(12-10-2020 09:58 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Yeah, here is the article. No need to file a FOIA, the DNR aLready did back in August.

https://jamesmadison.rivals.com/news/not-in-the-cards-3

In another article/interview Bourne said he had 4 to 6 games lined up when JMU pulled the plug and Alger decided to cancel Fall sports. This was back on August 7th which was 4 weeks before the season started. How many yes answers could they have received between August 7th and now? We don’t know because they waived the white flag and stopped asking.

We see that 144 D-1 teams played football this Fall. 2 of the schools that played were ones that already had a contract with JMU coming into 2020.
@UNC
Home vs Chattanooga

That would be the starting point of “what if”.
JMU had 2 games in the bag. How many more could they have secured as possible opponents became open due to quarantine? Nobody has a sure answer, but I think the answer is at least something more than 2+0.
Factor in the CAA’s decision to create a 6 game CAA Spring Season and JMU could have stopped at 3, 4, or 5 Fall games and remained eligible to compete in the Spring too.

And Alger still refuses to talk about why he feels this was a good decision as he sees he is on an island with yet another athletics faux pas.
This one surpasses his covert midnight penning of the anti-COA manifesto back in 2015 along with 8 other presidents of universities that have tiddlywinks athletics programs. He was called out on that and became mute, then eventually relented and changed his position.

Since we are not fbs, yet, the real numbers are:

18 fcs schools played, 121 opted to play in spring
3 of those who played in fall only played 1 game
9 (half the total) of those who did played 3 or fewer games.
The aforementioned Chattanooga played 1 game.
None of the games played counted for anything

(12-11-2020 02:36 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  This entire year (and possibly 2021 too) will go down in history as a dark and deadly period in American and World history. I just can’t get upset about playing FCS FB in the Spring when over 300,000+ Americans (and counting) have already died from COVID.

Longhorn delivering the cold hard truth time and time again for those who refuse to receive it.

We now have the spring 2021 schedule in its completed form, including kickoff times. No games will kick off later than 4pm.

This is probably due to a combination of colder weather and wanting to play when it's a warmer time of day and TV Networks airing their MLB/NHL/NBA games usually at 7pm, with pre-game coverage starting at 5 or 6pm.

There will be minimal fans in attendance and those who want to will find a way to make games between 12pm and 4pm.

(12-10-2020 09:58 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  In another article/interview Bourne said he had 4 to 6 games lined up when JMU pulled the plug and Alger decided to cancel Fall sports. This was back on August 7th which was 4 weeks before the season started. How many yes answers could they have received between August 7th and now? We don’t know because they waived the white flag and stopped asking.

We see that 144 D-1 teams played football this Fall. 2 of the schools that played were ones that already had a contract with JMU coming into 2020.
@UNC
Home vs Chattanooga

That would be the starting point of “what if”.
JMU had 2 games in the bag. How many more could they have secured as possible opponents became open due to quarantine? Nobody has a sure answer, but I think the answer is at least something more than 2+0.
Factor in the CAA’s decision to create a 6 game CAA Spring Season and JMU could have stopped at 3, 4, or 5 Fall games and remained eligible to compete in the Spring too.

And Alger still refuses to talk about why he feels this was a good decision as he sees he is on an island with yet another athletics faux pas.
This one surpasses his covert midnight penning of the anti-COA manifesto back in 2015 along with 8 other presidents of universities that have tiddlywinks athletics programs. He was called out on that and became mute, then eventually relented and changed his position.

Again, when the decision was made to pull the plug on the fall exhibition schedule it was due to the real games being played for Championships were going to be played in the spring. No need for the what if’s, like what if we played those senseless exhibition games in front of zero fans and spent a fortune in testing to only be forced to shuffle the schedule due to + cases, what if a key player suffered a serious injury in useless games, what if we took our depleted roster and new QB to a ranked team in UNC to get demolished, injured and/or demoralized, or what if we scheduled too many of these exhibition games then when the limitations were announced later on we were forced to buy our way out of the deals? Living in hindsight when it’s easy to piece together now what they did not know in real time is senseless.

I miss the games more than most, but these games would have been senseless given all that has transpired and considering they meant nothing in any standing or ranking.

(12-11-2020 12:34 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 09:58 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  In another article/interview Bourne said he had 4 to 6 games lined up when JMU pulled the plug and Alger decided to cancel Fall sports. This was back on August 7th which was 4 weeks before the season started. How many yes answers could they have received between August 7th and now? We don’t know because they waived the white flag and stopped asking.

