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MBB Recruiting Report: The Fischer Era So Far
I've been slowly accumulating this information (which is why some of the lists are not in alphabetical order sorry) and now that this year's recruiting class have all signed on the dotted line I figured this would be a good time to post it.

Recruiting report for the first three years of the Fischer Era:
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Offers, listed chronologically, by year (commitments/total offers)

2019 - Miguel Ayesa, Ben Wight, Rainers Hermanovskis, Thatcher Stone

2020 (3/13) - Burke Smith, Max Murrell, Mason Madsen, Gabe Madsen, Noel Brown, Connor Kochera, Xavier Lipscomb, Caleb Dorsey, Ronald Polite, Kaden Metheny, Jake Milkereit, Connor Linke, Yuri Covington

2021 (3/16) - Isaiah Folkes, Angelo Brizzi, Jack Molloy, Matthew Nunez, Gianni Thompson, Tyrese Hughey, Garrett Johnson, Langdon Hatton, Tyler Rice, Julian Lewis, Will Tschetter, AJ Smith, AJ Braun, Ben Schwieger, Noah Harris, Max Hrdlicka
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Offers by geography (commits/offers)
Florida 1/1
Latvia 1/1
Ohio 1/3
Massachusetts 1/2
Nebraska 0/1
Virginia 0/7
Minnesota 0/3
Pennsylvania 0/1
West Virginia 0/1
Maryland 1/2
Illinois 1/3
Texas 1/1
Connecticut 0/1
South Carolina 1/1
Michigan 1/1
New Jersey 0/1
North Carolina 0/1
Indiana 1/1
Georgia 0/1
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Schools who offered the same players as WM and the number of times their offers overlapped.

10: Elon

9: Lehigh

8: Furman, Toledo

7: Brown, Bucknell, JMU

6: Fairfield, Ohio

5: South Dakota, VA Tech, Milwaukee, Youngstown St, Mount St Mary's

4: Penn St, Richmond, Xavier, Loyola Chicago, Yale, Dartmouth, Robert Morris, Columbia, Penn, Duquesne, Drexel, Boston University, George Mason, St Bonaventure, Georgetown, GW, UNCW

3: Northeastern, Missouri St, Lafayette, UC Davis, Bradley, Northern Iowa, Colorado St, Minnesota, Iowa, Cincinnati, Loyola MD, Northwestern, Cleveland St, Bryant, Holy Cross, American, Wofford, UMKC, Lipscomb, Illinois-Chicago, Wright St, ODU, Charlotte, App State

2: Samford, Rhode Island, Indiana St, Illinois St, Green Bay, ETSU, Delaware, Cal Poly, Canisius, Army, Colgate, WCU, USC Upstate, Nebraska, UMass, Boston College, Quinnipiac, Towson, Southern Illinois, Howard, Navy, Iona, Michigan, Siena, Rice, Miami OH, Eastern Michigan, Akron, Bowling Green, St Peters, NJIT, La Salle, UC Santa Barbara, Western Michigan, Central Michigan, Stetson, Radford, NC A&T, VCU

1: Arkansas, Air Force, Arizona, Ball St, Bellarmine, Belmont, Boise State, Buffalo, Cal, CofC, Chattanooga, Colorado, Creighton, Davidson, Denver, Drake, ECU, Evansville, Florida, Hampton, Harvard, Hofstra, Iowa St, IUPUI, Jacksonville, Kansas State, Kent State, LSU, Marist, Marquette, UMBC, Mercer, Murray St, Niagara, Norfolk St, Northern Arizona, Northern Colorado, North Dakota, North Dakota St, North Florida, North Texas, Oakland, Pepperdine, Princeton, Providence, Rider, San Diego, UC Riverside, SIUE, South Alabama, Southern Utah, St Francis PA, St Joes, St Louis, Stephen F Austin, Stanford, Stony Brook, UT Arlington, Temple, Texas A&M, TCU, Tulsa, Texas St, Vermont, Villanova, Wake Forest, Western Illinois, WKU, Winthrop, Wyoming, Utah St, UMass Lowell
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Schools that "beat" WM for a recruit:
Boise State, Stanford, Cincinnati (x2), GW, Radford, GMU, Bowling Green, Bradley, Yale, Michigan, Princeton, Boston College, Loyola Chicago, Villanova, Marist, Charlotte, North Florida, and two recruits re-classified

Schools that have split (times opponent got the recruit : times WM got the recruit)
Furman (1:3), Penn St (1:1), Wright St (1:2)

