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RE: Starting lineup for 11/25 vs. St Mary's ?
(11-24-2020 05:03 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  
(11-24-2020 03:41 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  For the hell of it, been watching some old games on YouTube. Long before the days of 4 stars/ 5 stars, etc there was just the McDAA game. Found a game last night that Memphis started 4 McD AAs - Deuce Ford, Ced, Ren, Vaughn. For the "kids table" or whatever Calipari called it and Tubby saying you cant recruit here, I found it rather Kentucky-ish on the part of Coach Finch.

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Deuce, Ced - 1993 in the Mid South Coliseum
Vaughn in '91
Ren in '94

Somehow Mingo Johnson was a better basketball player than Deuce Ford.
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(11-24-2020 06:03 PM)micman Wrote:  
(11-24-2020 05:03 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  
(11-24-2020 03:41 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  For the hell of it, been watching some old games on YouTube. Long before the days of 4 stars/ 5 stars, etc there was just the McDAA game. Found a game last night that Memphis started 4 McD AAs - Deuce Ford, Ced, Ren, Vaughn. For the "kids table" or whatever Calipari called it and Tubby saying you cant recruit here, I found it rather Kentucky-ish on the part of Coach Finch.

three separate games -

Deuce, Ced - 1993 in the Mid South Coliseum
Vaughn in '91
Ren in '94

Somehow Mingo Johnson was a better basketball player than Deuce Ford.

Duece's father padded his stats at Fairley.
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RE: Starting lineup for 11/25 vs. St Mary's ?
St Mary's is tall, but their height is untalented and slow. St Mary's is good because they make a lot of threes. 20 threes a game at 40% compared to the Tigers at 20 3PA and 32%, Shut down the 3 ball and they will shrivel up and die. Of course, that's easier said than done. The Tigers have practiced against each other for a long time, our bigs are good, we will have to ignore what we've practiced against and focus on stopping the three. We know our defense can be great, but if we aren't in their face at the 3 point line, we might be in for a long afternoon. We are way more athletic and faster, all we need to do is play our game and guard the 3.

Memphis 88, St Mary's 69
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(11-24-2020 06:49 PM)cmt Wrote:  St Mary's is tall, but their height is untalented and slow. St Mary's is good because they make a lot of threes. 20 threes a game at 40% compared to the Tigers at 20 3PA and 32%, Shut down the 3 ball and they will shrivel up and die. Of course, that's easier said than done. The Tigers have practiced against each other for a long time, our bigs are good, we will have to ignore what we've practiced against and focus on stopping the three. We know our defense can be great, but if we aren't in their face at the 3 point line, we might be in for a long afternoon. We are way more athletic and faster, all we need to do is play our game and guard the 3.

Memphis 88, St Mary's 69

They do shoot a lot of 3's or at least did last year BUT they Lost 150 3 pointers made and 38 points a game from losing Jordan Ford(G) and Malik Fitts(F).

EDIT: I didn't realize they ALSO lost Tanner Krebs(G) which was their next highest scorer at 9.1 and he was also a a very good (39%) 3 point shooter (54 out of 138).
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(11-24-2020 06:49 PM)cmt Wrote:  St Mary's is tall, but their height is untalented and slow. St Mary's is good because they make a lot of threes. 20 threes a game at 40% compared to the Tigers at 20 3PA and 32%, Shut down the 3 ball and they will shrivel up and die. Of course, that's easier said than done. The Tigers have practiced against each other for a long time, our bigs are good, we will have to ignore what we've practiced against and focus on stopping the three. We know our defense can be great, but if we aren't in their face at the 3 point line, we might be in for a long afternoon. We are way more athletic and faster, all we need to do is play our game and guard the 3.

Memphis 88, St Mary's 69

They lost 83% of their three-point production from last year, as well as their top three scorers. They’ve got a good class coming in, but this is expected to be a bit of an off year. I think we handle them easily.
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RE: Starting lineup for 11/25 vs. St Mary's ?
(11-24-2020 07:57 PM)TigerBall Wrote:  
(11-24-2020 06:49 PM)cmt Wrote:  St Mary's is tall, but their height is untalented and slow. St Mary's is good because they make a lot of threes. 20 threes a game at 40% compared to the Tigers at 20 3PA and 32%, Shut down the 3 ball and they will shrivel up and die. Of course, that's easier said than done. The Tigers have practiced against each other for a long time, our bigs are good, we will have to ignore what we've practiced against and focus on stopping the three. We know our defense can be great, but if we aren't in their face at the 3 point line, we might be in for a long afternoon. We are way more athletic and faster, all we need to do is play our game and guard the 3.

