Quote:“For 15 years of my life at the top of the Soviet bloc intelligence community, I was involved in a world-wide disinformation effort aimed at diverting attention away from the KGB’s involvement with Lee Harvey Oswald. The Kennedy assassination conspiracy was born—and it never died.” (Ion Pacepa, the highest ranking intelligence official ever to defect from the Soviet bloc.)

“Of all the people I interviewed in New Orleans regarding the Kennedy assassination, Carlos Bringuier was the one I trusted most. I could see in his eyes he was always telling me the complete truth.” (Oriana Fallaci, L, Europeo, 1969.)

“The skinny guy walked into my store and started looking around,” recalls Carlos Bringuier about the afternoon of August 5, 1963 at the New Orleans store he managed at the time. “But I could sense he wasn’t a shopper. Sure enough, after a few minutes of browsing he came up and extended his hand. “Good afternoon,” he said. “I’m Lee Harvey Oswald.”

In 1963 the CIA regarded the Directorio Revolucionario Estudiantil (DRE) “the most militant and deeply motivated of all the Cuban exile organizations seeking to oust Castro." Carlos Bringuier was their representative in New Orleans. It was DRE agents who infiltrated Cuba and brought out the first reports of Soviet missile installations--to the scoffs of the White House's Best and Brightest. It took two months for anyone to finally take them seriously. A U-2 flight then confirmed every last detail of what the DRE boys had been risking their lives for months to report.

“Oswald approached me because my name was so often linked to anti-Castro activities in the local (New Orleans) news,” recalls Bringuier. “He even jammed his hand in his pocket and pulled out a roll of bills, offering to contribute to the anti-Castro cause. I was suspicious and declined, but he kept blasting Castro and Communism in very colorful terms the whole time he was in the store. He returned the next day, snarled out a few more anti-Castroisms and dropped off his training manual for the anti-Castro fight, Guidebook for Marines.”

Two days later Bringuier was astounded to spot Oswald a few blocks away from his store distributing Fair Pay for Cuba pamphlets. Carlos approached, accepted a pamphlet, ripped it to pieces and a scuffle ensued. The cops arrived, the scuffle made the news, and a few days later Bringuier and Oswald debated on New Orleans radio and TV.

Dozens of books, movies, articles and TV specials depict these events. What they DON’T depict is how, between their scuffle and debate, Bringuier and a friend Carlos Quiroga turned the tables on Oswald. Posing as a Castro-sympathizer eager to join Oswald’s Fair Play for Cuba Committee, Quiroga (who had not been in the store or involved in the scuffle) visited Oswald at his home and they commiserated for hours. “You read everyplace that Oswald was dumb, a flake, a patsy, a set-up,” says Bringuier. “Nonsense. He was a smooth operator and spoke fluent Russian.”

Quiroga noticed that Oswald’s living room was filled with Fair Pay For Cuba Committee literature. From one stack Oswald pulled an application to join the Committee and offered it to Quiroga. Yet during the Warren Commission circus The Fair Play for Cuba Committee repeatedly denied that Oswald had any links with them.

Among the things that caught Quiroga's eye during his visit was Oswald speaking Russian with his wife and daughter. "Its good practice," explained Oswald. "I'm studying foreign languages at Tulane University." He was lying. Also keep in mind the date: this was 3 months before the assassination. Oswald’s stint in Russia was virtually unknown at the time.

On the very night of Nov. 22, 1963, Carlos Bringuier went public on American radio and TV: “We don’t know yet if Lee Harvey Oswald is President Kennedy’s assassin. But if he is, then Fidel Castro’s hand is involved in this assassination."

Fidel Castro immediately called a press conference to denounce Carlos Bringuier by name and kick off the media disinformation campaign that finally peaked as high comedy with Oliver Stone’s JFK.

So while Pacepa acknowledged his involvement, Carlos Bringuier was on to the disinformation campaign from its very birthday.

