(11-19-2020 01:25 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 01:02 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I would care if they could present EVIDENCE to prove their claims. They have none.

Supposed affidavits? File them with testimony in the courts. Voter rolls with 200% turnout? File them in courts and produce EVIDENCE.

Now we have Hugo Chavez planning this from the grave? Nutzo

Your first statement is contradictory, and would be thrown out of any court. But since you are too stupid to understand how a court works, it is understandable that you are listening to dem talking points without thinking.

The affidavits have been filed, and are currently being filed. You are not interested in actually looking them up, you are like the media with your head intentionally in the sand, hoping your Fraud will go away by wishing it away.


Chavez is dead, but HE USED this type of software to rig his own elections years ago, and he himself witnessed how they worked to steal elections before he died. The fact that you are too dumb to listen to what was actually said, and replace it with lies, misdirection and talking points tells me you should book you one-way ticket to Venez or Cuba or your mother Russia that you clearly love more than our great country.

Powell: We have no idea yet of how many Democratic and perhaps republican politicians have paid to have their election results rigged, depriving Americans of their fundamental rights to free and fair elections provided in the US Constitution.

Where and as part of what actions have these affidavits been filed?

I am a hardcore Trumper, but talk is cheap.

Giuliani: 3 overvote analysis are done, Penn, Mich, GA...am LOT of the analysis is done by looking at the data provided by the Newsmedia, that shows mathematical impossibilities, similar to flipping a coin 86,0000 times and it coming up tails every time...that is mathematically a statistical impossibility. The outright lack of shame of direct fraud open for all to see is obvious.

Powell: there should NEVER be another election done in this country, I don't care if it's for dog-catcher, using Dominion machines, with Smartmatic software.

(11-19-2020 01:18 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Giuliani: Whether you agree or disagree, this is EVIDENCE, and to deny that it is is itself a Fraud on the American people by the Democratic Party and the MSM.

Each State has a different procedure, and they are following the various procedures in the various states, which take TIME.

The problem is that there was SO MUCH FRAUD that it is overwhelming to do it very quickly.

Instead of asking if we are going to bring a lawsuit in a jurisdiction, the media SHOULD be Concerned and REPORT and Investigate the fact that American elections are being handled by foreign countries. No one would have believed that some states are STUPID ENOUGH to have American Votes controlled by and sent overseas, to communist counties! how is that not a headline? If it is not tomorrow, the news media doesn't know what a headline is!

I have listened to the whole thing so far. That's a pretty good summary of the situation.

For those who don't know, affadavits are evidence. Guilliani read some. They have hundreds in various states.

As you said, the problem is the time needed to weave through the legal process in each contested state. They all have different processes, even before you can file lawsuits.

There is no way they can get enough ballots thrown out in time, assuming there are enough (seems to be). The Dems can tie it up in court for months, if not years.

This effort is more to keep it from happening next time.

But IMO, for this election, Trump is screwed.

(11-19-2020 01:30 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 01:18 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Giuliani: Whether you agree or disagree, this is EVIDENCE, and to deny that it is is itself a Fraud on the American people by the Democratic Party and the MSM.

Each State has a different procedure, and they are following the various procedures in the various states, which take TIME.

The problem is that there was SO MUCH FRAUD that it is overwhelming to do it very quickly.

Instead of asking if we are going to bring a lawsuit in a jurisdiction, the media SHOULD be Concerned and REPORT and Investigate the fact that American elections are being handled by foreign countries. No one would have believed that some states are STUPID ENOUGH to have American Votes controlled by and sent overseas, to communist counties! how is that not a headline? If it is not tomorrow, the news media doesn't know what a headline is!

I have listened to the whole thing so far. That's a pretty good summary of the situation.

For those who don't know, affadavits are evidence. Guilliani read some. They have hundreds in various states.

As you said, the problem is the time needed to weave through the legal process in each contested state. They all have different processes, even before you can file lawsuits.

There is no way they can get this election overturned in time. The Dems can tie it up in court for months, if not years.

This effort is more to keep it from happening next time.

But IMO, Trump is screwed.

Send it to the SCOTUS.

(11-19-2020 01:26 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 01:25 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 01:02 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I would care if they could present EVIDENCE to prove their claims. They have none.

Supposed affidavits? File them with testimony in the courts. Voter rolls with 200% turnout? File them in courts and produce EVIDENCE.

Now we have Hugo Chavez planning this from the grave? Nutzo

Your first statement is contradictory, and would be thrown out of any court. But since you are too stupid to understand how a court works, it is understandable that you are listening to dem talking points without thinking.