Memphis 88, St Mary's 69

They do shoot a lot of 3's or at least did last year BUT they Lost 150 3 pointers made and 38 points a game from losing Jordan Ford(G) and Malik Fitts(F).

Beat me to it.
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(11-24-2020 11:36 AM)TigerBall Wrote:  
(11-24-2020 01:05 AM)Alanda Wrote:  Boogie
Lester
Landers
Lance
Moussa

Hard for me to see DJ coming off the bench plus that lineup would be light on the frontcourt since Lance doesn't rebound well. You end up with 4 guys sitting on the perimeter.

Unless Dandridge starts, we're going to be looking at the latter anyway. We'll see, but I don't see DJ and Landers both starting. The team is going to need some scoring from the 6th man.
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RE: Starting lineup for 11/25 vs. St Mary's ?
(11-24-2020 11:33 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(11-24-2020 11:36 AM)TigerBall Wrote:  
(11-24-2020 01:05 AM)Alanda Wrote:  Boogie
Lester
Landers
Lance
Moussa

Hard for me to see DJ coming off the bench plus that lineup would be light on the frontcourt since Lance doesn't rebound well. You end up with 4 guys sitting on the perimeter.

Unless Dandridge starts, we're going to be looking at the latter anyway. We'll see, but I don't see DJ and Landers both starting. The team is going to need some scoring from the 6th man.

There is no universe in which both DJ and Landers arent starting unless one of them has just fallen off a cliff since last year. Those two and Cisse are absolute locks to start.

For scoring you stagger rotations so that you never go more than a couple mins without one of Lester/DJ/Nolley on the floor. Maybe even throw boogie in that mix if he has improved
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RE: Starting lineup for 11/25 vs. St Mary's ?
(11-25-2020 07:44 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  
(11-24-2020 11:33 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(11-24-2020 11:36 AM)TigerBall Wrote:  
(11-24-2020 01:05 AM)Alanda Wrote:  Boogie
Lester
Landers
Lance
Moussa

Hard for me to see DJ coming off the bench plus that lineup would be light on the frontcourt since Lance doesn't rebound well. You end up with 4 guys sitting on the perimeter.

Unless Dandridge starts, we're going to be looking at the latter anyway. We'll see, but I don't see DJ and Landers both starting. The team is going to need some scoring from the 6th man.

There is no universe in which both DJ and Landers arent starting unless one of them has just fallen off a cliff since last year. Those two and Cisse are absolute locks to start.

For scoring you stagger rotations so that you never go more than a couple mins without one of Lester/DJ/Nolley on the floor. Maybe even throw boogie in that mix if he has improved

But Penny focuses on defense. I don't see any scenario where Penny goes more than a couple minutes without one of Lester/Alo/Baugh (the best 3 perimeter defenders) on the floor .
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RE: Starting lineup for 11/25 vs. St Mary's ?
(11-25-2020 09:18 AM)micman Wrote:  
(11-25-2020 07:44 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  
(11-24-2020 11:33 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(11-24-2020 11:36 AM)TigerBall Wrote:  
(11-24-2020 01:05 AM)Alanda Wrote:  Boogie
Lester
Landers
Lance
Moussa

Hard for me to see DJ coming off the bench plus that lineup would be light on the frontcourt since Lance doesn't rebound well. You end up with 4 guys sitting on the perimeter.

Unless Dandridge starts, we're going to be looking at the latter anyway. We'll see, but I don't see DJ and Landers both starting. The team is going to need some scoring from the 6th man.

There is no universe in which both DJ and Landers arent starting unless one of them has just fallen off a cliff since last year. Those two and Cisse are absolute locks to start.

For scoring you stagger rotations so that you never go more than a couple mins without one of Lester/DJ/Nolley on the floor. Maybe even throw boogie in that mix if he has improved

But Penny focuses on defense. I don't see any scenario where Penny goes more than a couple minutes without one of Lester/Alo/Baugh (the best 3 perimeter defenders) on the floor .

