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Got my first shot (Pfizer) on Friday!

I will be virus-proof in 5 weeks - - at which point Herr Fauci and Commandant Northam can k.m.a.
03-21-2021 07:06 AM
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(03-21-2021 07:06 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Got my first shot (Pfizer) on Friday!

I will be virus-proof in 5 weeks - - at which point Herr Fauci and Commandant Northam can k.m.a.

Congrats, comrade. I get my second on 4/6. Unfortunately, we have to keep masking hard to make sure that we don't disappoint Dear Leader Fauci. Whatever you do, DO NOT OFFEND THE PARTY. It's time to double down, comrade, and if you do, Premier Biden might let us enjoy the pretense of some liberty on July 4, so long as we limit participants, mask up, and social distance during our celebratory bbq, but do keep in mind that July 4 is only a symbolic holiday as we reflect on the fact that 7/4/1776 was not the true founding of our great nation.
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The report we all knew was coming:

Quote:Now that the 2020 figures have been properly tallied, there’s still no convincing evidence that strict lockdowns reduced the death toll from Covid-19. But one effect is clear: more deaths from other causes, especially among the young and middle-aged, minorities, and the less affluent.

Sadly, the lockdown was simply too politically useful (and emotionally thrilling, for many who did not themselves have to deal with the consequences):

Quote:During the spring, panicked officials claimed the lockdowns were a temporary measure justified by projections that hospitals would be overwhelmed. But then the lockdowns continued long after it became clear that the projections were wildly wrong.

The consequences are still being tallied, and likely will be with us for decades:

Quote:If a corporation behaved this way, continuing knowingly to sell an unproven drug or medical treatment with fatal side effects, its executives would be facing lawsuits, bankruptcy, and criminal charges. But the lockdown proponents are recklessly staying the course, still insisting that lockdowns work. The burden of proof rests with those imposing such a dangerous policy, and they haven’t met it. There’s still no proof that lockdowns save any lives—let alone enough to compensate for the lives they end.

Yet here we are, hidden away in an off-topic sub-forum, to be read by only a small handful of people.

Full article: https://www.city-journal.org/death-and-lockdowns
03-23-2021 05:34 AM
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(03-23-2021 05:34 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  The report we all knew was coming:

Quote:Now that the 2020 figures have been properly tallied, there’s still no convincing evidence that strict lockdowns reduced the death toll from Covid-19. But one effect is clear: more deaths from other causes, especially among the young and middle-aged, minorities, and the less affluent.

Sadly, the lockdown was simply too politically useful (and emotionally thrilling, for many who did not themselves have to deal with the consequences):

Quote:During the spring, panicked officials claimed the lockdowns were a temporary measure justified by projections that hospitals would be overwhelmed. But then the lockdowns continued long after it became clear that the projections were wildly wrong.

The consequences are still being tallied, and likely will be with us for decades:

Quote:If a corporation behaved this way, continuing knowingly to sell an unproven drug or medical treatment with fatal side effects, its executives would be facing lawsuits, bankruptcy, and criminal charges. But the lockdown proponents are recklessly staying the course, still insisting that lockdowns work. The burden of proof rests with those imposing such a dangerous policy, and they haven’t met it. There’s still no proof that lockdowns save any lives—let alone enough to compensate for the lives they end.

Yet here we are, hidden away in an off-topic sub-forum, to be read by only a small handful of people.

Full article: https://www.city-journal.org/death-and-lockdowns

That is a great article. The best I have seen yet at quantifying the downside to lockdowns, and the data that shows that they are ineffective.
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I'll dive into that piece late. Looking forward to reading it

Meanwhile, did you see this bs?





