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(11-21-2020 08:19 PM)B easy Wrote:  
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(11-21-2020 08:00 PM)bearcatfan Wrote:  So basically admit that winning the the AAC is not worthy of the P5/playoff?

No.

Yeah I didn't even consider this angle. You 3 have convinced me, bad idea

Its not about admitting anything other than that the committee has inherent bias and UC may be forced to prove themselves further in order to get a shot. Even if BYU drops a few spots in CFP poll it would still be a #5-6 vs #9-10 matchup depending on how the P5 shakes out. If UC rolls BYU, it might be enough to slip into that #4 spot or at least shine a bright light on the fundamental unfairness of a corrupt system.

That makes zero sense.

If Cincy is in the top 4 there is no reason to play.
If BYU is top for no reason to play.

If Cincy is outside the top 4 then there is no reason to play BYU since Cincy needs 1-4 to lose to get in and BYU won't need to play Cincy if they are already top 4. Beating a team ranked lower than you won't get you to jump a team ranked higher than you who has not lost, not this far into the season.
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RE: Should UC & BYU schedule a December game to boost winner's resume if both unde...
(11-21-2020 08:28 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(11-21-2020 08:19 PM)B easy Wrote:  
(11-21-2020 08:04 PM)Nameless Wrote:  
(11-21-2020 08:00 PM)bearcatfan Wrote:  So basically admit that winning the the AAC is not worthy of the P5/playoff?

No.

Yeah I didn't even consider this angle. You 3 have convinced me, bad idea

Its not about admitting anything other than that the committee has inherent bias and UC may be forced to prove themselves further in order to get a shot. Even if BYU drops a few spots in CFP poll it would still be a #5-6 vs #9-10 matchup depending on how the P5 shakes out. If UC rolls BYU, it might be enough to slip into that #4 spot or at least shine a bright light on the fundamental unfairness of a corrupt system.

That makes zero sense.

If Cincy is in the top 4 there is no reason to play.
If BYU is top for no reason to play.

If Cincy is outside the top 4 then there is no reason to play BYU since Cincy needs 1-4 to lose to get in and BYU won't need to play Cincy if they are already top 4. Beating a team ranked lower than you won't get you to jump a team ranked higher than you who has not lost, not this far into the season.

2014 Ohio St. jumped #3 TCU by smashing a lower ranked Wisconsin team in the Big 10 title game.

Cincy has nothing to lose by playing the game.
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RE: Should UC & BYU schedule a December game to boost winner's resume if both unde...
(11-21-2020 08:31 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
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(11-21-2020 08:19 PM)B easy Wrote:  
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(11-21-2020 08:00 PM)bearcatfan Wrote:  So basically admit that winning the the AAC is not worthy of the P5/playoff?

No.

Yeah I didn't even consider this angle. You 3 have convinced me, bad idea

Its not about admitting anything other than that the committee has inherent bias and UC may be forced to prove themselves further in order to get a shot. Even if BYU drops a few spots in CFP poll it would still be a #5-6 vs #9-10 matchup depending on how the P5 shakes out. If UC rolls BYU, it might be enough to slip into that #4 spot or at least shine a bright light on the fundamental unfairness of a corrupt system.

That makes zero sense.

If Cincy is in the top 4 there is no reason to play.
If BYU is top for no reason to play.

If Cincy is outside the top 4 then there is no reason to play BYU since Cincy needs 1-4 to lose to get in and BYU won't need to play Cincy if they are already top 4. Beating a team ranked lower than you won't get you to jump a team ranked higher than you who has not lost, not this far into the season.

2014 Ohio St. jumped #3 TCU by smashing a lower ranked Wisconsin team in the Big 10 title game.

Cincy has nothing to lose by playing the game.

They jumped them because they had more data points, which is why the big XII got their championship game back. All of those teams were also equal in losses.

