(11-23-2020 10:46 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-23-2020 10:43 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(11-23-2020 10:40 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(11-23-2020 10:26 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  Only DJ Jefferies at 39% shot better than Lomax's 36.4% from 3 last year.

So there's that.

That %tage is on 0.7 attempts per game (yes, less than 1 per game) and his attempts were pretty much unguarded since no one respects his shot. Percentages are noise with samples like that. Teams wouldnt even close out on him and he STILL hesitated

One of the things that I must give Calipari credit for was Antonio Burks, who didn't become a good 3-point shooter until his senior year, especially his Junior year, would take one step inside the 3 point line and hit the 18-footer. Likewise, Antonio Anderson, did the same his senior season when he struggled with his 3 point shot. I'd like to see Alo do the same. He's open enough that he can take a step in.
His role wasn’t to shoot threes, so there’s that.

If you are standing at the 3 point line and your man has one foot in the paint and doesn't even attempt to close out...It is your job as a guard to hit that shot...Especially when you cant finish over the man guarding you.

If you told me if I don't guard Lomax at the 3 point line as an opposing coach and Lomax would only hit 1 3 a game...(I don't care if shot 100% at 1 a game). I am not guarding him.

(11-24-2020 01:05 AM)Alanda Wrote:  Boogie
Lester
Landers
Lance
Moussa

Hard for me to see DJ coming off the bench plus that lineup would be light on the frontcourt since Lance doesn't rebound well. You end up with 4 guys sitting on the perimeter.

(11-22-2020 01:35 PM)micman Wrote:  If Deandre becomes eligible, I expect him to have a bigger impact on this team than Landers. He does things that we don't really have people in that position to do. Landers' skills overlap with DJ and Lester.

I agree.

Glad to be having this convo!

(11-24-2020 11:43 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-22-2020 01:35 PM)micman Wrote:  If Deandre becomes eligible, I expect him to have a bigger impact on this team than Landers. He does things that we don't really have people in that position to do. Landers' skills overlap with DJ and Lester.

I agree.

and perhaps Cisse too

(11-24-2020 01:13 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 12:04 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-23-2020 09:40 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(11-23-2020 09:17 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-23-2020 09:10 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  If Lomax is starting by end of this tourney its a really, really bad sign for this team's ceiling.

I like Lomax and I think this team can be very very successful with Lomax at the point if Lomax is a good 3 point shooter.

Maybe so but he has never in his career been a good 3 pt shooter, is an average free throw shooter, and shoots basically a set shot off the catch at only 6 ft. Odds are against a major year over year jump.

What are you talking about? His 3 point shooting is good bordering on very good. He changed his shot mid season his freshman season and hasn't looked back. With more of an inside game, he should do just as well if not better this season.

Read the thread - discussed above. His volume is very low (way fewer than 1 3 attempted per game) and almost all his shots were with no defender within 10 ft of him. That %tage is basically noise.

In 2nd halfs we were often playing 4 on 5 because the other team would literally ignore ALo and pack the paint

Your post doesn't make sense. When he isn't guarded, he takes and makes those shots. He doesn't shoot more of them because he has defenders guarding him. He is never going to be a volume shooter. He takes those shots when they are available.

Lomax started his career 2-25 from outside. After he made adjustments to his shot, he finished the season hitting 5 out of his last 9. So over that period carrying over to last season, he shot 41.2%.

He didn't shoot many partly because he can't get his own shot, but mostly because we had nobody inside to occupy defenders and create space, and our other guys weren't hitting their threes. Having a healthy Dandridge along with Cisse and Williams being a scorer are going to make all the difference. I expect everyone to shoot better from outside.

Lomax' improvement was no fluke. He has improved both his left hand and his outside shooting since he set foot on campus. The kid is a worker who is going to improve as long as he is on the roster.

(11-23-2020 08:58 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-23-2020 06:20 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  Lomax
DJ
Cisse
Nolley
Lester

Unless Lomax has become a knock down 3 point shooter I see no way he starts over Boogie.