These masks are just for show anyway. The coaches and players are tested every single day while living in this bubble. Does anyone really think they are even necessary?
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Aren't masks really just for show in general. Surely, the public health officials are smart enough to have examined the data and realize that they are completely ineffective. Or maybe not. If there is one thing I have learned from this pandemic, it is that our public health officials are nowhere near the best and the brightest, and they are mostly political animals groveling at the trough of government funds. As long as it makes the people who set their budget happy, they will say anything you ask them to.
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(03-23-2021 10:53 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Aren't masks really just for show in general. Surely, the public health officials are smart enough to have examined the data and realize that they are completely ineffective. Or maybe not. If there is one thing I have learned from this pandemic, it is that our public health officials are nowhere near the best and the brightest, and they are mostly political animals groveling at the trough of government funds. As long as it makes the people who set their budget happy, they will say anything you ask them to.

When I become virus-proof on April 23 - - two weeks following my scheduled 2nd shot - - I will be letting my grocery store manager, librarian, USPS clerk, sandwich shop proprietors, etc. know that if they wish to retain my business or charitable support that they will excuse me from further mask wearing.

There is a workaround option for everyone of them. I may be inconvenienced, but they will be the worse off if they force me to use it.

This also includes my ODU season-ticket representative. I have very much missed attending live mbb games this season. I hope to be able to attend in person next season. But I will not do so under a mask mandate.

Perhaps I am alone in this - - in which case no one will care a fig. Or perhaps I am one of countless others who quietly agree, in which case ODU (and the fascist wannabes in the Northam administration) might want to rethink their unwarranted exercise of control.
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(03-23-2021 10:53 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Aren't masks really just for show in general. Surely, the public health officials are smart enough to have examined the data and realize that they are completely ineffective. Or maybe not. If there is one thing I have learned from this pandemic, it is that our public health officials are nowhere near the best and the brightest, and they are mostly political animals groveling at the trough of government funds. As long as it makes the people who set their budget happy, they will say anything you ask them to.

I am not the best and brightest either, so maybe I am misinterpreting the data I’ve seen. But my understanding is that even the thinnest of veils do have some effect in preventing the transmission of particles. But your other point about public health officials is on point. They all answer to someone. Birx is a classic example.
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(03-23-2021 10:53 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Aren't masks really just for show in general. Surely, the public health officials are smart enough to have examined the data and realize that they are completely ineffective. Or maybe not. If there is one thing I have learned from this pandemic, it is that our public health officials are nowhere near the best and the brightest, and they are mostly political animals groveling at the trough of government funds. As long as it makes the people who set their budget happy, they will say anything you ask them to.

When I become virus-proof on April 23 - - two weeks following my scheduled 2nd shot - - I will be letting my grocery store manager, librarian, USPS clerk, sandwich shop proprietors, etc. know that if they wish to retain my business or charitable support that they will excuse me from further mask wearing.

There is a workaround option for everyone of them. I may be inconvenienced, but they will be the worse off if they force me to use it.

This also includes my ODU season-ticket representative. I have very much missed attending live mbb games this season. I hope to be able to attend in person next season. But I will not do so under a mask mandate.

Perhaps I am alone in this - - in which case no one will care a fig. Or perhaps I am one of countless others who quietly agree, in which case ODU (and the fascist wannabes in the Northam administration) might want to rethink their unwarranted exercise of control.

You are not alone. There are plenty of anti-maskers who won’t wear one even without vaccination. But I have been thinking about how mask policy thinking will change as more people get vaccinated. I got my first shot yesterday. I think the pressure on our government and business leaders to eliminate mask policies (or at least adjust them) will increase substantially once the majority of people have been vaccinated. I keep hearing “not yet”, but when? I would certainly think it would be by basketball season. Hopefully by football season. But until then I will continue to wear a mask. I don’t have the huztpah that you do to walk into a store with a mask policy and tell them I am not wearing a mask or I am walking. I would rather just take care of business with a mask on. More power to you brother.
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(03-30-2021 08:13 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 10:53 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Aren't masks really just for show in general. Surely, the public health officials are smart enough to have examined the data and realize that they are completely ineffective. Or maybe not. If there is one thing I have learned from this pandemic, it is that our public health officials are nowhere near the best and the brightest, and they are mostly political animals groveling at the trough of government funds. As long as it makes the people who set their budget happy, they will say anything you ask them to.

