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(12-01-2020 03:20 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(12-01-2020 02:28 PM)Dukester Wrote:  Not shocked Jerry took the classless shot.

But also don't think Ben will see another snap in a NFL game.

I root for all JMU players moving up to the professional ranks. I sill think through the years we had other JMU QBs who would of been more prepared for the NFL ranks.....

It most likely won’t be with the Cowboys, but I’m of a different opinion about Ben’s future in the NFL.

If I am reading you right, I agree. Nooch is plenty capable of playing at this level. It is beyond a shame to see his fellow alums describe him as trash.
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Bunch of panties in a bunch over a headline. Aren't some of you the same posters screaming about fake news and media manipulation?

Jerry was asked if the integrity of the game is in question when you have team's like Denver play without a QB. He spent the first 30-45 seconds talking about risks of NFL and specifically mobile QBs specifically mentioning Dak and the future. He then says...

Quote:“You take risks. You take risk when you put all of the quarterbacks in the same room. If you were worried about those things, you’d spread them out a little bit. You can save one. I don’t know that Denver had any more of a challenge than we’ve had with [Ben] DiNucci or with the young quarterbacks that we’ve had. And so, my point to you is, and by the way 2-3 of those QBs will be back from the COVID. But boy we have been schooled in the NFL, the teams have been schooled. You had really better pay attention to your protocols. You better manage. Don’t just give it lip service. Don’t just roll your eyes back and say, ‘That happens to them. That doesn’t happen to me.’”

That is a 45 second quote of his 3 minute long rambling answer. He spent more time talking about river boat gambling in his answer than he did talking about DiNucci. He spent more time talking about the cowboys center pulling a muscle walking in the tunnel in pregame then he spent talking about DiNucci.
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(12-01-2020 03:34 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  I don't take the statement as much of a dig at Ben as you all do. Admittedly that may change if I heard the question that prompted the statement and the rest of Jerry's answer.

Neither coaching staff were expecting these ex ACC QBs to play in a game this year, much less start. Neither player had a preseason game to warm up to NFL speed. Ben had a few plays of NFL experience the week prior and a few days of practice to his start. Hinton had neither of those. It was certainly more challenging for Denver. However, I believe these were two of the biggest starting QB challenges in 2020. No other team to my knowledge has started their 3rd string QB, and if so, I doubt it was a rookie. So if the Cowboys had the second hardest challenge and the Broncos had the first, then I'm okay with him trying to equate the two situations. I mean he has nothing to lose by trying to equate them. Even if he knows they aren't equal, if he can convince people the Cowboys were as challenged as the Broncos, then that loss to the Eagles doesn't look as bad for the Cowboys. He is wrong as they weren't the same, and he is a fool for thinking such if he truly believes it, but the statement isn't an insult to Ben in my eyes, just an idiotic comment from an old dude that probably forgot what he ate for breakfast.

Does Jerry still hate Ben? Absolutely. But I don't believe this was an insult to Ben, but an admit to validate the Cowboys' loss.

Alex Smith started the season as a 3rd string QB. 04-cheers
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The challenge that the Cowboys had was due to injuries. The challenge that the Broncos had was due to Covid. Aren’t those different challenges? You can plan in advance of one - not sure what the Broncos could have done in advance of theirs.
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I didn’t see the Broncos game, but I’m sure dinucci did better than Hinton on the field, although it’s naive not to recognize Ben was pretty bad too and looked like a fish out of water.

That said, I don’t think Jerry’s comments were what people are making it out to be. I don’t think it was a comment related to performance but related to the situation in preparing for the game. That basically there was none and the qbs and offensive playbook was very limited and basic because Of the lack of prep time. That’s how I took it.

But jerry should keep Ben out of the conversation for sure, no need to even go there at all. It’s a bad look.
12-02-2020 07:14 AM
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I am in agreement with any statement that calls Jones a jerk. Can't stand him.