Just starting, he knows the offense better than anyone. Baugh, Lester, Boogie and Nolley can all play the point. And will.

(11-24-2020 01:24 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 01:13 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 12:04 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-23-2020 09:40 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(11-23-2020 09:17 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  I like Lomax and I think this team can be very very successful with Lomax at the point if Lomax is a good 3 point shooter.

Maybe so but he has never in his career been a good 3 pt shooter, is an average free throw shooter, and shoots basically a set shot off the catch at only 6 ft. Odds are against a major year over year jump.

What are you talking about? His 3 point shooting is good bordering on very good. He changed his shot mid season his freshman season and hasn't looked back. With more of an inside game, he should do just as well if not better this season.

Read the thread - discussed above. His volume is very low (way fewer than 1 3 attempted per game) and almost all his shots were with no defender within 10 ft of him. That %tage is basically noise.

In 2nd halfs we were often playing 4 on 5 because the other team would literally ignore ALo and pack the paint

So they dared him to take a three but he stuck to the game plan and rarely did. But when he did, it worked out pretty well. You’re saying that because the other team gambled, obviously Lomax isn’t a three threat.

The game plan is never to not shoot when you are Not being guarded unless your shot is unreliable.

If you won’t shoot and can’t punish me off the bounce i can sit someone in the lane to disrupt post touches and take charges for anyone else who drives.

We really need Williams bad I think...I like Thomas, but I don't think he is very consistent with his rebounding effort and his body type just doesn't allow it. If his 3pt shot is cold, then he really becomes a liability.

Rand is an unknown and could outperform our expectations, but I feel like he may end up being like a Victor Enoh, Jimario Rivers, Calvin Godfrey, David Pellom type contributor.

I think 70% of our points will be there with Boogie, Nolley, Jeffries, Quinonez.

Cisse will get putbacks and dunks and rebounds all day.

The real success of this team rest on the improvement made by Baugh, Lomax, and Dandrige. If these 3 can reduce turnovers, shoot a good %, and play good defense - then we may have something special.

I think we beat St. Marys 67-54.

Go Tigers!

(11-24-2020 02:00 PM)PennyWise Wrote:  We really need Williams bad I think...I like Thomas, but I don't think he is very consistent with his rebounding effort and his body type just doesn't allow it. If his 3pt shot is cold, then he really becomes a liability.

Rand is an unknown and could outperform our expectations, but I feel like he may end up being like a Victor Enoh, Jimario Rivers, Calvin Godfrey, David Pellom type contributor.

I think 70% of our points will be there with Boogie, Nolley, Jeffries, Quinonez.

Cisse will get putbacks and dunks and rebounds all day.

The real success of this team rest on the improvement made by Baugh, Lomax, and Dandrige. If these 3 can reduce turnovers, shoot a good %, and play good defense - then we may have something special.

I think we beat St. Marys 67-54.

Go Tigers!

I can agree with most of this.

Lomax (still the best PG on this roster)
DJJ
Cisse
Nolley
Boogie/ LQ - not sure who starts & who is 6th man

Dandridge needs to take the next step and be a 5-7 pt & 7-8 reb guy. He can provide a lot of help on the glass and defensive end. That's what they need from him - defense and rebounding.

IMO, the key to this season will be the health of DJJ. Need him to not miss any games this year.

(11-24-2020 02:00 PM)PennyWise Wrote:  We really need Williams bad I think...I like Thomas, but I don't think he is very consistent with his rebounding effort and his body type just doesn't allow it. If his 3pt shot is cold, then he really becomes a liability.

Rand is an unknown and could outperform our expectations, but I feel like he may end up being like a Victor Enoh, Jimario Rivers, Calvin Godfrey, David Pellom type contributor.

I think 70% of our points will be there with Boogie, Nolley, Jeffries, Quinonez.