I am not the best and brightest either, so maybe I am misinterpreting the data I’ve seen. But my understanding is that even the thinnest of veils do have some effect in preventing the transmission of particles. But your other point about public health officials is on point. They all answer to someone. Birx is a classic example.

There is "evidence" that dummies (like the crash test time, not the politician kind) wearing a mask when a fog machine is turned on emit fewer particles. In the real world there is a study out of Denmark (the largest mask study conducted thus far in real world conditions) that shows there is no statistically significant difference in infection rates when masks are involved. Further, there has been quite a bit of data analysis done in the US and no statistically significant difference has been found between places with and without mask mandates. I, however, don't think you need to even look that deeply. California has almost 100% mask compliance, Florida is not even close to that, yet California continues to have a more difficult time containing the virus statistically. You can also look at graphs of the virus spread overlaid with mask mandates dates and see that the curve for infection rates is not at all affected by the implementation of a mask mandate.

We have "lockdowns" and mask mandates because if we didn't our government officials would not have any policy to hang their hats on. People would be asking what the hell they are doing while the virus "rages out of control" if they didn't do something... so this is what they have chosen to do, and admitting that it doesn't work would render them powerless.

And don't even get me started on the schools that STILL are not open full time.
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(03-30-2021 08:30 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  
(03-30-2021 05:24 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 10:53 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Aren't masks really just for show in general. Surely, the public health officials are smart enough to have examined the data and realize that they are completely ineffective. Or maybe not. If there is one thing I have learned from this pandemic, it is that our public health officials are nowhere near the best and the brightest, and they are mostly political animals groveling at the trough of government funds. As long as it makes the people who set their budget happy, they will say anything you ask them to.

When I become virus-proof on April 23 - - two weeks following my scheduled 2nd shot - - I will be letting my grocery store manager, librarian, USPS clerk, sandwich shop proprietors, etc. know that if they wish to retain my business or charitable support that they will excuse me from further mask wearing.

There is a workaround option for everyone of them. I may be inconvenienced, but they will be the worse off if they force me to use it.

This also includes my ODU season-ticket representative. I have very much missed attending live mbb games this season. I hope to be able to attend in person next season. But I will not do so under a mask mandate.

Perhaps I am alone in this - - in which case no one will care a fig. Or perhaps I am one of countless others who quietly agree, in which case ODU (and the fascist wannabes in the Northam administration) might want to rethink their unwarranted exercise of control.

You are not alone. There are plenty of anti-maskers who won’t wear one even without vaccination. But I have been thinking about how mask policy thinking will change as more people get vaccinated. I got my first shot yesterday. I think the pressure on our government and business leaders to eliminate mask policies (or at least adjust them) will increase substantially once the majority of people have been vaccinated. I keep hearing “not yet”, but when? I would certainly think it would be by basketball season. Hopefully by football season. But until then I will continue to wear a mask. I don’t have the huztpah that you do to walk into a store with a mask policy and tell them I am not wearing a mask or I am walking. I would rather just take care of business with a mask on. More power to you brother.

I am like you on this one, and I think most people are. Unfortunately, it is going to take a lot more people like Adopted walking into stores without a mask to end this. My position is that I will wear a mask after full vaccination until it becomes commonplace to see people not wearing a mask. (I am part of the problem, IMO). This scenario is a problem for the government, which is why they keep telling us that people who have been vaccinated must still wear a mask, because if they don't then it will give everyone else license to exercise their personal choice, and almost nobody will be wearing masks. Then all government control is gone, and we know that is what scares our masters the most.
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(03-30-2021 12:45 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(03-30-2021 08:13 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 10:53 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Aren't masks really just for show in general. Surely, the public health officials are smart enough to have examined the data and realize that they are completely ineffective. Or maybe not. If there is one thing I have learned from this pandemic, it is that our public health officials are nowhere near the best and the brightest, and they are mostly political animals groveling at the trough of government funds. As long as it makes the people who set their budget happy, they will say anything you ask them to.