You are right...Penny's main focus is the defensive end of the floor.
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(11-24-2020 08:07 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(11-24-2020 07:57 PM)TigerBall Wrote:  
(11-24-2020 06:49 PM)cmt Wrote:  St Mary's is tall, but their height is untalented and slow. St Mary's is good because they make a lot of threes. 20 threes a game at 40% compared to the Tigers at 20 3PA and 32%, Shut down the 3 ball and they will shrivel up and die. Of course, that's easier said than done. The Tigers have practiced against each other for a long time, our bigs are good, we will have to ignore what we've practiced against and focus on stopping the three. We know our defense can be great, but if we aren't in their face at the 3 point line, we might be in for a long afternoon. We are way more athletic and faster, all we need to do is play our game and guard the 3.

Memphis 88, St Mary's 69

They do shoot a lot of 3's or at least did last year BUT they Lost 150 3 pointers made and 38 points a game from losing Jordan Ford(G) and Malik Fitts(F).

Beat me to it.

They also get Quinn Clinton back from injury, he sat last season.
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Sounds like A-Lo getting the start.. either not a great sign on the expected sophomore jump for Boogie, or A-Lo has made a massive jump.

https://twitter.com/danielle_lerner/stat...18307?s=19

https://twitter.com/BoogieEllis/status/1...93061?s=19
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(11-25-2020 11:12 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  Sounds like A-Lo getting the start.. either not a great sign on the expected sophomore jump for Boogie, or A-Lo has made a massive jump.

https://twitter.com/danielle_lerner/stat...18307?s=19

https://twitter.com/BoogieEllis/status/1...93061?s=19

I don't hate that lineup...You have 3 shooters on the floor...

Q, Nolley and DJ...

But if Alo is able to knock down the 3 at a good clip he deserves the start.
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(11-25-2020 11:40 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(11-25-2020 11:12 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  Sounds like A-Lo getting the start.. either not a great sign on the expected sophomore jump for Boogie, or A-Lo has made a massive jump.

https://twitter.com/danielle_lerner/stat...18307?s=19

https://twitter.com/BoogieEllis/status/1...93061?s=19

I don't hate that lineup...You have 3 shooters on the floor...

Q, Nolley and DJ...

But if Alo is able to knock down the 3 at a good clip he deserves the start.

Yep dont hate the lineup at all. Just think the team has a higher ceiling if either of Boogie or Baugh tap their potential.

Sounds like A-Lo has earned it though and end of the day if he can cut down our turnovers by even 25 percent thats the equivalent of his knocking down a couple threes
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(11-25-2020 11:47 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  
(11-25-2020 11:40 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(11-25-2020 11:12 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  Sounds like A-Lo getting the start.. either not a great sign on the expected sophomore jump for Boogie, or A-Lo has made a massive jump.

https://twitter.com/danielle_lerner/stat...18307?s=19

https://twitter.com/BoogieEllis/status/1...93061?s=19

I don't hate that lineup...You have 3 shooters on the floor...

Q, Nolley and DJ...

But if Alo is able to knock down the 3 at a good clip he deserves the start.

Yep dont hate the lineup at all. Just think the team has a higher ceiling if either of Boogie or Baugh tap their potential.

Agreed...

If Baugh could shoot...It aint even close who should start.

But Alo does a good job getting others involved...If he can cut down on his turnovers he should be fine. But I still say he has to hit enough 3s to force teams to guard him
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(11-25-2020 07:44 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  
(11-24-2020 11:33 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(11-24-2020 11:36 AM)TigerBall Wrote:  
(11-24-2020 01:05 AM)Alanda Wrote:  Boogie
Lester
Landers
Lance
Moussa

Hard for me to see DJ coming off the bench plus that lineup would be light on the frontcourt since Lance doesn't rebound well. You end up with 4 guys sitting on the perimeter.

Unless Dandridge starts, we're going to be looking at the latter anyway. We'll see, but I don't see DJ and Landers both starting. The team is going to need some scoring from the 6th man.

There is no universe in which both DJ and Landers arent starting unless one of them has just fallen off a cliff since last year. Those two and Cisse are absolute locks to start.