But with this particular statement, I don't really see much to have issue with after seeing the full context. Not the swipe at Ben I was led to believe at first. If he had a do-over....leaving Ben out of it would have been a better move, but he's not a robot and I'm fine with the honest answer in trying to make his point.
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(12-01-2020 08:45 PM)Purple Wrote:  
(12-01-2020 03:20 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(12-01-2020 02:28 PM)Dukester Wrote:  Not shocked Jerry took the classless shot.

But also don't think Ben will see another snap in a NFL game.

I root for all JMU players moving up to the professional ranks. I sill think through the years we had other JMU QBs who would of been more prepared for the NFL ranks.....

It most likely won’t be with the Cowboys, but I’m of a different opinion about Ben’s future in the NFL.

If I am reading you right, I agree. Nooch is plenty capable of playing at this level. It is beyond a shame to see his fellow alums describe him as trash.

Um - who described him as "trash"? The vast majority of JMU players won't succeed in the NFL. I think it's awful, by your apparent definition, you think they are trash.
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(12-02-2020 10:13 AM)Dukester Wrote:  
(12-01-2020 08:45 PM)Purple Wrote:  
(12-01-2020 03:20 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(12-01-2020 02:28 PM)Dukester Wrote:  Not shocked Jerry took the classless shot.

But also don't think Ben will see another snap in a NFL game.

I root for all JMU players moving up to the professional ranks. I sill think through the years we had other JMU QBs who would of been more prepared for the NFL ranks.....

It most likely won’t be with the Cowboys, but I’m of a different opinion about Ben’s future in the NFL.

If I am reading you right, I agree. Nooch is plenty capable of playing at this level. It is beyond a shame to see his fellow alums describe him as trash.

Um - who described him as "trash"? The vast majority of JMU players won't succeed in the NFL. I think it's awful, by your apparent definition, you think they are trash.

There have been some pretty negative comments made about Ben on this board, none more negative than yours.
12-02-2020 08:10 PM
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Expressing the opinion that a JMU player in the pros didn't perform well on a particular day isn't "trashing" them, and neither is it "trashing" them to say that performance might have doomed their chances.

The chances of a 7th-round draft pick seeing any extended NFL action is always going to be slim. For that pick to start a game, not play particularly well (if not particularly poorly), whatever the circumstances, and to then get negatively referred to by name more than once by the team's owner, has to hurt his chances to stay in the league for any length of time.

If there's a saving grace here, it's that Jones really has stepped back from player decision-making in the past few years, and does seem more comfortable talking and making high level decisions than getting in the nitty-gritty. They've got a lot of holes to fill in the off-season and McCarthy might still feel more comfortable keeping him around cheaply than investing in an expensive replacement.
12-03-2020 11:51 AM
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To add to that, saying that Ben probably won't see another snap in the NFL isn't a knock on the guy. There are 32 starting QBs in the NFL and most carry an additional two on the active roster. So even considering injuries, there's maybe 100 QBs that see snaps in a full season (including preseason). Last year, from what I could find, 73 QBs saw at least one snap in the regular season. The best QBs have a span of (usually) 10 years - though obviously some go double that or more. Saying that Ben won't see another snap in the NFL is saying that he's not one of the best 75-100 QBs to make it to the NFL in the past DECADE. If you took the best 200 NFL analysts and had them make a list of the top 100 QBs that entered in the NFL in the past decade, I'd wager that not a single one would list Ben. Again, that's not a knock on him. Ben was a fantastic FCS QB, would have been a very good FBS QB, and is a decent NFL QB...but decent QBs don't make it in the NFL. Even good QBs don't last in the NFL. All it takes for someone outside that top echelon is one bad game. Being drafted so low, not making the combine, not having preseason snaps, etc. doesn't help.