I am not the best and brightest either, so maybe I am misinterpreting the data I’ve seen. But my understanding is that even the thinnest of veils do have some effect in preventing the transmission of particles. But your other point about public health officials is on point. They all answer to someone. Birx is a classic example.

There is "evidence" that dummies (like the crash test time, not the politician kind) wearing a mask when a fog machine is turned on emit fewer particles. In the real world there is a study out of Denmark (the largest mask study conducted thus far in real world conditions) that shows there is no statistically significant difference in infection rates when masks are involved. Further, there has been quite a bit of data analysis done in the US and no statistically significant difference has been found between places with and without mask mandates. I, however, don't think you need to even look that deeply. California has almost 100% mask compliance, Florida is not even close to that, yet California continues to have a more difficult time containing the virus statistically. You can also look at graphs of the virus spread overlaid with mask mandates dates and see that the curve for infection rates is not at all affected by the implementation of a mask mandate.

We have "lockdowns" and mask mandates because if we didn't our government officials would not have any policy to hang their hats on. People would be asking what the hell they are doing while the virus "rages out of control" if they didn't do something... so this is what they have chosen to do, and admitting that it doesn't work would render them powerless.

And don't even get me started on the schools that STILL are not open full time.

The problem with all of the other studies you mention is that they don’t isolate the effect of wearing a mask on transmission. They evaluate the effect of mask policies as well as all other policies in effect at the same time. There is no real world scenario where a population all wear masks for a period and then nobody wears masks for a second period and then they compare the results of transmission. The only way to properly evaluate the transmission rate is in a lab. But even that is flawed because you don’t measure actual transmission of the disease, only particles. They make the assumption that if more particles are in the air, there is more transmission of the disease. And you are right, officials feel the pressure to do something and they rely on the lab studies to justify a mask policy. And there is always a portion of the population that won’t wear masks at all, so if infections don’t go down they can say “well, more people need to wear masks”. In reality, there a a lot more factors involved. People not distancing, gathering in large groups, not washing, etc.
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(03-30-2021 12:51 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(03-30-2021 08:30 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  
(03-30-2021 05:24 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 10:53 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Aren't masks really just for show in general. Surely, the public health officials are smart enough to have examined the data and realize that they are completely ineffective. Or maybe not. If there is one thing I have learned from this pandemic, it is that our public health officials are nowhere near the best and the brightest, and they are mostly political animals groveling at the trough of government funds. As long as it makes the people who set their budget happy, they will say anything you ask them to.

When I become virus-proof on April 23 - - two weeks following my scheduled 2nd shot - - I will be letting my grocery store manager, librarian, USPS clerk, sandwich shop proprietors, etc. know that if they wish to retain my business or charitable support that they will excuse me from further mask wearing.

There is a workaround option for everyone of them. I may be inconvenienced, but they will be the worse off if they force me to use it.

This also includes my ODU season-ticket representative. I have very much missed attending live mbb games this season. I hope to be able to attend in person next season. But I will not do so under a mask mandate.

Perhaps I am alone in this - - in which case no one will care a fig. Or perhaps I am one of countless others who quietly agree, in which case ODU (and the fascist wannabes in the Northam administration) might want to rethink their unwarranted exercise of control.

You are not alone. There are plenty of anti-maskers who won’t wear one even without vaccination. But I have been thinking about how mask policy thinking will change as more people get vaccinated. I got my first shot yesterday. I think the pressure on our government and business leaders to eliminate mask policies (or at least adjust them) will increase substantially once the majority of people have been vaccinated. I keep hearing “not yet”, but when? I would certainly think it would be by basketball season. Hopefully by football season. But until then I will continue to wear a mask. I don’t have the huztpah that you do to walk into a store with a mask policy and tell them I am not wearing a mask or I am walking. I would rather just take care of business with a mask on. More power to you brother.

