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(11-10-2021 09:09 AM)Potomac Wrote:  The only way JMU is playing multiple FBS is if they're not playing a CAA football schedule. I suppose that ship may have sailed but I'd still put it at a less than 50% chance of occurring that we have 8 CAA games.

Remember CAA Football is a separate entity and hasn't responded with the pettiness that the regular CAA has so far. Most FCS are still playing in their FCS conferences in their final FCS year/first transitioning year. App, CCU, GSU are all recent examples.

I mean...we could play a CAA schedule, but it doesn't do us much good. We would be ineligible for the CAA title because of NCAA mandates. We will be over the FCS scholarship limit as we transition from 63 to 85 scholarships.
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Agreed, it doesn’t make sense to count on CAA games next year. They should be backups in the event JMU can’t get enough opponents. The time to elevate the program is now and you don’t do that by continuing to play mostly FCS games.
Maybe Cignetti wants more FCS opponents so he doesn’t eat a losing season on his record, but they would be hollow victories in my book.
Challenge the team, challenge the program. FCS playoffs and FBS postseason are not available in 2022 so the regular season is the prize.
This team can beat G5 teams as it has shown. It can also beat some P5 teams as it has shown.
No need to tip-toe into this thing.
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(11-10-2021 09:08 AM)Potomac Wrote:  
(11-08-2021 07:02 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  
(11-08-2021 06:52 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  uconn and umass only have 11 games scheduled right now...... so i'd expect we'll play one or both in 2022
Good catch! Both teams have same two weekends open so it would be bice to snag them both.

UConn 10/22 & 11/5
UMass 10/22 & 11/5

JMU is at Louisville on 11/5/22. The only open date is 10/22 unless pre-scheduled games get moved around or cancelled.

10/22 is both schools first 'open' date and might be their bye week. UMass and JMU both have 8/27 open.
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(11-10-2021 10:51 AM)Bill Wrote:  
(11-10-2021 09:08 AM)Potomac Wrote:  
(11-08-2021 07:02 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  
(11-08-2021 06:52 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  uconn and umass only have 11 games scheduled right now...... so i'd expect we'll play one or both in 2022
Good catch! Both teams have same two weekends open so it would be bice to snag them both.

UConn 10/22 & 11/5
UMass 10/22 & 11/5

JMU is at Louisville on 11/5/22. The only open date is 10/22 unless pre-scheduled games get moved around or cancelled.

10/22 is both schools first 'open' date and might be their bye week. UMass and JMU both have 8/27 open.
Most schools have 8/27 open, that’s week 0 and only a few teams are in action, week 1 starts the following weekend 9/3. Vandy has 12 games and 2 open dates, they start off at Hawaii and teams get an extra game to schedule to entice them to go out there. Perhaps Vandy would like a 13th game 10/1 or 10/29.

Quote: Week Zero is the unofficial name for the weekend of college football games that begins before the majority of teams hit the gridiron in Week 1.

Under NCAA Bylaw 17.11.4, FBS and FCS teams cannot play their first contest until the Thursday preceding Labor Day. Beginning in 2016, an exception to this rule was added (Bylaw 17.11.4.1) that allows Hawaii and teams that play in Hawaii, plus their opponents, the option to play one week earlier on the Saturday before Labor Day weekend.

This season, the Hawaii Rainbow Warriors travel to take on the UCLA Bruins. The game is set for 3:30pm ET and it will be televised by ESPN.

Three other matchups have been scheduled for Week Zero since three of the involved teams, Fresno State, New Mexico State, and San Jose State, play Hawaii this season. Fresno State hosts UConn at 2:00pm ET (CBSSN), New Mexico State hosts UTEP at 9:30pm ET (Bally Sports AZ / KVIA / FloFootball), and San Jose State caps off the day hosting Southern Utah at 10:00pm ET (CBSSN).

A second exception, Bylaw 17.11.4.2, also provides Football Championship Subdivision (FCS) schools the opportunity to play in Week Zero. In order to qualify, the contest must be a non-conference matchup that is nationally televised (broadcast or cable; not Internet only).