Schools that WM "beat" for a recruit:
Brown (x3), Elon (x3), Wofford (x3), Bucknell (x2), Central Michigan (x2), Dartmouth (x2), Ohio (x2), Lehigh (x2), Lipscomb (x2), Milwaukee (x2), Siena (x2), Toledo (x2), UIC (x2), UMKC (x2), Western Michigan (x2), Air Force, Ball St, Bellarmine, Boston University, Bryant, Canisius, Cleveland St, Denver, Duquesne, Eastern Michigan, Evansville, Illinois St, Indiana St, Lafayette, Miami OH, Mount St Mary's, Northern Arizona, NC A&T, Northern Colorado, North Texas, Oakland, Penn, Robert Morris, Rice, South Dakota, SIUE, Stephen F Austin, Texas St, Tulsa, UC Davis, USC Upstate, Utah State, UT Arlington, Western Carolina, Western Illinois, WKU, Youngstown St
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Assistant Coaches (commitments / players offered that they initially followed)
"?" Means I'm guessing who the point of contact was

Boatner 1/10 (Covington / B Smith?, Brown?, Lipscomb, Dorsey?, Polite, Brizzi, Nunez, Johnson, Harris)
Howland 4/10 (Hermanovskis?, Kochera, Hatton, Rice / G Madsen, M Madsen, Metheny, A Smith, Schwieger, Hrdlicka)
Kemp 5/13 (Ayesa, Wight, Stone, Milkereit, Lewis / Murrell, Linke, Folkes, Molloy, Thompson, Hughey, Tschetter?, Braun)
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CAA recruits by team and their number of offers. (Number in parentheses is the average amount of offers the players of that team's recruiting class received; teams are thus ranked in descending order)

(I did my best with the number of offers, trying to compare Verbal Commits with the player's Twitter account.)

2019 team ranking
CofC (13.5): King 19, Reddish 13, Tucker 11, Epps 11
Drexel (11): Bickerstaff 21, Okros 1
Elon (10.3): Ervin 21, Woods 6, McIntosh 4
JMU (9.8): Harvey 14, Christmas 14, Fowler 10, Wooden 9, Richey 8, Dobbs 4
UNCW (6.7): Dodd 10, Phillips 9, Boggs 1
Hofstra (4.3): Burgess 7, Cramer 5, Miranda 1
Northeastern (3): Walker 8, Braun 2, Cubrilo 1, Emanga 1
Towson (2.5): Gibson 3, Thompson 2
WM (2): Stone 4, Wight 2, Ayesa 1, Hermanovskis 1
Delaware (1): McCoy 1 Asamoah 1

2019 individual top 5 by number of offers:
1 TJ Bickerstaff, Drexel 21
tie Zac Ervin, Elon 21
3 Dontavious King, CofC 19
4 Jayvis Harvey, JMU 14
tie Michael Christmas, JMU 14

2020 Team ranking
UNCW (14.5): Harvey 22, Carr 7
Elon (13): Michael 19, Graham 17, Harris 9, Burford 7
WM (11.3): Kochera 16, Milkereit 14, Covington 4
JMU (8.7): Amadi 11, Edwards 8, Strickland 7
Hofstra (8): Green 17, Bethea 6, Masic 1
Towson (7): Jones 12, Biekeu 2
Delaware (5.5): Carr 10, Arletti 1
Northeastern (5): Stucke 8, Telfort 5, Hadley 4, Nwagha 3
Drexel (4.3) Oden 8, Bell 4, Williams 1
CofC (3.7) Ogom 6, Houston 4, Harvey 1

2020 individual top 5
1 Jamahri Harvey, UNCW 22
2 Jadun Michael, Elon 19
3 Michael Graham, Elon 17
tie David Green, Hofstra 17
5 Connor Kochera, WM 16
(6 Jake Milkereit, WM 14)

2021 team ranking (some teams still have scholarships available)
WM (15): Lewis 18, Hatton 18, Rice 9
CofC (11.3): Jones 15, Horton 14, Dudley 5
JMU (11.3): Stinson 15, McConnell 12, Savage 7
Hofstra (7): Carlos 13, Barrouk 1
Elon (6.5): Sherry 7, Noord 6
UNCW (5): McCracken 12, White 2, McGriff 1
Drexel (5): Butler 5
Northeastern (2): Randriasalama 2
Towson (1.7): Hicks 2, Coleman 2, Gill 1
Delaware (0):

2021 individual top 5:
1 Julian Lewis, WM 18
tie Langdon Hatton, WM 18
3 Kanye Jones, CofC 15
tie Jaylen Stinson, JMU 15
5 Raekwon Horton, CofC 14
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Impressive work 08. Thanks for the insight and all that you do.
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RE: MBB Recruiting Report: The Fischer Era So Far
Awesome insight here. The bit that got me thinking the most:

"Schools who offered the same players as WM and the number of times their offers overlapped.