For scoring you stagger rotations so that you never go more than a couple mins without one of Lester/DJ/Nolley on the floor. Maybe even throw boogie in that mix if he has improved

My guess was based on DJ's aggressiveness and possibly utilizing him more as a wing than a stretch 4. Though my memory also failed me as I thought he played more games as a 6th man last year than he actually did.
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Without a post presence and most of our guys shooting poorly from outside, Boogie was probably our best shot at the point in many games by the end of last year. With (hopefully) everyone shooting better, having a healthy DJ, Williams, an improved Dandridge and Cisse, maybe the dynamic of the position has changed. With nobody hitting from outside last year, we were better because Boogie is much better at creating his own shot than Lomax. This year, maybe we are better off with a distributor at the position.

In the end our ceiling is higher if Boogie progresses the same way that Joe Jackson did. He probably won't ever be a pure point guard, but JJ's junior season is without a doubt one of the greatest seasons for any Memphis point guard in our entire history. If Boogie can come close to getting shots for everyone, we will be lethal.
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(11-25-2020 12:25 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(11-25-2020 07:44 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  
(11-24-2020 11:33 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(11-24-2020 11:36 AM)TigerBall Wrote:  
(11-24-2020 01:05 AM)Alanda Wrote:  Boogie
Lester
Landers
Lance
Moussa

Hard for me to see DJ coming off the bench plus that lineup would be light on the frontcourt since Lance doesn't rebound well. You end up with 4 guys sitting on the perimeter.

Unless Dandridge starts, we're going to be looking at the latter anyway. We'll see, but I don't see DJ and Landers both starting. The team is going to need some scoring from the 6th man.

There is no universe in which both DJ and Landers arent starting unless one of them has just fallen off a cliff since last year. Those two and Cisse are absolute locks to start.

For scoring you stagger rotations so that you never go more than a couple mins without one of Lester/DJ/Nolley on the floor. Maybe even throw boogie in that mix if he has improved

My guess was based on DJ's aggressiveness and possibly utilizing him more as a wing than a stretch 4. Though my memory also failed me as I thought he played more games as a 6th man last year than he actually did.

DJ has an opportunity to be really really good. If he can stay healthy he likely can lead Memphis very far and have a successful NBA career.
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(11-25-2020 12:38 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Without a post presence and most of our guys shooting poorly from outside, Boogie was probably our best shot at the point in many games by the end of last year. With (hopefully) everyone shooting better, having a healthy DJ, Williams, an improved Dandridge and Cisse, maybe the dynamic of the position has changed. With nobody hitting from outside last year, we were better because Boogie is much better at creating his own shot than Lomax. This year, maybe we are better off with a distributor at the position.

In the end our ceiling is higher if Boogie progresses the same way that Joe Jackson did. He probably won't ever be a pure point guard, but JJ's junior season is without a doubt one of the greatest seasons for any Memphis point guard in our entire history. If Boogie can come close to getting shots for everyone, we will be lethal.

That's a good way to look at it. If the other three are shooting better and your lost post option needs some touches then having a pure distributor would be the better option. And I feel the same way about Boogie.

(11-25-2020 12:49 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(11-25-2020 12:25 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(11-25-2020 07:44 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  
(11-24-2020 11:33 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(11-24-2020 11:36 AM)TigerBall Wrote:  Hard for me to see DJ coming off the bench plus that lineup would be light on the frontcourt since Lance doesn't rebound well. You end up with 4 guys sitting on the perimeter.

Unless Dandridge starts, we're going to be looking at the latter anyway. We'll see, but I don't see DJ and Landers both starting. The team is going to need some scoring from the 6th man.

There is no universe in which both DJ and Landers arent starting unless one of them has just fallen off a cliff since last year. Those two and Cisse are absolute locks to start.

For scoring you stagger rotations so that you never go more than a couple mins without one of Lester/DJ/Nolley on the floor. Maybe even throw boogie in that mix if he has improved

My guess was based on DJ's aggressiveness and possibly utilizing him more as a wing than a stretch 4. Though my memory also failed me as I thought he played more games as a 6th man last year than he actually did.

DJ has an opportunity to be really really good. If he can stay healthy he likely can lead Memphis very far and have a successful NBA career.

I agree. We see his lack of aggressiveness the same based on what I've seen in your other posts. If he had Nolley's aggressiveness he would be the best player on the team IMO.
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RE: Starting lineup for 11/25 vs. St Mary's ?
Best line up at the half looks like Baugh, Boogie, Lester, DJ and Dandridge.
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