I am like you on this one, and I think most people are. Unfortunately, it is going to take a lot more people like Adopted walking into stores without a mask to end this. My position is that I will wear a mask after full vaccination until it becomes commonplace to see people not wearing a mask. (I am part of the problem, IMO). This scenario is a problem for the government, which is why they keep telling us that people who have been vaccinated must still wear a mask, because if they don't then it will give everyone else license to exercise their personal choice, and almost nobody will be wearing masks. Then all government control is gone, and we know that is what scares our masters the most.

Maybe you are right. I know many in government are power hungry. But I’d like to think they want to get rid of masks just as much as the rest of us. I think when most people are vaccinated they will feel the pressure. But they need to be thinking now about when that endpoint will be. The only thing I’ve heard is “herd immunity” but there is no real consensus on what that means. I’d like to hear something like % of population vaccinated.
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I am actually more optimistic than I’ve been in some time that this lockdown hysteria is mostly behind us. Not necessarily because of the vaccinations, which I hope are as effective as promised but may turn out to just be window dressing. But instead because human nature will always find a way to wriggle out from under the thumb of oppression.

Fortunately, our current set of oppressors are not particularly brutal in their approach, and I believe that many were just going through the motions for political advantage in an election year. The method of enforcement on masking and social-distancing (so far) has been little more than scolding. I really don’t think that our current set of authoritarian wannabes have the nerve to attempt anything more than that. Nor the desire. There is no political advantage to doing so.

If, after I am fully vaccinated, the Harris Teeter on Colonial Avenue still insists on enforcing mask requirements for entry, I will take my weekly shopping over to the Food Lion on Tidewater Drive - - which already is fairly lax in requesting mask compliance. How will Commandant Northam be able to stop that from happening? I am a heavy user of the USPS, and my local clerk is a pretty cool guy. But if he is forced to prohibit me from entry after I am fully vaccinated, I will easily switch my shipping practices to UPS. There is a workaround for virtually everything.

Truly, the thing I am most concerned about is not being allowed to attend next season’s ODU mbb home games. I will be sad if that happens.
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(03-30-2021 02:29 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  
(03-30-2021 12:45 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(03-30-2021 08:13 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 10:53 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Aren't masks really just for show in general. Surely, the public health officials are smart enough to have examined the data and realize that they are completely ineffective. Or maybe not. If there is one thing I have learned from this pandemic, it is that our public health officials are nowhere near the best and the brightest, and they are mostly political animals groveling at the trough of government funds. As long as it makes the people who set their budget happy, they will say anything you ask them to.

I am not the best and brightest either, so maybe I am misinterpreting the data I’ve seen. But my understanding is that even the thinnest of veils do have some effect in preventing the transmission of particles. But your other point about public health officials is on point. They all answer to someone. Birx is a classic example.

There is "evidence" that dummies (like the crash test time, not the politician kind) wearing a mask when a fog machine is turned on emit fewer particles. In the real world there is a study out of Denmark (the largest mask study conducted thus far in real world conditions) that shows there is no statistically significant difference in infection rates when masks are involved. Further, there has been quite a bit of data analysis done in the US and no statistically significant difference has been found between places with and without mask mandates. I, however, don't think you need to even look that deeply. California has almost 100% mask compliance, Florida is not even close to that, yet California continues to have a more difficult time containing the virus statistically. You can also look at graphs of the virus spread overlaid with mask mandates dates and see that the curve for infection rates is not at all affected by the implementation of a mask mandate.

We have "lockdowns" and mask mandates because if we didn't our government officials would not have any policy to hang their hats on. People would be asking what the hell they are doing while the virus "rages out of control" if they didn't do something... so this is what they have chosen to do, and admitting that it doesn't work would render them powerless.

And don't even get me started on the schools that STILL are not open full time.

The problem with all of the other studies you mention is that they don’t isolate the effect of wearing a mask on transmission. They evaluate the effect of mask policies as well as all other policies in effect at the same time. There is no real world scenario where a population all wear masks for a period and then nobody wears masks for a second period and then they compare the results of transmission. The only way to properly evaluate the transmission rate is in a lab. But even that is flawed because you don’t measure actual transmission of the disease, only particles. They make the assumption that if more particles are in the air, there is more transmission of the disease. And you are right, officials feel the pressure to do something and they rely on the lab studies to justify a mask policy. And there is always a portion of the population that won’t wear masks at all, so if infections don’t go down they can say “well, more people need to wear masks”. In reality, there a a lot more factors involved. People not distancing, gathering in large groups, not washing, etc.