10: Elon

9: Lehigh

8: Furman, Toledo

7: Brown, Bucknell, JMU"

Speaks to our "peer schools" -- would be very interesting to see this spread out longitudinally, perhaps over 5 years (no, we're not suggesting you do this/if it's even possible).

We talk a lot in the W&M community about who our peers are (especially given WM Athletics' recent struggles); to answer the question, we should look no further than to the types of schools we compete against for student athletes.

Elon, Lehigh, Brown, Bucknell, JMU stand out the most to me here: CAA, Patriot, Ivy, Patriot, CAA.

Elon & JMU of course are regional CAA rivals that both provide a great combination of athletics and academics; I have no doubt that their recruiting pitches are very similar to ours (JMU leaning more on their athletics, but can still harp on both).

The Ivy and Patriot league schools can make the same type of case to recruits -- tilting more toward the academic argument vs. the athletics one, of course.

Very interesting.
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(11-18-2020 09:07 PM)WMSportsBlog Wrote:  Awesome insight here. The bit that got me thinking the most:

"Schools who offered the same players as WM and the number of times their offers overlapped.

10: Elon

9: Lehigh

8: Furman, Toledo

7: Brown, Bucknell, JMU"

Speaks to our "peer schools" -- would be very interesting to see this spread out longitudinally, perhaps over 5 years (no, we're not suggesting you do this/if it's even possible).

We talk a lot in the W&M community about who our peers are (especially given WM Athletics' recent struggles); to answer the question, we should look no further than to the types of schools we compete against for student athletes.

Elon, Lehigh, Brown, Bucknell, JMU stand out the most to me here: CAA, Patriot, Ivy, Patriot, CAA.

Elon & JMU of course are regional CAA rivals that both provide a great combination of athletics and academics; I have no doubt that their recruiting pitches are very similar to ours (JMU leaning more on their athletics, but can still harp on both).

The Ivy and Patriot league schools can make the same type of case to recruits -- tilting more toward the academic argument vs. the athletics one, of course.

Very interesting.

I had the same thought and tried to make a conference out of the schools whose offers overlapped the most with the WM but I don’t know the football situation of some of these schools so the exercise had limited utility.
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RE: MBB Recruiting Report: The Fischer Era So Far
(11-18-2020 08:05 PM)WillaMary08 Wrote:  I've been slowly accumulating this information (which is why some of the lists are not in alphabetical order sorry) and now that this year's recruiting class have all signed on the dotted line I figured this would be a good time to post it.


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Schools who offered the same players as WM and the number of times their offers overlapped.

10: Elon

9: Lehigh

8: Furman, Toledo

7: Brown, Bucknell, JMU

6: Fairfield, Ohio

5: South Dakota, VA Tech, Milwaukee, Youngstown St, Mount St Mary's

4: Penn St, Richmond, Xavier, Loyola Chicago, Yale, Dartmouth, Robert Morris, Columbia, Penn, Duquesne, Drexel, Boston University, George Mason, St Bonaventure, Georgetown, GW, UNCW

3: Northeastern, Missouri St, Lafayette, UC Davis, Bradley, Northern Iowa, Colorado St, Minnesota, Iowa, Cincinnati, Loyola MD, Northwestern, Cleveland St, Bryant, Holy Cross, American, Wofford, UMKC, Lipscomb, Illinois-Chicago, Wright St, ODU, Charlotte, App State

2: Samford, Rhode Island, Indiana St, Illinois St, Green Bay, ETSU, Delaware, Cal Poly, Canisius, Army, Colgate, WCU, USC Upstate, Nebraska, UMass, Boston College, Quinnipiac, Towson, Southern Illinois, Howard, Navy, Iona, Michigan, Siena, Rice, Miami OH, Eastern Michigan, Akron, Bowling Green, St Peters, NJIT, La Salle, UC Santa Barbara, Western Michigan, Central Michigan, Stetson, Radford, NC A&T, VCU

1: Arkansas, Air Force, Arizona, Ball St, Bellarmine, Belmont, Boise State, Buffalo, Cal, CofC, Chattanooga, Colorado, Creighton, Davidson, Denver, Drake, ECU, Evansville, Florida, Hampton, Harvard, Hofstra, Iowa St, IUPUI, Jacksonville, Kansas State, Kent State, LSU, Marist, Marquette, UMBC, Mercer, Murray St, Niagara, Norfolk St, Northern Arizona, Northern Colorado, North Dakota, North Dakota St, North Florida, North Texas, Oakland, Pepperdine, Princeton, Providence, Rider, San Diego, UC Riverside, SIUE, South Alabama, Southern Utah, St Francis PA, St Joes, St Louis, Stephen F Austin, Stanford, Stony Brook, UT Arlington, Temple, Texas A&M, TCU, Tulsa, Texas St, Vermont, Villanova, Wake Forest, Western Illinois, WKU, Winthrop, Wyoming, Utah St, UMass Lowell
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Excellent work.