We see that 144 D-1 teams played football this Fall. 2 of the schools that played were ones that already had a contract with JMU coming into 2020.
@UNC
Home vs Chattanooga

That would be the starting point of “what if”.
JMU had 2 games in the bag. How many more could they have secured as possible opponents became open due to quarantine? Nobody has a sure answer, but I think the answer is at least something more than 2+0.
Factor in the CAA’s decision to create a 6 game CAA Spring Season and JMU could have stopped at 3, 4, or 5 Fall games and remained eligible to compete in the Spring too.

And Alger still refuses to talk about why he feels this was a good decision as he sees he is on an island with yet another athletics faux pas.
This one surpasses his covert midnight penning of the anti-COA manifesto back in 2015 along with 8 other presidents of universities that have tiddlywinks athletics programs. He was called out on that and became mute, then eventually relented and changed his position.

Again, when the decision was made to pull the plug on the fall exhibition schedule it was due to the real games being played for Championships were going to be played in the spring. No need for the what if’s, like what if we played those senseless exhibition games in front of zero fans and spent a fortune in testing to only be forced to shuffle the schedule due to + cases, what if a key player suffered a serious injury in useless games, what if we took our depleted roster and new QB to a ranked team in UNC to get demolished, injured and/or demoralized, or what if we scheduled too many of these exhibition games then when the limitations were announced later on we were forced to buy our way out of the deals? Living in hindsight when it’s easy to piece together now what they did not know in real time is senseless.

I miss the games more than most, but these games would have been senseless given all that has transpired and considering they meant nothing in any standing or ranking.

don't forget to add, at the time, the Big10, Pac12, MWC and MAC had all postponed to the spring as well.

(12-11-2020 12:50 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  don't forget to add, at the time, the Big10, Pac12, MWC and MAC had all postponed to the spring as well.

Exactly, and they only reconsidered and then decided to play because they did not want to lose ground to their FBS peers in recruiting and perception. Our peers are playing in the Spring when the championships are on the line. Some schools had a season, others had a tremendous pain in the arse trying to get games in, and they needed to as FBS football was in the fall, ours isn’t so it wouldn’t have been worth the hassle. And oddly teams that play for bowl action as their season end reward are having team votes and opting out.

I was talking about future years, not this year. I'm not a broken bot, repeating the same thing over and over

I know you are not, but somebody else keeps beating a fall 2020 schedule (w/ UNC game) to death.

(12-10-2020 08:57 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  No doubt, any opponent can beat you at any time and it would be a sports miracle if any of these cream puffs actually won. However, I side with the position that JMU has no business playing these games in the first place. It simply isn’t a fair competition and it does absolutely nothing to advance the program.

Trivia for the day...
Add up the Football budgets for Morehead State, Norfolk State, Robert Morris, Presbyterian and the sum is still 40% less than JMU. That’s right, the all-star team doesn’t even belong on the same field as the Dukes.

When you have limited OOC games every year, why waste them on garbage teams?
I don’t attend these home games since they do not capture my interest and are not legit competition. However, It appears that the Poor, the Weak, and the Bourne scheduling “strategy” is going to live even after he retires. Crap games are already scheduled and the 2025 schedule is locked with a couple of openings left on the 2023 schedule. Huge voids are left in 2020 and 2021 with neither year having a FBS game.

When you spend as much money as JMU spends, expectations and aspirations should absolutely be higher.

The frozen chosen and NSU are cream puffs. NC A&T isn’t at the moment.
2017 12-0
https://fbschedules.com/ncaa-2017/team/n...arolina-at
2018 10-2
2019 9-3
2-1 vs FBS the last 3 seasons. Were scheduled to play @ NDSU this season. Not sure if rescheduled.

The Blue Hose game is a joke. I can understand people having an issue with the NSU game. I don‘t have much of one, because they‘re in state, its at home (if there‘s a road game in return then I‘d have an issue with it), and its the one 2025 OOC cupcake. No one should have an issue with the NC A&T game IMHOP..

(12-13-2020 11:29 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 08:57 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  No doubt, any opponent can beat you at any time and it would be a sports miracle if any of these cream puffs actually won. However, I side with the position that JMU has no business playing these games in the first place. It simply isn’t a fair competition and it does absolutely nothing to advance the program.

Trivia for the day...
Add up the Football budgets for Morehead State, Norfolk State, Robert Morris, Presbyterian and the sum is still 40% less than JMU. That’s right, the all-star team doesn’t even belong on the same field as the Dukes.

When you have limited OOC games every year, why waste them on garbage teams?
I don’t attend these home games since they do not capture my interest and are not legit competition. However, It appears that the Poor, the Weak, and the Bourne scheduling “strategy” is going to live even after he retires. Crap games are already scheduled and the 2025 schedule is locked with a couple of openings left on the 2023 schedule. Huge voids are left in 2020 and 2021 with neither year having a FBS game.

