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RE: Starting 5 for 20-21 hoops
(11-22-2020 07:48 PM)jarr Wrote:  
(11-22-2020 05:10 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  I feel like most years we usually have 2 or 3 starters written in stone before the season starts, and this year KW is the only guy I would classify that way. That should be kind of terrifying, but instead I'm just really intrigued/excited to see how all the new faces meld together.

I would say Vogt is pretty much a lock as well at this point.

Based on his production last year I agree, but based on this roster we might play more up-tempo which could point to him being used as a change of pace/match up type of player. Again, I just can't tell what this team will be which is both terrifying and exciting.
 
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RE: Starting 5 for 20-21 hoops
(11-22-2020 10:29 AM)Dont tase me bro Wrote:  I'll go with:

1. DeJulius
2. Adams-Woods
3. Williams
4. Ivanauskas
5. Vogt

This year's team will be better and more consistent than last year's. Whether the starting five is as good as last year is certainly debatable, but the talent on the bench is much deeper. I think we'll see a lot of minutes for all of the non walk-ons with the possible exception of Lakhin.

I think your lineup will be the best one. Dou comes off the bench and continues to improve for his big senior season the next year after. Ivanauskus will be a great addition to our starting lineup.
 
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RE: Starting 5 for 20-21 hoops
(11-22-2020 11:11 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  
(11-22-2020 07:48 PM)jarr Wrote:  
(11-22-2020 05:10 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  I feel like most years we usually have 2 or 3 starters written in stone before the season starts, and this year KW is the only guy I would classify that way. That should be kind of terrifying, but instead I'm just really intrigued/excited to see how all the new faces meld together.

I would say Vogt is pretty much a lock as well at this point.

Based on his production last year I agree, but based on this roster we might play more up-tempo which could point to him being used as a change of pace/match up type of player. Again, I just can't tell what this team will be which is both terrifying and exciting.

In terms of day 1 starters I'd say we can be pretty sure that it will be DeJulius, MAW, Keith, and some combination of Vogt, Diarra and Ivanauskas.

But it's a lot harder to predict who will start by the end of the year. I'd say DeJulius and Keith will start all year, DeJulius because all our other natural PG's are freshmen and freshmen will likely struggle more than normal this year due to Covid delay. DeJulius apparently also struggles on defense at times, but unless he is a huge liability I can't see him losing the job to Saunders. Keith doesn't seem suited to take over at point guard like Jarron or Evans did it the past. Harvey potentially could, but he had a lot of TO issues last year. Essentially I see PG as DeJulius's job to lose due to lack of other quality options.

SG is pretty wide open. I expect MAW to start there because Harvey has been injured a lot this off-season and the rest of his competition are freshmen. But the lineup could go many ways by the end of the season, Harvey or one of the Madsen's could earn the starting role, perhaps Rob Banks could even sneak his way into some playing time (seems he got minutes in the scrimmage and he isn't your typical walk-on) or we could even shift Keith to SG and start Eason or Davenport at SF. SG is probably going to be the most interesting competition to watch as it is pretty wide open. There are 4/5 guys who could be starting there by the end of the season.

Finally the at the 4/5 I'd say it's very likely that some combination of Vogt/Diarra and Ivanaukus will start all season. It's possible that Eason or Davenport could take over at PF, but I'd say it's unlikely barring injuries. Vogt is a known commodity, he does what he does (interior scoring) extremely well, but isn't really built to play at the fast pace Brannen claims to want to play at and struggles on defense, he may become a guy we bring in off the bench to exploit mismatches. Ivanauskus I am not nearly as confident in as it seems most are on here. Most small school transfers - even stars - don't start at a higher level, especially not from day one. Ivanauskus also struggled on defense at a lower level, him and Vogt together are going to be a major liability on defense unless one (or both) of them made significant off-season improvements. Ivanauskus may be better off at the 5 at this level, which would mean him rotating with Vogt. With Diarra my biggest question is also around him playing at the 4, last year he never really figured out how to play as a 4 at either end, he was consistently significantly better at center to the point that Brannen largely stopped using him at the 4 (though Vogt's injury and Diarra getting more minutes at the 5 also contributed to that). If Diarra can only play the 5 this year, it limits Brannen and limits Diarra's minutes.