The affidavits have been filed, and are currently being filed. You are not interested in actually looking them up, you are like the media with your head intentionally in the sand, hoping your Fraud will go away by wishing it away.


Chavez is dead, but HE USED this type of software to rig his own elections years ago, and he himself witnessed how they worked to steal elections before he died. The fact that you are too dumb to listen to what was actually said, and replace it with lies, misdirection and talking points tells me you should book you one-way ticket to Venez or Cuba or your mother Russia that you clearly love more than our great country.

Powell: We have no idea yet of how many Democratic and perhaps republican politicians have paid to have their election results rigged, depriving Americans of their fundamental rights to free and fair elections provided in the US Constitution.

Where and as part of what actions have these affidavits been filed?

I am a hardcore Trumper, but talk is cheap.

He specified by name several of the cases filed in the newsconference, while you were ignoring him. Go back and listen, he said you can look them for yourself. the opening statements are being done, and outline what is/will be presented. No one files a sworn affidavit in court under penalty of perjury in somethuing this important, without being serious. But if you have never been to court yourself for anything more serious than a traffic ticket, it is understandable that you would have ZERO idea of how things actaullly work in court (hint: not at all like on tv shows made by democrat-controlled hollyweird, for one thing.)

(11-19-2020 12:49 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Rudy has specifically been specifying cases, plaintiffs and recounting the evidence that has been filed in the numerous cases already filed, and he is summarizing specific cases yet to be filed...he's recounting numbers, specific examples of the Fraud, he is visually demonstrating the fraud, and HE IS INVITING EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN AND THE MEDIA TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT AND REPORT WHAT HAS BEEN FILED...instead of bullying people that something that is clearly NOT legally over is over-because the Dems told you so and you better listen or else..rioting! looting! resistance!

American Citizens as a whole are very tired with and don o longer believe both the Democratic party of today and the MSM.

Thank you, Rudy, for exposing the TRUTH and being unafraid to tell it and specify examples despite the media completely ignoring the truth and our Constitution. eventually, the Higher Courts will hear these actions, after the Dem-controlled lower courts in Dem cities trample on them. The Appeals process takes time, but it will prevail.

But it's so easy to simply say, "There's no evidence!"


lol... i just wonder if they actually believe that.

(11-19-2020 01:30 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 01:18 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Giuliani: Whether you agree or disagree, this is EVIDENCE, and to deny that it is is itself a Fraud on the American people by the Democratic Party and the MSM.

Each State has a different procedure, and they are following the various procedures in the various states, which take TIME.

The problem is that there was SO MUCH FRAUD that it is overwhelming to do it very quickly.

Instead of asking if we are going to bring a lawsuit in a jurisdiction, the media SHOULD be Concerned and REPORT and Investigate the fact that American elections are being handled by foreign countries. No one would have believed that some states are STUPID ENOUGH to have American Votes controlled by and sent overseas, to communist counties! how is that not a headline? If it is not tomorrow, the news media doesn't know what a headline is!

I have listened to the whole thing so far. That's a pretty good summary of the situation.

For those who don't know, affadavits are evidence. Guilliani read some. They have hundreds in various states.

As you said, the problem is the time needed to weave through the legal process in each contested state. They all have different processes, even before you can file lawsuits.

There is no way they can get enough ballots thrown out in time, assuming there are enough (seems to be). The Dems can tie it up in court for months, if not years.

This effort is more to keep it from happening next time.

But IMO, for this election, Trump is screwed.

No he isn't. He will be just fine. "We the People" are. Even those that think what is going on is great. They are just too angry and hateful to know it yet.

(11-19-2020 01:33 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 01:26 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 01:25 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 01:02 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I would care if they could present EVIDENCE to prove their claims. They have none.

Supposed affidavits? File them with testimony in the courts. Voter rolls with 200% turnout? File them in courts and produce EVIDENCE.

Now we have Hugo Chavez planning this from the grave? Nutzo

Your first statement is contradictory, and would be thrown out of any court. But since you are too stupid to understand how a court works, it is understandable that you are listening to dem talking points without thinking.

The affidavits have been filed, and are currently being filed. You are not interested in actually looking them up, you are like the media with your head intentionally in the sand, hoping your Fraud will go away by wishing it away.


Chavez is dead, but HE USED this type of software to rig his own elections years ago, and he himself witnessed how they worked to steal elections before he died. The fact that you are too dumb to listen to what was actually said, and replace it with lies, misdirection and talking points tells me you should book you one-way ticket to Venez or Cuba or your mother Russia that you clearly love more than our great country.