Cisse will get putbacks and dunks and rebounds all day.

The real success of this team rest on the improvement made by Baugh, Lomax, and Dandrige. If these 3 can reduce turnovers, shoot a good %, and play good defense - then we may have something special.

I think we beat St. Marys 67-54.

Go Tigers!

IF Rand is anywhere near the player Pellom was before his injury, he will be awesome. It got to the point with Pellom, that his knees hurt so much, he barely ever practiced.

Is a Cisse really that good to start the first game of his first season in college over Dandridge and Thomas?

Not that he wouldn’t be the starter later in the season but first game is asking a lot. Also, Freshman bigs are usually prone to picking up lots of fouls early in the season so it won’t surprise me if he ends up spending time on the bench due to foul trouble.

Looking forward to seeing this group play tomorrow!

(11-24-2020 03:11 PM)JhanJo Wrote:  Is a Cisse really that good to start the first game of his first season in college over Dandridge and Thomas?

Not that he wouldn’t be the starter later in the season but first game is asking a lot. Also, Freshman bigs are usually prone to picking up lots of fouls early in the season so it won’t surprise me if he ends up spending time on the bench due to foul trouble.

Looking forward to seeing this group play tomorrow!

Should be interesting but I just see him overwhelming people with his physical tools.

Like you said that is going to lead to a bunch of fouls...But that only better prepares us for later in the season.

(11-24-2020 03:11 PM)JhanJo Wrote:  Is a Cisse really that good to start the first game of his first season in college over Dandridge and Thomas?

Not that he wouldn’t be the starter later in the season but first game is asking a lot. Also, Freshman bigs are usually prone to picking up lots of fouls early in the season so it won’t surprise me if he ends up spending time on the bench due to foul trouble.

Looking forward to seeing this group play tomorrow!

St. Mary’s has two 6’10s and a 7’4 to throw at him. I imagine he'll be an early target.

For the hell of it, been watching some old games on YouTube. Long before the days of 4 stars/ 5 stars, etc there was just the McDAA game. Found a game last night that Memphis started 4 McD AAs - Deuce Ford, Ced, Ren, Vaughn. For the "kids table" or whatever Calipari called it and Tubby saying you cant recruit here, I found it rather Kentucky-ish on the part of Coach Finch.

Lester and Boogie will be BUSTING THE TREY BALL all game

Boogie may start, but team maybe better when Alex is in the game. Alex will play many minutes for the next two season, Boogie will play many minutes for the next 3 if he doesn't transfer his senior year.

(11-24-2020 03:41 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  For the hell of it, been watching some old games on YouTube. Long before the days of 4 stars/ 5 stars, etc there was just the McDAA game. Found a game last night that Memphis started 4 McD AAs - Deuce Ford, Ced, Ren, Vaughn. For the "kids table" or whatever Calipari called it and Tubby saying you cant recruit here, I found it rather Kentucky-ish on the part of Coach Finch.

three separate games -

Deuce, Ced - 1993 in the Mid South Coliseum
Vaughn in '91
Ren in '94

(11-24-2020 02:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 02:00 PM)PennyWise Wrote:  We really need Williams bad I think...I like Thomas, but I don't think he is very consistent with his rebounding effort and his body type just doesn't allow it. If his 3pt shot is cold, then he really becomes a liability.

Rand is an unknown and could outperform our expectations, but I feel like he may end up being like a Victor Enoh, Jimario Rivers, Calvin Godfrey, David Pellom type contributor.

I think 70% of our points will be there with Boogie, Nolley, Jeffries, Quinonez.

Cisse will get putbacks and dunks and rebounds all day.

The real success of this team rest on the improvement made by Baugh, Lomax, and Dandrige. If these 3 can reduce turnovers, shoot a good %, and play good defense - then we may have something special.

I think we beat St. Marys 67-54.

Go Tigers!

I can agree with most of this.

I'd really love to see Baugh have a stellar year.