The team that was no surprise on this list was Elon. They run the same style program that we run and look for the same type of player as we do. It is good to see that we have been beating them for cross-over prospects.

The team that surprised me, by not being listed as high for overlaps, as I would have expected, was Northeastern (and to some degree, Holy Cross). It seemed like, for years, that the Northeastern staff was just reading our recruiting board and when they saw that we offered a kid, they would go right out and offer him as well. It was like we were competing on every prospect.

Thanks for the hard work.
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(11-18-2020 08:21 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  Impressive work 08. Thanks for the insight and all that you do.

+1
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(11-18-2020 08:05 PM)WillaMary08 Wrote:  ...
Offers by geography (commits/offers)
Virginia 0/7

(11-18-2020 09:07 PM)WMSportsBlog Wrote:  ... Speaks to our "peer schools" ...

Very interesting, thanks! Someone started a thread about "where are all the Virginia recruits?" This data shows that the Virginia recruits that we offer are all going somewhere else (I even saw that we lost out to Radford (don't know if that recruit was from Virginia)). It will take years but we really need to work on that --- make W&M a destination for good Virginia recruits. When we beat out UVa or Tech or even VCU for one of them then we will know that we have arrived.
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(11-19-2020 10:22 AM)Zorch Wrote:  ...This data shows that the Virginia recruits that we offer are all going somewhere else (I even saw that we lost out to Radford (don't know if that recruit was from Virginia)).

Radford recruit was Xavier Lipscomb. He played for St. Stephens/St. Agnes in Alexandria, VA. Not that it matters, but I'm pretty sure he hails from Washington, DC.
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(11-19-2020 10:22 AM)Zorch Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 08:05 PM)WillaMary08 Wrote:  ...
Offers by geography (commits/offers)
Virginia 0/7

(11-18-2020 09:07 PM)WMSportsBlog Wrote:  ... Speaks to our "peer schools" ...

Very interesting, thanks! Someone started a thread about "where are all the Virginia recruits?" This data shows that the Virginia recruits that we offer are all going somewhere else (I even saw that we lost out to Radford (don't know if that recruit was from Virginia)). It will take years but we really need to work on that --- make W&M a destination for good Virginia recruits. When we beat out UVa or Tech or even VCU for one of them then we will know that we have arrived.

The recruits from Virginia and where they went:
Burke Smith - Boise State
Xavier Lipscomb - Radford
Noel Brown - GW
Isaiah Folkes - Charlotte
Matt Nunez - reclassified
Angelo Brizzi - Villanova
Garrett Johnson - Princeton
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This is awesome work
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(11-19-2020 11:17 AM)WillaMary08 Wrote:  The recruits from Virginia and where they went:
Burke Smith - Boise State
Xavier Lipscomb - Radford
Noel Brown - GW
Isaiah Folkes - Charlotte
Matt Nunez - reclassified
Angelo Brizzi - Villanova
Garrett Johnson - Princeton

Other than Folkes & Brizzi, I felt like we had a pretty good shot at all those guys. Especially Smith, Brown, & Johnson.
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My hypothesis regarding why WM has been more successful recently getting out-of-state commits and not Virginia ones is that, even though name recognition for WM would be higher in Virgina than elsewhere, a recruit in Virginia is going to have multiple mid-major, good academic, East Coast schools offering him. To a similar-caliber recruit in the Midwest or Texas or wherever, a WM offer is positioned as an unique opportunity especially if WM is the only high academic, mid-major, East Coast school to offer.
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(11-18-2020 10:00 PM)billymac Wrote:  Excellent work.

The team that was no surprise on this list was Elon. They run the same style program that we run and look for the same type of player as we do. It is good to see that we have been beating them for cross-over prospects.

The team that surprised me, by not being listed as high for overlaps, as I would have expected, was Northeastern (and to some degree, Holy Cross). It seemed like, for years, that the Northeastern staff was just reading our recruiting board and when they saw that we offered a kid, they would go right out and offer him as well. It was like we were competing on every prospect.

Thanks for the hard work.

I only see what Northeastern is up to when I'm looking at Verbal Commits but what I've seen, generally, is that Northeastern is going after more Canadian/European recruits than WM, Northeastern doesn't offer as many players as WM, and it seems Northeastern makes their offers in the regular signing period after WM has typically filled their scholarship spots in the early period and the players that WM had targeted during that early period have already committed somewhere.
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