It will definitely be an interesting year to watch and we should see a lot of guys develop and improve throughout the season. But as I've said before, all the new faces and unknowns don't make me confident that this team will be that good. Would love to see us make the NCAA tournament, but I'm not expecting it. As long as we finish above .500 I'm not going to blame Brannen considering this was expected to be a rebuilding year and the way Covid has thrown a wrench in things.
 
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RE: Starting 5 for 20-21 hoops
one article said keith could play some spot four as well. rap in a practice video i saw looked solid as hell; surprised to hear he has defensive liabilities
 
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RE: Starting 5 for 20-21 hoops
(11-23-2020 09:40 AM)Lush Wrote:  one article said keith could play some spot four as well. rap in a practice video i saw looked solid as hell; surprised to hear he has defensive liabilities

Hard to get much from practice videos, mostly pretty short. Brannen said that Rap has been showing nice physicality with Vogt, but my concern isn't so much his interior defense at center, but his perimeter defense if he plays the 4. I've gone back and watched quite a few games from Rap playing at Colgate. One of his big issues is simply giving up on the play when he gets beat, that is correctable but also a common trend for him over the past few years. Brannen will probably fix it, or Rap will be sitting on the bench.

The other issue is more about his size/mobility and depends on what position he plays. If he plays center, he should be fine, he's mobile enough to guard most big men and strong/tall enough to hold his own on the interior. But playing the 4 is another issue entirely, he doesn't have great mobility and aside from freakish athletes (Diarra) it is hard to be 6'10" and guard a smaller guy on the perimeter, even much better athletes (like Scott, Diarra or Gary Clark) struggle with it at times. A lot of teams run a 6'6"-6'8" more mobile guy at the 4 and Rap is going to struggle to guard those guys. It seems like on film he gets beat off the dribble a fair amount while at the 4.

This issue with likely be exacerbated if Rap is playing with Vogt at the 5. Not only will Rap have issues guarding on the perimeter, Vogt isn't a great help defender, so if/when Rap gets beat there won't be good help for him. I expect teams to focus heavily on getting Rap in a mismatch on the perimeter and then bring Vogt's man out to run the pick-and-roll. Last year Vogt was weak in pick-and-roll defense and with Rap also not being great defending the drive it seems like an area other teams will try to exploit.

Maybe all my speculation will turn out wrong, but I am expecting it to be difficult to play Rap and Vogt at the same time. If they pair up well enough on offense we may be able to do it anyway and accept that we will give up some defense but score more on offense. But if they aren't generating a lot of offense, they probably will be unplayable together.

The other interesting part of the Rap/Vogt pairing is neither is that mobile. Show me a team playing two guys with the size/mobility of Rap and Vogt and I expect a grind and pound type team. Not a fast past running team. Rap is mobile enough that he'd be workable as the 5 in a fast paced offense, but Vogt isn't really built to run and it's already a stretch to have him at the 5 in a fast-paced offense, put them together and it's hard to expect a fast-pace.

With our bigs especially we are going to have the ability to almost completely alter the look of the team depending on who is in. Rap/Vogt will be a slower paced pound the interior type offense and a beefy interior but poor on the perimeter defense, while with Diarra/Eason we'd be set to be a fast paced spread the floor and slash type offense and a lock down perimeter defense but vulnerable to opposing bigs with a lot of size. The different combinations will make it interesting to watch and see what works and Brannen will likely change it up if something isn't working. We may also go small at times with Rap/Diarra at the 5, Williams at the 4 and 3 guards. Or the opposite with Rap/Diarra/Vogt at the 4/5, Eason/Davenport at the 3 and Williams at the 2.

The versatility sounds good in theory, but with the number of new faces and short off-season due to Covid, will guys have picked up enough to be able to play the multiple positions that would require?
 
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RE: Starting 5 for 20-21 hoops
In our annual right of duplicitous scheduling, looks like basketball and football are going to both be playing 12/12(UT) and 12/19(Georgia). Here's to hoping we don't cross lines. At least it's not the shootout which is on our bye week.
 
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RE: Starting 5 for 20-21 hoops
Some interesting interviews with Rap, DD, and coach:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQoXkxVO...e=youtu.be
 
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