That won't be the case for Cincy with anyone they are chasing, they will have as many or more games played and will have zero losses while trying to catch teams with one loss.
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RE: Should UC & BYU schedule a December game to boost winner's resume if both unde...
(11-21-2020 08:36 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(11-21-2020 08:31 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
(11-21-2020 08:28 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(11-21-2020 08:19 PM)B easy Wrote:  
(11-21-2020 08:04 PM)Nameless Wrote:  Yeah I didn't even consider this angle. You 3 have convinced me, bad idea

Its not about admitting anything other than that the committee has inherent bias and UC may be forced to prove themselves further in order to get a shot. Even if BYU drops a few spots in CFP poll it would still be a #5-6 vs #9-10 matchup depending on how the P5 shakes out. If UC rolls BYU, it might be enough to slip into that #4 spot or at least shine a bright light on the fundamental unfairness of a corrupt system.

That makes zero sense.

If Cincy is in the top 4 there is no reason to play.
If BYU is top for no reason to play.

If Cincy is outside the top 4 then there is no reason to play BYU since Cincy needs 1-4 to lose to get in and BYU won't need to play Cincy if they are already top 4. Beating a team ranked lower than you won't get you to jump a team ranked higher than you who has not lost, not this far into the season.

2014 Ohio St. jumped #3 TCU by smashing a lower ranked Wisconsin team in the Big 10 title game.

Cincy has nothing to lose by playing the game.

They jumped them because they had more data points, which is why the big XII got their championship game back. All of those teams were also equal in losses.

That won't be the case for Cincy with anyone they are chasing, they will have as many or more games played and will have zero losses while trying to catch teams with one loss.
And what exactly would an extra game be against an undefeated ranked team? Anyway I wouldn't lock into it yet but if I'm Cincy I'd definitely consider it. See where both teams are in the first CFP rankings. If neither teams in the top 10 then its probably a non-starter. However, if they don't drop much from their respective AP rankings then it would definitely be worth it.
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RE: Should UC & BYU schedule a December game to boost winner's resume if both undefeated?
SMU is very unlikely to schedule BYU as we are still trying to re-schedule TCU which is still very possible at this point.
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RE: Should UC & BYU schedule a December game to boost winner's resume if both undefeated?
There is nothing to gain. Take the extra week to prepare for the pre-championship game.

UC is not getting into the playoffs without beating one of the cartel 4 (Ohio State, Alabama, Notre Dame, Clemson). If one if those want to schedule a game, sure I’m in.
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(11-21-2020 07:56 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  If you don't play and win your conference you get the NY6. If you lose and still win the conference, you probably get knocked out of the NY6. If you beat BYU, what do you get....the NY6?

I think you nailed it. See UCF.
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No , BYU will play UC in the NY6
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(11-21-2020 08:44 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
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(11-21-2020 08:31 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
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(11-21-2020 08:19 PM)B easy Wrote:  Its not about admitting anything other than that the committee has inherent bias and UC may be forced to prove themselves further in order to get a shot. Even if BYU drops a few spots in CFP poll it would still be a #5-6 vs #9-10 matchup depending on how the P5 shakes out. If UC rolls BYU, it might be enough to slip into that #4 spot or at least shine a bright light on the fundamental unfairness of a corrupt system.

That makes zero sense.

If Cincy is in the top 4 there is no reason to play.
If BYU is top for no reason to play.

If Cincy is outside the top 4 then there is no reason to play BYU since Cincy needs 1-4 to lose to get in and BYU won't need to play Cincy if they are already top 4. Beating a team ranked lower than you won't get you to jump a team ranked higher than you who has not lost, not this far into the season.

2014 Ohio St. jumped #3 TCU by smashing a lower ranked Wisconsin team in the Big 10 title game.

Cincy has nothing to lose by playing the game.

They jumped them because they had more data points, which is why the big XII got their championship game back. All of those teams were also equal in losses.