Powell: We have no idea yet of how many Democratic and perhaps republican politicians have paid to have their election results rigged, depriving Americans of their fundamental rights to free and fair elections provided in the US Constitution.

Where and as part of what actions have these affidavits been filed?

I am a hardcore Trumper, but talk is cheap.

He specified by name several of the cases filed in the newsconference, while you were ignoring him. Go back and listen, he said you can look them for yourself. the opening statements are being done, and outline what is/will be presented. No one files a sworn affidavit in court under penalty of perjury in somethuing this important, without being serious. But if you have never been to court yourself for anything more serious than a traffic ticket, it is understandable that you would have ZERO idea of how things actaullly work in court (hint: not at all like on tv shows made by democrat-controlled hollyweird, for one thing.)

No, I'm not a lawyer. However, I do know this. The court that can jail someone for breaking election laws has no power to change the electoral college proceedings of a state. They can win all the court cases they want. What has to be influenced here is the election process. I don't see that happening.

(11-19-2020 01:31 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 01:30 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 01:18 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Giuliani: Whether you agree or disagree, this is EVIDENCE, and to deny that it is is itself a Fraud on the American people by the Democratic Party and the MSM.

Each State has a different procedure, and they are following the various procedures in the various states, which take TIME.

The problem is that there was SO MUCH FRAUD that it is overwhelming to do it very quickly.

Instead of asking if we are going to bring a lawsuit in a jurisdiction, the media SHOULD be Concerned and REPORT and Investigate the fact that American elections are being handled by foreign countries. No one would have believed that some states are STUPID ENOUGH to have American Votes controlled by and sent overseas, to communist counties! how is that not a headline? If it is not tomorrow, the news media doesn't know what a headline is!

I have listened to the whole thing so far. That's a pretty good summary of the situation.

For those who don't know, affadavits are evidence. Guilliani read some. They have hundreds in various states.

As you said, the problem is the time needed to weave through the legal process in each contested state. They all have different processes, even before you can file lawsuits.

There is no way they can get this election overturned in time. The Dems can tie it up in court for months, if not years.

This effort is more to keep it from happening next time.

But IMO, Trump is screwed.

Send it to the SCOTUS.

Yes, that's the eventual remedy, but they have shown a tendency to stay out of election controversy. I just don't see them acting before these votes have to be certified.

Just my 2 cents based on experience.

If you know you lost and want to cry about it, you whine around in the media for a few days, you call for Congress to investigate, you call for election reform, then you pack your bags and go home

What I am seeing is a team of people convinced that they didn’t lose and convinced they can prove it. You don’t go all in,’double down,’and hang your azz this far out to dry without some high level of confidence.

Does that mean it will happen? Who knows, it pretty corrupt system all in all.

Rudy is off his rocker, some of you are off your rocker for believing him. You're latching onto what you want to hear.

29 suits dismissed so far.

The only chance trump has is what he is trying to do in Detroit, execute a soft coup by having republicans refuse to certify the vote and use the state house to filp the electors.

(11-19-2020 12:45 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  I listened to parts of it. There are 100K absentee ballots in Wisconsin that have no application. Those are illegal (that law has already been tested) and will need to be thrown out. Those were all from Milwaukee and Madison. With that information, all services should immediately un-call Wisconsin for Joe Biden.

Rudy laid the things out really well. The media needs to do their job and honestly report on this, as well as prepare the left for the fact that Trump could *legitimately* win the election. Trump has a path that doesnt require AZ or GA.

That sounds like the strongest piece of evidence so far. Mostly its unknown fraud. We don't know how many ballots they marked in that Biden Harris van.

(11-19-2020 01:29 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Giuliani: 3 overvote analysis are done, Penn, Mich, GA...am LOT of the analysis is done by looking at the data provided by the Newsmedia, that shows mathematical impossibilities, similar to flipping a coin 86,0000 times and it coming up tails every time...that is mathematically a statistical impossibility. The outright lack of shame of direct fraud open for all to see is obvious.

Powell: there should NEVER be another election done in this country, I don't care if it's for dog-catcher, using Dominion machines, with Smartmatic software.

How do you overvote in Georgia?

I bet the Karen was from CNN.

(11-19-2020 01:30 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 01:18 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Giuliani: Whether you agree or disagree, this is EVIDENCE, and to deny that it is is itself a Fraud on the American people by the Democratic Party and the MSM.

Each State has a different procedure, and they are following the various procedures in the various states, which take TIME.

The problem is that there was SO MUCH FRAUD that it is overwhelming to do it very quickly.