“Oliver Stone interviewed me for hours while researching for his movie JFK,” recalls Bringuier. “This was almost 30 years ago. Stone’s loony–left credentials weren’t yet blatant. I figured he was after the truth. So I went along, telling him everything. Well, his movie comes out --and turns out I’M involved in the conspiracy to kill JFK!” Bringuier laughs. “For 50 years the media has either ignored or turned everything I’ve told them upside down,” says Bringuier. “Finally I got sick of it so when a couple years back "60 Minutes" asked me for an interview, I told them: 'Sure. I’ll do an interview—but this time it has to be LIVE, no editing.' That ended whatever relationship I had with CBS producers.”

"U.S leaders who plan on eliminating Cuban leaders should not think that they are themselves safe!" warned Castro on Sept 7, 1963. "We are prepared to answer in kind!"

For 34 years Markus Wolf was the chief of East Germany's foreign intelligence service, a branch of the STASI with many contacts and operations in Castro's Cuba. It was the STASI rather than the KGB that undertook the training of Castro's police and intelligence services. Wolf's autobiography is titled, "Man Without a Face" and subtitled, "The Autobiography of Communism's Greatest Spymaster." Most intelligence experts agree that the subtitle fits. Wolf was once asked about the Kennedy assassination and quickly replied. "Don't ask me – ask Fidel Castro.”

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(11-21-2020 06:18 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:“For 15 years of my life at the top of the Soviet bloc intelligence community, I was involved in a world-wide disinformation effort aimed at diverting attention away from the KGB’s involvement with Lee Harvey Oswald. The Kennedy assassination conspiracy was born—and it never died.” (Ion Pacepa, the highest ranking intelligence official ever to defect from the Soviet bloc.)

“Of all the people I interviewed in New Orleans regarding the Kennedy assassination, Carlos Bringuier was the one I trusted most. I could see in his eyes he was always telling me the complete truth.” (Oriana Fallaci, L, Europeo, 1969.)

“The skinny guy walked into my store and started looking around,” recalls Carlos Bringuier about the afternoon of August 5, 1963 at the New Orleans store he managed at the time. “But I could sense he wasn’t a shopper. Sure enough, after a few minutes of browsing he came up and extended his hand. “Good afternoon,” he said. “I’m Lee Harvey Oswald.”

In 1963 the CIA regarded the Directorio Revolucionario Estudiantil (DRE) “the most militant and deeply motivated of all the Cuban exile organizations seeking to oust Castro." Carlos Bringuier was their representative in New Orleans. It was DRE agents who infiltrated Cuba and brought out the first reports of Soviet missile installations--to the scoffs of the White House's Best and Brightest. It took two months for anyone to finally take them seriously. A U-2 flight then confirmed every last detail of what the DRE boys had been risking their lives for months to report.

“Oswald approached me because my name was so often linked to anti-Castro activities in the local (New Orleans) news,” recalls Bringuier. “He even jammed his hand in his pocket and pulled out a roll of bills, offering to contribute to the anti-Castro cause. I was suspicious and declined, but he kept blasting Castro and Communism in very colorful terms the whole time he was in the store. He returned the next day, snarled out a few more anti-Castroisms and dropped off his training manual for the anti-Castro fight, Guidebook for Marines.”

Two days later Bringuier was astounded to spot Oswald a few blocks away from his store distributing Fair Pay for Cuba pamphlets. Carlos approached, accepted a pamphlet, ripped it to pieces and a scuffle ensued. The cops arrived, the scuffle made the news, and a few days later Bringuier and Oswald debated on New Orleans radio and TV.

Dozens of books, movies, articles and TV specials depict these events. What they DON’T depict is how, between their scuffle and debate, Bringuier and a friend Carlos Quiroga turned the tables on Oswald. Posing as a Castro-sympathizer eager to join Oswald’s Fair Play for Cuba Committee, Quiroga (who had not been in the store or involved in the scuffle) visited Oswald at his home and they commiserated for hours. “You read everyplace that Oswald was dumb, a flake, a patsy, a set-up,” says Bringuier. “Nonsense. He was a smooth operator and spoke fluent Russian.”

Quiroga noticed that Oswald’s living room was filled with Fair Pay For Cuba Committee literature. From one stack Oswald pulled an application to join the Committee and offered it to Quiroga. Yet during the Warren Commission circus The Fair Play for Cuba Committee repeatedly denied that Oswald had any links with them.