That won't be the case for Cincy with anyone they are chasing, they will have as many or more games played and will have zero losses while trying to catch teams with one loss.
And what exactly would an extra game be against an undefeated ranked team? Anyway I wouldn't lock into it yet but if I'm Cincy I'd definitely consider it. See where both teams are in the first CFP rankings. If neither teams in the top 10 then its probably a non-starter. However, if they don't drop much from their respective AP rankings then it would definitely be worth it.

See my whole second paragraph, the one right under the first one you bolded? I guess you only read the entire posts you don't care about like in the football news thread?

Cincinnati will have as many or more games than the people they are chasing and fewer losses. Something that wasn't true in the Baylor/TCU vs OSU comparison entering that championship game all three teams were 11-1. OSU then got to 12-1. Cincy will have 11 games with the championship, quite a few more than OSU or PAC champ who they are likely to be chasing. Equal to the Florida/Georgia the SEC champ loser if Alabama rolls as usual and whoever wins the big 12. Both of whom will be on the outside looking in with at least two losses in that scenario.

There is no advantage for Cincinnati as the higher ranked team.
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(11-21-2020 10:44 PM)Acres Wrote:  No , BYU will play UC in the NY6

Exactly. Byu will play UC in the NY6. No way either team plays in the CFP. Not saying either team doesn't deserves it, but that doesn't matter.

Anyway, It'll be a great game. Should be an enormous audience. I won't miss it.
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Don't play BYU, don't even give them a chance... this league has built itself up, and BYU doesn't get come in late and possibly spring board off the AAC's success.

Best case: Tulsa doesn't lose until Cincy x2.
Memphis and SMU finish strong
If BYU loses or not it doesn't matter. The more mucked up it is for the
committee, the better chance for an 8 team playoff very soon.

If they are gonna leave Cincy regardless. Then I hope for total chaos. Put it on them don't help BYU.
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Should UC & BYU schedule a December game to boost winner's resume if both undefeated?
(11-21-2020 11:29 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(11-21-2020 08:44 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
(11-21-2020 08:36 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
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(11-21-2020 08:28 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  That makes zero sense.

If Cincy is in the top 4 there is no reason to play.
If BYU is top for no reason to play.

If Cincy is outside the top 4 then there is no reason to play BYU since Cincy needs 1-4 to lose to get in and BYU won't need to play Cincy if they are already top 4. Beating a team ranked lower than you won't get you to jump a team ranked higher than you who has not lost, not this far into the season.

2014 Ohio St. jumped #3 TCU by smashing a lower ranked Wisconsin team in the Big 10 title game.

Cincy has nothing to lose by playing the game.

They jumped them because they had more data points, which is why the big XII got their championship game back. All of those teams were also equal in losses.

That won't be the case for Cincy with anyone they are chasing, they will have as many or more games played and will have zero losses while trying to catch teams with one loss.
And what exactly would an extra game be against an undefeated ranked team? [/b]Anyway I wouldn't lock into it yet but if I'm Cincy I'd definitely consider it. See where both teams are in the first CFP rankings. If neither teams in the top 10 then its probably a non-starter. However, if they don't drop much from their respective AP rankings then it would definitely be worth it.

See my whole second paragraph, the one right under the first one you bolded? I guess you only read the entire posts you don't care about like in the football news thread?

Cincinnati will have as many or more games than the people they are chasing and fewer losses. Something that wasn't true in the Baylor/TCU vs OSU comparison entering that championship game all three teams were 11-1. OSU then got to 12-1. Cincy will have 11 games with the championship, quite a few more than OSU or PAC champ who they are likely to be chasing. Equal to the Florida/Georgia the SEC champ loser if Alabama rolls as usual and whoever wins the big 12. Both of whom will be on the outside looking in with at least two losses in that scenario.

There is no advantage for Cincinnati as the higher ranked team.


Before the championship games, it seems like it makes sense. At that point, you don’t know if Ohio State, for instance, loses their championship game.