Of the current starting QBs, the ones drafted outside the top 40 are:
Brandon Allen for the Bengals (201/2016, starting because of injury)
Mike Glennon (73/2013...again...injury)
Ryan FitzMagic (250/2005, an anomaly and still can't keep a starting job)
Kirk Cousins (102/2012, this is the one example you could probably point to as an actual NFL starting QB, but he was still multiple rounds higher than Ben)
Taysom Hill (undrafted/2017, usually just a gadget QB, currently an injury starter)
Nick Mullens (undrafted/2017, injury starter)
Russell Wilson (75/2012)
Brady (199/2000)

Wilson and Brady are the only QBs that began the season as a starter and were not drafted in the top 40. Even with all the injuries to starting QBs currently, there's only 6 others that are now starting...and all of them have been in the league for a few years - which, YES, makes a HUGE difference. Being able to get into preseason or garbage time games multiple times before starting is CRUCIAL. Even just having a couple seasons on the practice squad going against NFL players is invaluable.

Looking at the facts and history, it's hard to imagine him seeing another snap. And I'm not saying he's not worthy of being a backup, it's just very unlikely. Having the game he had with the press and online commentary that followed makes it near impossible to stick around enough to see another snap in a real game. Being an unknown player to everyone but us means he really had to wow people in his first game...and he did not. If the refs had called the player down on that scoop and score, who knows what happens, but given the way things played out, I'd be (happily) shocked to see him get more game time.
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Saw in the Washington Post yesterday that Ish Hyman, who is on the Carolina Panthers practice squad, was placed on the Covid 19 reserve list along with several other Panther players. Hope he is well and is doing OK.

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Also saw in the Post this morning that the packers have placed raven Greene on IR which means he has to miss at least 3 games. Best wished for a speedy recovery.

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Saw articles that pretty much say his season is over.

“The shoulder injury sustained by Raven Greene during the fourth quarter of the Green Bay Packers’ victory over the Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday has likely ended his season.

Greene was placed on injured reserve on Wednesday along with running back Tyler Ervin and Billy Winn. While those two could return this season, a source said Greene’s third NFL season likely will end the way his first two did – on injured reserve.”
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Ron'Dell Carter was active yesterday for the first time, but I did not catch the game so not sure how many snaps he saw.
12-14-2020 09:24 AM
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(12-14-2020 09:24 AM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  Ron'Dell Carter was active yesterday for the first time, but I did not catch the game so not sure how many snaps he saw.

It appears that he did not play as I see his snap count listed as 0.
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(12-14-2020 09:32 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  
(12-14-2020 09:24 AM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  Ron'Dell Carter was active yesterday for the first time, but I did not catch the game so not sure how many snaps he saw.

It appears that he did not play as I see his snap count listed as 0.

Pro Football Reference says 7 defensive and 7 special teams snaps- when they do that, does it mean 7 snaps as a defender in special teams, or 14 total?

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...rtRo02.htm
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Interesting I am guessing rotoworld where I looked had not updated as they had him at 0.
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Dimitri Holloway signed to the CFL. Interested to see how this goes as it seems like the last two JMU guys I know of who went to Canada (Schor and Lee) didn’t last long.
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(12-10-2020 05:08 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  Saw articles that pretty much say his season is over.

“The shoulder injury sustained by Raven Greene during the fourth quarter of the Green Bay Packers’ victory over the Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday has likely ended his season.

Greene was placed on injured reserve on Wednesday along with running back Tyler Ervin and Billy Winn. While those two could return this season, a source said Greene’s third NFL season likely will end the way his first two did – on injured reserve.”

That's pretty sad news. Raven was having a break out year, let's all hope he recovers fully and quickly.
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(12-14-2020 04:37 PM)Anders Wrote:  Dimitri Holloway signed to the CFL. Interested to see how this goes as it seems like the last two JMU guys I know of who went to Canada (Schor and Lee) didn’t last long.
Nice to see Holloway get this opportunity. I can see him fitting into the CFL very well and leveraging that into NFL interest down the road. He’s got some classmates too talented to not get an NFL chance and throw in the towel already, hopefully they get a chance up there as well.
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