Among the things that caught Quiroga's eye during his visit was Oswald speaking Russian with his wife and daughter. "Its good practice," explained Oswald. "I'm studying foreign languages at Tulane University." He was lying. Also keep in mind the date: this was 3 months before the assassination. Oswald’s stint in Russia was virtually unknown at the time.

On the very night of Nov. 22, 1963, Carlos Bringuier went public on American radio and TV: “We don’t know yet if Lee Harvey Oswald is President Kennedy’s assassin. But if he is, then Fidel Castro’s hand is involved in this assassination."

Fidel Castro immediately called a press conference to denounce Carlos Bringuier by name and kick off the media disinformation campaign that finally peaked as high comedy with Oliver Stone’s JFK.

So while Pacepa acknowledged his involvement, Carlos Bringuier was on to the disinformation campaign from its very birthday.

“Oliver Stone interviewed me for hours while researching for his movie JFK,” recalls Bringuier. “This was almost 30 years ago. Stone’s loony–left credentials weren’t yet blatant. I figured he was after the truth. So I went along, telling him everything. Well, his movie comes out --and turns out I’M involved in the conspiracy to kill JFK!” Bringuier laughs. “For 50 years the media has either ignored or turned everything I’ve told them upside down,” says Bringuier. “Finally I got sick of it so when a couple years back "60 Minutes" asked me for an interview, I told them: 'Sure. I’ll do an interview—but this time it has to be LIVE, no editing.' That ended whatever relationship I had with CBS producers.”

"U.S leaders who plan on eliminating Cuban leaders should not think that they are themselves safe!" warned Castro on Sept 7, 1963. "We are prepared to answer in kind!"

For 34 years Markus Wolf was the chief of East Germany's foreign intelligence service, a branch of the STASI with many contacts and operations in Castro's Cuba. It was the STASI rather than the KGB that undertook the training of Castro's police and intelligence services. Wolf's autobiography is titled, "Man Without a Face" and subtitled, "The Autobiography of Communism's Greatest Spymaster." Most intelligence experts agree that the subtitle fits. Wolf was once asked about the Kennedy assassination and quickly replied. "Don't ask me – ask Fidel Castro.”

Link

Oswald would be proud of present day America. He is a martyr for the cause. JFK would be a far right zealot today.

Yep. Blowback for trying to kill Castro.

(11-21-2020 06:57 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  JFK would be a far left zealot today.

JFK would be a far right democrat or a moderate republican today. Tax cuts, adventurous foreign policy.

Actually, if JFK were alive and in a position of leadership today, the democrats wouldn't be where the democrats are today.

The JFK assassination was 57 years ago today. Happened at 12:30pm CST as he rode through downtown Dallas in an open convertible. With the passage of time, we’ve finally gotten to a point that most Americans living today no longer feel any kind of emotional connection with the events of that time.

The depth and intensity of Oswald’s pro-Soviet activities, beginning at age 17-18 and continuing for the remainder (6-7 yrs.) of his life, is undeniable. He was pro-Soviet, and he wanted to kill the leader of the anti-Soviet great power. But for over half-a-century we’ve been told he was the patsy/dupe of the Mafia/CIA/Cuban exiles/right-wing homosexuals/etc., etc., etc. Just incredible, really.

In some ways, the Oswald-as-Right-Winger trope is the original Fake News headline of the modern media age. It still hasn’t totally gone away. But deep down, people knew they weren’t getting the whole story. That knowledge triggered, within many people, a loss-of-faith in the truthfulness of Government/Media. And that loss of faith hasn’t gone away, either. It’s actually increased with time, and shows no signs of healing, after all these years.

(11-22-2020 08:42 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  The JFK assassination was 57 years ago today. Happened at 12:30pm CST as he rode through downtown Dallas in an open convertible. With the passage of time, we’ve finally gotten to a point that most Americans living today no longer feel any kind of emotional connection with the events of that time.