I get the number of games thing, but it would be another “quality” game. You don’t think Ohio State gets a bump from beating a lower ranked Indiana?


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(11-22-2020 06:46 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  
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(11-21-2020 08:31 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  2014 Ohio St. jumped #3 TCU by smashing a lower ranked Wisconsin team in the Big 10 title game.

Cincy has nothing to lose by playing the game.

They jumped them because they had more data points, which is why the big XII got their championship game back. All of those teams were also equal in losses.

That won't be the case for Cincy with anyone they are chasing, they will have as many or more games played and will have zero losses while trying to catch teams with one loss.
And what exactly would an extra game be against an undefeated ranked team? [/b]Anyway I wouldn't lock into it yet but if I'm Cincy I'd definitely consider it. See where both teams are in the first CFP rankings. If neither teams in the top 10 then its probably a non-starter. However, if they don't drop much from their respective AP rankings then it would definitely be worth it.

See my whole second paragraph, the one right under the first one you bolded? I guess you only read the entire posts you don't care about like in the football news thread?

Cincinnati will have as many or more games than the people they are chasing and fewer losses. Something that wasn't true in the Baylor/TCU vs OSU comparison entering that championship game all three teams were 11-1. OSU then got to 12-1. Cincy will have 11 games with the championship, quite a few more than OSU or PAC champ who they are likely to be chasing. Equal to the Florida/Georgia the SEC champ loser if Alabama rolls as usual and whoever wins the big 12. Both of whom will be on the outside looking in with at least two losses in that scenario.

There is no advantage for Cincinnati as the higher ranked team.


Before the championship games, it seems like it makes sense. At that point, you don’t know if Ohio State, for instance, loses their championship game.

I get the number of games thing, but it would be another “quality” game. You don’t think Ohio State gets a bump from beating a lower ranked Indiana?


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The extra data points will already be there by four or five games vs a PAC or Big 10 team. An 6-0 PAC champ or Big 10 champ will be five games behind Cincy already, not sure how adding one more will matter if the other five don't. Cincy beat a ranked Army team, who is still floating around that after climbing back in the ranks before Tulane beat them.. If Memphis and SMU do what they are suppose to they will be ranked. If Tulsa is ranked going into that game that that's another plus whoever they get in the championship will likely be ranked. Plus a very good UCF team, who will likely have only lost to ranked teams. Those four five games easily match the OSU schedule with a losing Michigan and losing Penn St team.

No they won't they'll be #3, just like they were before the game. Now if you have #12 beating #16 that might get you into the top 10. Usually though you need someone to lose in front of you in the top ten and for sure top five.
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Call me nuts but I think such a victory at the end of the season could catapult Cincy past a 1-loss Texas A&M if they don't play in the SEC championship game or a 1-loss ND if they lose by a few scores in the ACC championship game to a healthy Clemson.

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(11-22-2020 03:32 PM)B easy Wrote:  Call me nuts but I think such a victory at the end of the season could catapult Cincy past a 1-loss Texas A&M if they don't play in the SEC championship game or a 1-loss ND if they lose by a few scores in the ACC championship game to a healthy Clemson.

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If BYU was serious, they should have taken the game.
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SOURCES: #BYU turned down the opportunity to play #Washington this coming weekend. UDub had reached out yesterday but was told BYU wanted to wait until after the CFP rankings Tuesday to gauge their place. "It's off the table."

If BYU was serious, they should have taken the game.


Sounds like they are serious. What if Washington isn’t ranked when the CFP rankings come out?


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No. This would be the P5's wet dream - it opens up the door to a both teams having a loss that is contingent on one team being upset somewhere along the way.

Again, I'd love to see SMU (or another upper tier AAC school) play BYU - that would be the best option for Cincy and the AAC.
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No. CFP is not gonna give any justice no matter UC & BYU play each or not.
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If FLA and TX A&M both lose, I predict a 2 loss OKLA team makes the playoff after winning their CCG game. That would prove the committee's bias
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