We'll have to agree to disagree on whether dodgy lab tests or a mountain of anecdotal data is more convincing. I am definitely more persuaded by the fact that there is no real word data that suggests that mask mandates, or lockdowns for that matter, are working and am further persuaded by the fact that prior to this pandemic and a political need to show that you are doing SOMETHING, it was considered settled science that masks do not effectively prevent transmission of this type of virus.
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RE: OT - Coronavirus Part II
(03-30-2021 02:37 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  
(03-30-2021 12:51 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(03-30-2021 08:30 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  
(03-30-2021 05:24 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 10:53 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Aren't masks really just for show in general. Surely, the public health officials are smart enough to have examined the data and realize that they are completely ineffective. Or maybe not. If there is one thing I have learned from this pandemic, it is that our public health officials are nowhere near the best and the brightest, and they are mostly political animals groveling at the trough of government funds. As long as it makes the people who set their budget happy, they will say anything you ask them to.

When I become virus-proof on April 23 - - two weeks following my scheduled 2nd shot - - I will be letting my grocery store manager, librarian, USPS clerk, sandwich shop proprietors, etc. know that if they wish to retain my business or charitable support that they will excuse me from further mask wearing.

There is a workaround option for everyone of them. I may be inconvenienced, but they will be the worse off if they force me to use it.

This also includes my ODU season-ticket representative. I have very much missed attending live mbb games this season. I hope to be able to attend in person next season. But I will not do so under a mask mandate.

Perhaps I am alone in this - - in which case no one will care a fig. Or perhaps I am one of countless others who quietly agree, in which case ODU (and the fascist wannabes in the Northam administration) might want to rethink their unwarranted exercise of control.

You are not alone. There are plenty of anti-maskers who won’t wear one even without vaccination. But I have been thinking about how mask policy thinking will change as more people get vaccinated. I got my first shot yesterday. I think the pressure on our government and business leaders to eliminate mask policies (or at least adjust them) will increase substantially once the majority of people have been vaccinated. I keep hearing “not yet”, but when? I would certainly think it would be by basketball season. Hopefully by football season. But until then I will continue to wear a mask. I don’t have the huztpah that you do to walk into a store with a mask policy and tell them I am not wearing a mask or I am walking. I would rather just take care of business with a mask on. More power to you brother.

I am like you on this one, and I think most people are. Unfortunately, it is going to take a lot more people like Adopted walking into stores without a mask to end this. My position is that I will wear a mask after full vaccination until it becomes commonplace to see people not wearing a mask. (I am part of the problem, IMO). This scenario is a problem for the government, which is why they keep telling us that people who have been vaccinated must still wear a mask, because if they don't then it will give everyone else license to exercise their personal choice, and almost nobody will be wearing masks. Then all government control is gone, and we know that is what scares our masters the most.

Maybe you are right. I know many in government are power hungry. But I’d like to think they want to get rid of masks just as much as the rest of us. I think when most people are vaccinated they will feel the pressure. But they need to be thinking now about when that endpoint will be. The only thing I’ve heard is “herd immunity” but there is no real consensus on what that means. I’d like to hear something like % of population vaccinated.

I worded that poorly. I don't think, in most cases, that these mandates come from a hunger for power, but rather a need to empower the narrative that leaders are doing everything that they can to control this virus. Many in our political sphere have created a world where their constituents expect them (the government) to solve all of their problems. In order to maintain the facade that keeps people looking to government to solve all kinds of problems, they need to demonstrate that they are doing everything in their power to solve this one. If they were to just admit that they are incapable of doing anything to solve this issue because a virus is going to virus, then they fear that facade would begin to crumble, and their entire platform would be weakened, or to put it another way, people's trust in their leaders would be weakened.
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