For the 2021 season, one FCS matchup meets that qualification and is scheduled for Week Zero. The Alcorn State Braves and the North Carolina Central Eagles square off in the Cricket MEAC/SWAC Challenge at Center Parc Stadium in Atlanta, Ga. ESPN will televise the game at 7:00pm ET.

Two other matchups that are scheduled for Week Zero did not meet the qualifications, but the schools applied for and received an exemption from the NCAA. In the first Week Zero matchup at 1:00pm ET, Nebraska will travel to take on Illinois with coverage on FOX. The matchup was originally slated to be played in Dublin, Ireland, but was moved stateside due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Another NCAA rule, commonly known as the Hawaii Exemption, allows Hawaii and teams that play in Hawaii the opportunity to schedule a 13th game. This helps those schools earn an extra paycheck, gate revenue, etc. to offset the larger cost of traveling to and from the islands.

Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) teams can play a maximum of 12 regular-season games each year, per Bylaw 17.11.6.1. However, Bylaw 17.11.6.2 (g) permits any football games played in Alaska, Hawaii, and Puerto Rico to not count against the maximum number of contests.
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That is a good reminder for the Hawaii exception. If JMU plays at Hawaii in the future they can play an extra game that year.
What is better than 11 games in FCS? 12 games in FBS
What is better than 12 games in FBS? 13 games in FBS
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i doubt we play a CAA schedule next year. Purple is going to get his Indy schedule wish IMO.
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yeah..we might see 1-2 CAA teams...2-3 other FCS...and FBS Indy rest of the way in 22
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(11-10-2021 01:04 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  i doubt we play a CAA schedule next year. Purple is going to get his Indy schedule wish IMO.

Uh oh, Mike Greene said in his interview with Dave Riggert in relation to playing W&M, "I think we might play them next year, i don't know.". It's official. Sorry to disappoint you Hart.
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You all do realize this schedule is going to be a majority of FCS teams, right? Here's recent history as an example.

GA State 2012 - 1 FBS, 10 FCS (full CAA schedule)
ODU 2013 - 5 FBS (4 if you don't count Idaho who is now FCS and was all but transitioning down), 7 FCS (FCS Independent)
App State 2013 - 1 FBS, 11 FCS (full SoCon schedule)
GA Southern 2013 - 1 FBS, 10 FCS (full SoCon schedule)
UNC Charlotte 2014 - 0 FBS, 11 FCS (or lower division) (FCS Independent)
Coastal Carolina 2016 - 0 FBS, 12 FCS (full Big South schedule)
Liberty 2017 - 1 FBS, 10 FCS (full Big South schedule)

There are seven FBS move-ups in the past 10 seasons. All but one had regular FCS schedules consisting of a single FBS opponent. Five of seven were still considered members of their respective conferences through the final FCS season.

Couple in the fact that this is very last minute scheduling and we're looking at a handful of FBS games, if we take the ODU route, or a full FCS schedule otherwise. Note ODU announced May 2012 and didn't move to FBS until the 2014 season. They were able to compile a 7 FCS/5 FBS schedule with more than a year's notice. JMU doesn't have that luxury.
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One variable to consider, JMU is already at 80 scholarships and doesn’t have to ramp up as much.
Another variable to consider, with more lenient transfer rules now Cig could bring in several impact transfers of every class and not have to rely on mostly freshmen recruits that take years to develop.

There are FBS games out there still. If JMU wants them, they can get them. We will see if they want them because most, if not all, FBS games would be on the road next year.

I know BDK may blow a gasket, but next year may be justified to only have 5 home games if that means JMU can get multiple FBS pay games on the road. Thereby setting up some future FBS home games when JMU is fully transitioned and playing with a full deck.

We’ll see. The opportunity is there.
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Another thing to consider is the senior players don’t have a chance next year for FCS postseason or FBS postseason. The regular season needs to be their “Super Bowl” and games against FBS teams will be great opportunities for them to prove themselves and leave a legacy.
We shouldn’t see 1 FBS game and 11 FCS games.
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FYI - When Hampton left the MEAC for the Big South, they announced in November 2017 that they would leave after the next season...and then the MEAC teams waited until February to screw them over by cancelling all of their 2018 games with Hampton and blacklisting them. Hampton was forced to play five non-D1 games.

