
Word on the street, talks r in progress

(11-29-2020 08:19 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-29-2020 07:17 PM)mapdude Wrote:  This thread is about coaching staffs.

So, why did Penny go so long to announce Miller's replacement and then it is just a 1year temporary fill.

Is he that particular about who he wants, or is he suffering from potential coaches being cautious because of the fear of pending consequences of NCAA investigation and not showing any interest?

Discuss...

Only reason I see is he has a player getter on tap.

Anything other than that would be bad management by Penny.

I thought Penny was the player getter. Good coaches who aren't that good at recruiting need recruiters. Penny needs someone who knows how to coach college basketball and, for whatever reason, doesn't mind being #2.

Sam Mitchell was perfect, and we played our best ball when he was around. He knows X's and O's, and was a very strict disciplinarian.

(11-29-2020 05:55 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 10:37 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 08:31 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 06:49 PM)FORealTigerFan Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 11:02 PM)batman Wrote:  There needs to be a major shakeup on this staff. There is no one on this staff who can help Penny get better as a coach. We have got to get a veteran coach on this staff. What we are seeing now is just embarrassing.

Penny's coaching is fine. Problem is most of you on the board don't understand basketball. You don't understand what is going on. He knew how to attack VCU's defense. Problem is executing it.

So are you saying the players ignore him-----or he can't communicate effectively enough for them to grasp it----or he can't evaluate talent well enough to recruit players that fit his system----or he can't recruit enough talent period to pull it off ? Which is it ?

That is what people who want to shield the Millionaire coach don't realize...

He gets the players...He teaches the players...He sets the offense. You cant blame the players for not being able to run the offense the coach brought them in to run.

If it doesn't work it is his fault. This is year 3...These are his guys.

I’m not sure who would disagree with that. Ultimately Penny will be held responsible if he can’t get things turned around. I haven’t searched super hard, but I haven’t seen a lot of Penny apologists around here. Most seem frustrated with the current state of the team, myself included.

I just don’t see things as ALL Penny’s fault like some. Players need to be able to hit wide open shots more times than not, box out and make a decent lob pass. I don’t think that’s too much to expect out of high major D1 players.

You haven't seen a lot of apologists---but then you became one. Every excuse/example you cited is a direct result --or lack of coaching.

(11-29-2020 09:09 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(11-29-2020 05:55 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 10:37 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 08:31 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 06:49 PM)FORealTigerFan Wrote:  Penny's coaching is fine. Problem is most of you on the board don't understand basketball. You don't understand what is going on. He knew how to attack VCU's defense. Problem is executing it.

So are you saying the players ignore him-----or he can't communicate effectively enough for them to grasp it----or he can't evaluate talent well enough to recruit players that fit his system----or he can't recruit enough talent period to pull it off ? Which is it ?

The big problem is that these guys don't know how to work together. They must have selfish motives on the floor and all of them know it. This will look like this until the players learn to trust each other and stop being selfish, lester wants to play good defense and shoot threes nothing else, all of our bigs jump lazy for rebounds hence they are being bullied on the boards, DJ wants to be the star and forgets he has a team on the floor, Penny does what he can to discipline by pulling them when they play like boneheads, but its not enough, he just needs to get a set rotation of the players that can play together and let the others ride the bench until he needs them to rest the others. Chemistry is what they need. they have no chemistry.



That is what people who want to shield the Millionaire coach don't realize...

He gets the players...He teaches the players...He sets the offense. You cant blame the players for not being able to run the offense the coach brought them in to run.

If it doesn't work it is his fault. This is year 3...These are his guys.

I’m not sure who would disagree with that. Ultimately Penny will be held responsible if he can’t get things turned around. I haven’t searched super hard, but I haven’t seen a lot of Penny apologists around here. Most seem frustrated with the current state of the team, myself included.

I just don’t see things as ALL Penny’s fault like some. Players need to be able to hit wide open shots more times than not, box out and make a decent lob pass. I don’t think that’s too much to expect out of high major D1 players.

You haven't seen a lot of apologists---but then you became one. Every excuse/example you cited is a direct result --or lack of coaching.

(11-29-2020 08:34 PM)memphisike Wrote:  Bring in Larry Brown to help out
Ike believes Larry will help in many ways and Penny will not be offended
Word on the street, talks r in progress

Ike, he’s eighty years old. He might not survive the move.

(11-29-2020 07:17 PM)mapdude Wrote:  This thread is about coaching staffs.

So, why did Penny go so long to announce Miller's replacement and then it is just a 1year temporary fill.