Instead of asking if we are going to bring a lawsuit in a jurisdiction, the media SHOULD be Concerned and REPORT and Investigate the fact that American elections are being handled by foreign countries. No one would have believed that some states are STUPID ENOUGH to have American Votes controlled by and sent overseas, to communist counties! how is that not a headline? If it is not tomorrow, the news media doesn't know what a headline is!

I have listened to the whole thing so far. That's a pretty good summary of the situation.

For those who don't know, affadavits are evidence. Guilliani read some. They have hundreds in various states.

As you said, the problem is the time needed to weave through the legal process in each contested state. They all have different processes, even before you can file lawsuits.

There is no way they can get enough ballots thrown out in time, assuming there are enough (seems to be). The Dems can tie it up in court for months, if not years.

This effort is more to keep it from happening next time.

But IMO, for this election, Trump is screwed.

Exactly. Saying there is no "evidence" is like saying eye witness's are not "evidence". Saying there is no evidence is a lie. You can claim they dont have "enough evidence" to make you believe---thats an opinion. Saying they have no evidence is a lie by the press.

The press conference may not change the outcome---but the number of people that have confidence that Biden really won a true vote is now much lower than it was.

(11-19-2020 01:36 PM)banker Wrote:  Just my 2 cents based on experience.

If you know you lost and want to cry about it, you whine around in the media for a few days, you call for Congress to investigate, you call for election reform, then you pack your bags and go home

What I am seeing is a team of people convinced that they didn’t lose and convinced they can prove it. You don’t go all in,’double down,’and hang your azz this far out to dry without some high level of confidence.

Does that mean it will happen? Who knows, it pretty corrupt system all in all.

Then why did all the law firms withdraw representation?

You're also basing the "expected reaction" around career politicians who have been through dozens of elections. This is trumps second election, first that he has lost. And he's not good at listening to his people. So it's hard to judge his reaction vs. that of someone with political experience and say that is a sign of how strong their case is.

Giuliana: when I saw the same thing (the same m.o. (modus operandi) in several states, you'd have to be an Idiot not to see there was something wrong with what was going on.


Actually, this points to the STUPIDITY of the Fraudsters to believe their blatant fraud would not be caught, and the brazenness with which they cavalierly faked results and altered election results.

Giuliana: Follow the political power. You are actually asking me to take the Sec of State of Michigan seriously that their election was sent to Germany to be counted by a company that is owned by Venezuelan allies? that's an embarrassment--I'd fire them all if I were the Gov of Michigan--either the gov is incompetent or they didn't want to know.

You think they have any kind of credibility after what they did to their citizens? Of course they'll deny--they are Democrats.

Our first case we are asking for the court to give us subpoena authority to go get more evidence due to probable cause. We have to follow the court procedure (something they don;t have to do on TV shows.)

Giuliani: What fake network do you come from? Our cases HAVE NOT been dismissed; Ma'am, that's not OUR case, stop lying to people,. You are LYING. Stop lying to the American people. You are a totally discourteous person interrupting. I'm going to finish my answer. The only lawsuit we have withdrawn is the one we already got relief over, so no reason to continue it. We have another lawsuit in Michigan, not dropped, which does not need to compete, since we got the relief we were looking for.

Now news media attempts to shout the news down so people cannot hear. I thought Dems did not like interrupting? BS. They are filthy liars.

Al Gore had much more time than we have, and no one tried to rush him in 2000. Why are press not treating people equally? Maybe press does not believe in equality. Some lawyers are dropping out of case because teir lives are being threatened. They are afraid...but you are not covering that...the CENSORSHIP that is going on in this country right now is almost as dangerous, maybe as dangerous, as the provable election fradu8d that happened in this election!

Where is the evidence rudolph?

Quote:The Trump campaign also alleges that local election clerks issued absentee ballots to voters without requiring an application, in violation of state law. Trump’s complaint alleges that 60,000 votes were cast by people who didn’t submit a written application, but offered no evidence.

Milwaukee County Clerk George Christenson said there was “no proof” to back up that claim.

“I would encourage them to provide the proof,” he said.

Elections commission members Knudson and Thomsen both said they did not know what Trump was referring to in that portion of the complaint.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-wiscons...c4f97599c1

(11-19-2020 01:37 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Rudy is off his rocker, some of you are off your rocker for believing him. You're latching onto what you want to hear.

29 suits dismissed so far.

The only chance trump has is what he is trying to do in Detroit, execute a soft coup by having republicans refuse to certify the vote and use the state house to filp the electors.

Most of those were filed before the election, and dismissed for lack of standing due to that.

Biden is illegitimate. Election stolen.

That was the Kraken.