The depth and intensity of Oswald’s pro-Soviet activities, beginning at age 17-18 and continuing for the remainder (6-7 yrs.) of his life, is undeniable. He was pro-Soviet, and he wanted to kill the leader of the anti-Soviet great power. But for over half-a-century we’ve been told he was the patsy/dupe of the Mafia/CIA/Cuban exiles/right-wing homosexuals/etc., etc., etc. Just incredible, really.

In some ways, the Oswald-as-Right-Winger trope is the original Fake News headline of the modern media age. It still hasn’t totally gone away. But deep down, people knew they weren’t getting the whole story. That knowledge triggered, within many people, a loss-of-faith in the truthfulness of Government/Media. And that loss of faith hasn’t gone away, either. It’s actually increased with time, and shows no signs of healing, after all these years.

Great post. Agree 100%

There is some thought that Oswald was a communist zealot manipulated by the CIA. He said he was a patsy and was quickly shot. Did the CIA manipulate Oswald into shooting Kennedy. There is some indication that Kennedy was going to push back against the American industrial war machine. The CIA was pissed about the Bay of Pigs as was the La Cosa Nostra. Kennedy was also reckless with women and the CIA was convinced he would eventually be bribed or corrected by the soviets.

The one thing I have become convinced of over time is that Oswald was the lone shooter. The ballistics have been proven to me and having looked out the book depository window into dealey plaza the shots seem infinitely doable.

The Kennedy assignation was a huge turning point for this nation.

(11-22-2020 09:28 AM)No Bull Wrote:  There is some thought that Oswald was a communist zealot manipulated by the CIA. He said he was a patsy and was quickly shot.

The inability of the Dallas P.D. to keep Oswald alive is one of the worst and most inexcusable failures in the history of American law enforcement. So much of the suspicion and distrust around this episode is rooted not in the death of Kennedy but in the death of Oswald.

Quote:The one thing I have become convinced of over time is that Oswald was the lone shooter. The ballistics have been proven to me and having looked out the book depository window into dealey plaza the shots seem infinitely doable.

I think Oswald was absolutely the only intentional shooter. The so-called “Mortal Error” theory — credible but unproven, imho — is one that I have never quite been able to dismiss. And I’ve tried to.

Quote:The Kennedy assignation was a huge turning point for this nation.

Heh heh. Spellcheck autocorrect or Freudian slip?

(11-21-2020 07:35 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-21-2020 06:57 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  JFK would be a far left zealot today.

JFK would be a far right democrat or a moderate republican today. Tax cuts, adventurous foreign policy.

Actually, if JFK were alive and in a position of leadership today, the democrats wouldn't be where the democrats are today.

Naw,,,,JFK wasn't a raging racist.

About 15 minutes after Kennedy was shot Dallas police put out APB over the radio for the description of the shooter, which matched Oswald. How would anyone or the police have a description of the shooter? Nobody witnessed Oswald as the shooter. That description is why Officer Tippit stopped Oswald a couple of miles or so from Dealey Plaza, while he was walking down the street.

JFK called off the 2nd bombing run against Castro and left the CIA and their Cuban Army with their dicks in their hand. The first bombing Bay of Pigs missed badly as they were using painted over WWll bombers. RFK went after the Mafia who got JFK elected via Illinois. Considering the Mafia's business holdings in Cuba and the fact that JFK fired CIA Director Allan Dulles you can place me in the Oswald did not act alone camp.
Rather ironic that Dulles was appointed to the Warren Commission.

(11-22-2020 12:16 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  About 15 minutes after Kennedy was shot Dallas police put out APB over the radio for the description of the shooter, which matched Oswald. How would anyone or the police have a description of the shooter?

Link? I’ve heard the description was more generic.

(11-21-2020 07:35 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-21-2020 06:57 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  JFK would be a far left zealot today.

JFK would be a far right democrat or a moderate republican today. Tax cuts, adventurous foreign policy.

Actually, if JFK were alive and in a position of leadership today, the democrats wouldn't be where the democrats are today.

You're right. I typed the wrong word. Meant to type right not left.

Are we sure Bernie Sanders isn't Oswald?