I am saying that I don't know know if we can trust CAA Football.
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Honestly **** the CAA. I do not want to pay a cent to any team left in this joke of a conference
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(11-10-2021 06:53 PM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote:  FYI - When Hampton left the MEAC for the Big South, they announced in November 2017 that they would leave after the next season...and then the MEAC teams waited until February to screw them over by cancelling all of their 2018 games with Hampton and blacklisting them. Hampton was forced to play five non-D1 games.

I am saying that I don't know know if we can trust CAA Football.

That is a very good point. Work as if we need to schedule 12 games and don’t count on the 8 CAA games being there. If it becomes a bailout option, fine. But don’t get rooked.
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(11-10-2021 06:53 PM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote:  FYI - When Hampton left the MEAC for the Big South, they announced in November 2017 that they would leave after the next season...and then the MEAC teams waited until February to screw them over by cancelling all of their 2018 games with Hampton and blacklisting them. Hampton was forced to play five non-D1 games.

I am saying that I don't know know if we can trust CAA Football.


After today’s further fiasco and no FCS postseason in 2022 anyways, I’d rather we just said **** them and went true independent next year. Schedule what we can with FBS and FCS, including CAA our admin hold in good faith still. Otherwise, we don’t need to waste another day in this conference in any sport longer than we have to.

I’d rather schedule socon, Patriot, NEC and big south teams next year instead.
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(11-10-2021 11:20 PM)Potomac Wrote:  
(11-10-2021 06:53 PM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote:  FYI - When Hampton left the MEAC for the Big South, they announced in November 2017 that they would leave after the next season...and then the MEAC teams waited until February to screw them over by cancelling all of their 2018 games with Hampton and blacklisting them. Hampton was forced to play five non-D1 games.

I am saying that I don't know know if we can trust CAA Football.


After today’s further fiasco and no FCS postseason in 2022 anyways, I’d rather we just said **** them and went true independent next year. Schedule what we can with FBS and FCS, including CAA our admin hold in good faith still. Otherwise, we don’t need to waste another day in this conference in any sport longer than we have to.

I’d rather schedule socon, Patriot, NEC and big south teams next year instead.
These CAA schools didn’t want to play us while in this conference, not sure who would want to next year. Considering the conference was unanimous in booting us, denying us an appeal and then rejecting our student-athletes appeal, I say F&$* ‘em and don’t even consider scheduling. I’d hate to see us think we have some games lined up and then the snakes renege at the last moment and leave us holding the bag.
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Youch, didn't know Hampton was hosed like that.
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Bridges have been burned between the full CAA schools and JMU. But the football only schools and JMU could still play each other. I wouldn't be surprised to see a few of them on the schedule.
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(11-11-2021 07:08 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  These CAA schools didn’t want to play us while in this conference, not sure who would want to next year. Considering the conference was unanimous in booting us, denying us an appeal and then rejecting our student-athletes appeal, I say F&$* ‘em and don’t even consider scheduling. I’d hate to see us think we have some games lined up and then the snakes renege at the last moment and leave us holding the bag.

I believe this drama pertains to the CAA main conference (olympic sports). CAA Football is a separate legal entity and that football conference has actually not retaliated against JMU in any way as far as I know of. We're still eligible to win the title this year, for example.

I don't believe the presidents of the CAA football affiliate schools had any vote or say in this drama. If we still get along with them and both sides can agree on a game, probably in Harrisonburg, I say why not?

The affiliate football members are Richmond, Villanova, Stony Brook, Albany, Rhode Island, New Hampshire and Maine.
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(11-11-2021 09:43 AM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  Bridges have been burned between the full CAA schools and JMU. But the football only schools and JMU could still play each other. I wouldn't be surprised to see a few of them on the schedule.

True. I could see us playing teams like Richmond and Villanova. For the other CAA teams, if we can play literally anyone else, we will. Either that or Bourne is going to make the cancellation buyout a million dollars for each game so if they try to screw us then make a load of money.
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