When you spend as much money as JMU spends, expectations and aspirations should absolutely be higher.

The frozen chosen and NSU are cream puffs. NC A&T isn’t at the moment.
2017 12-0
https://fbschedules.com/ncaa-2017/team/n...arolina-at
2018 10-2
2019 9-3
2-1 vs FBS the last 3 seasons. Were scheduled to play @ NDSU this season. Not sure if rescheduled.

The Blue Hose game is a joke.

I have suffered the Blue Hose several times as a teenager. I can assure you it is no joke!

(12-11-2020 08:28 AM)Potomac Wrote:  We now have the spring 2021 schedule in its completed form, including kickoff times. No games will kick off later than 4pm.

I don't know about "completed" form. I mean, you need to include the following:

Apr. 24 home Round of 16 game time TBA
May 1 home Quarterfinal time TBA
May 8 home Semifinal time TBA
May 15 or 16 National title game at Frisco TX time TBA

What I have learned is that JMU’s peers are FCS schools Nevermind that JMU’s football budget is 308% that of the FCS median. 308%. Do you consider them peers? Yes or no?
http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...s/dce0c81b

If you do think JMU is peers with FCS programs, what we saw happen was 17 FCS schools find a way to play (with far fewer resources, in the same pandemic Environment). Somehow their rosters weren’t decimated by injuries and their programs didn’t collapse from increased burdens of COVID testing.
Some FCS schools actually played 1,2,3,or 4 FBS opponents In the Fall and are still eligible to compete for the 2nd tier FCS championship if it is held in the Spring. Seems pretty savvy to me.

JMU has hitched its wagon to the wrong horse and there is potential The Spring never gets played if participating conferences drop below 50% thereby cancelling the FCS championship. The Ivy is Already out, it appears the Patriot is leaning to be out. 4 other schools played too many games and are not eligible for the Spring which puts us at 15% not playing in the Spring. Many other FCS programs are in dire straits financially and could shut down for a season or permanently along with deep budget cuts at Their respective schools. It isn’t hard to see MEAC or SWAC programs unable to field teams without the financial Benefit of FBS guarantee pay games to float their boat.

We should never condone poor decisions in the athletics department, even moreso when the empty hand is extended in our direction asking for additional money. 141 D-1 teams were wrong and JMU was right for waving the white flag? C’mon. Maybe Alger’s real full name is Algerchambeau with full French lineage and an aversion to competition. That would explain the spineless Athletic decisions he has etched into his resume during his tenure.

Looking forward to the Winter/Spring when JMU has 25% of its scheduled games dedicated to Morehead State and Robert Morris.

Yes, quick let’s jump into the Deloreon after we invite ourselves into an FBS conference and play a fall schedule then opt out of the bowl game like other programs. Or just stay FCS and play some games in the fall just in case the spring gets cancelled. Living in hindsight is hard enough, but doing the time travel to the future and back again gets tricky.

The OP is updated with the viewing options known for the spring season. Further TV games will be announced later on.

The OP has been updated with the full fall 2021 schedule. It's tough to tell how tough this schedule is until we see how the Spring 2021 season pans out.

FWIW I see Towson is hosting NDSU on 9/18 as part of a home an home.
https://towsontigers.com/news/2021/2/10/...edule.aspx
UD came get a home and home with NDSU (2018-2019) as can Towson (2021-2022), but JMU can't...

(02-11-2021 12:46 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  FWIW I see Towson is hosting NDSU on 9/18 as part of a home an home.
https://towsontigers.com/news/2021/2/10/...edule.aspx
UD came get a home and home with NDSU (2018-2019) as can Towson (2021-2022), but JMU can't...

Playing NDSU in the regular season does nothing for either team. JMU has already shown in previous scheduling years that they want wins to ensure a playoff appearance/seed

Although I do remember there being talks of setting something up but the schools couldnt come to an agreement

It would make staying FCS more bearable from a fan standpoint. So, not nothing entirely.

(02-11-2021 01:04 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(02-11-2021 12:46 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  FWIW I see Towson is hosting NDSU on 9/18 as part of a home an home.
https://towsontigers.com/news/2021/2/10/...edule.aspx
UD came get a home and home with NDSU (2018-2019) as can Towson (2021-2022), but JMU can't...

Playing NDSU in the regular season does nothing for either team. JMU has already shown in previous scheduling years that they want wins to ensure a playoff appearance/seed

Although I do remember there being talks of setting something up but the schools couldnt come to an agreement

I was told NDSU was willing to have us play there but not willing to come to JMU. If you think about it from a historical perspective, there is a good chance we will meet somewhere in the playoffs each year so why play in the regular season?