Is he that particular about who he wants, or is he suffering from potential coaches being cautious because of the fear of pending consequences of NCAA investigation and not showing any interest?

Discuss...

Available money right now was probably an issue. He hired JJ temporary because there wasn’t enough funds to get someone better suited. Maybe?

(11-29-2020 09:09 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(11-29-2020 05:55 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 10:37 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 08:31 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 06:49 PM)FORealTigerFan Wrote:  Penny's coaching is fine. Problem is most of you on the board don't understand basketball. You don't understand what is going on. He knew how to attack VCU's defense. Problem is executing it.

So are you saying the players ignore him-----or he can't communicate effectively enough for them to grasp it----or he can't evaluate talent well enough to recruit players that fit his system----or he can't recruit enough talent period to pull it off ? Which is it ?

That is what people who want to shield the Millionaire coach don't realize...

He gets the players...He teaches the players...He sets the offense. You cant blame the players for not being able to run the offense the coach brought them in to run.

If it doesn't work it is his fault. This is year 3...These are his guys.

I’m not sure who would disagree with that. Ultimately Penny will be held responsible if he can’t get things turned around. I haven’t searched super hard, but I haven’t seen a lot of Penny apologists around here. Most seem frustrated with the current state of the team, myself included.

I just don’t see things as ALL Penny’s fault like some. Players need to be able to hit wide open shots more times than not, box out and make a decent lob pass. I don’t think that’s too much to expect out of high major D1 players.

You haven't seen a lot of apologists---but then you became one. Every excuse/example you cited is a direct result --or lack of coaching.

You haven't seen a lot, because we are all shaking our heads at your guys and don't want to get drug into this mess you're stirring.

(11-30-2020 09:31 AM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(11-29-2020 07:17 PM)mapdude Wrote:  This thread is about coaching staffs.

So, why did Penny go so long to announce Miller's replacement and then it is just a 1year temporary fill.

Is he that particular about who he wants, or is he suffering from potential coaches being cautious because of the fear of pending consequences of NCAA investigation and not showing any interest?

Discuss...

Available money right now was probably an issue. He hired JJ temporary because there wasn’t enough funds to get someone better suited. Maybe?

This is it exactly. We're in a budget crisis due to the pandemic shutdowns. Penny didn't need a coach this summer, because recruiting was restricted to virtual, and workouts were very limited. He finally hired a temp at temp rates just to help with practice.

(11-29-2020 03:04 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  I think Penny has to make a couple of decisions that will impact his future and the future of the program
1.) What is more important? Getting players to the NBA or winning
2.) What is more important? Players like him (play everyone style and sacrifice wins) or players respect him (Penny making tough decisions on minutes and players rotations but more wins)
3.) Is he going to hire buddies to hang with on staff or coaches that will push him and help him grow and help the team develop
4.) Does he want to be seen as an "NBA style" coach or a good coach

I realize there is a lot of gray in there and those are not either or scenarios in totality, i.e. a coach can be liked and respected. But the it is more of when push comes to shove will he make decision that favor a player liking him or making a tough decision that will result in more respect long term.

This is ridiculous. Penny’s job is to win games. A byproduct of winning is getting players in the NBA.

He’s using AAU techniques (we have better players, so use matchups for one on one situations). This doesn’t work against well coached teams with decent talent. This isn’t an NBA style offense. I don’t think we’d get a shot off before a 24 second shot clock expired.

His best skill is recruiting. He just isn’t (or at least hasn’t shown it) a good offensive coach. He does get his players to play hard, and our defense has been pretty solid. He really needs help with the offense.

(11-28-2020 08:27 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  This has really made me appreciate Kelvin Sampson. He is probably worth +6 wins for a team like this.

Don't tell IU that.

(12-01-2020 10:25 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-30-2020 09:31 AM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(11-29-2020 07:17 PM)mapdude Wrote:  This thread is about coaching staffs.

So, why did Penny go so long to announce Miller's replacement and then it is just a 1year temporary fill.

Is he that particular about who he wants, or is he suffering from potential coaches being cautious because of the fear of pending consequences of NCAA investigation and not showing any interest?

Discuss...

Available money right now was probably an issue. He hired JJ temporary because there wasn’t enough funds to get someone better suited. Maybe?

This is it exactly. We're in a budget crisis due to the pandemic shutdowns. Penny didn't need a coach this summer, because recruiting was restricted to virtual, and workouts were very limited. He finally hired a temp at temp rates just to help with practice.

I think you're spot on.