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People are obviously not capable of making their own decisions about risk with COVID, Brovol. Doctors Without Borders is in the freaking United States right now. North Dakota has the world's highest mortality rate. We are losing the battle with COVID while other countries in Asia are literally having concerts and sports games.

I'm literally just in shock at some of the things spouted on this message board. It's insane. It's so far-fetched from reality I cannot believe it.

A week ago one day the Minneapolis STAR-TRIBUNE had ten and a half pages of obituaries.

Sure, COVID-19 is no worse than the flu.

(11-20-2020 03:56 PM)StrikeGold1 Wrote:  People are obviously not capable of making their own decisions about risk with COVID, Brovol. Doctors Without Borders is in the freaking United States right now. North Dakota has the world's highest mortality rate. We are losing the battle with COVID while other countries in Asia are literally having concerts and sports games.

I'm literally just in shock at some of the things spouted on this message board. It's insane. It's so far-fetched from reality I cannot believe it.

And I feel as much in shock as you do, but for the opposite reason.

There is one person I know who died, and it was classified as a covid-19 death. In fact, long before contracting covid-19 she was receiving hospice treatment, and was about 80 lbs when she got covid-19 in the hospital. She was already told her life expectancy was weeks before heading to Henry Ford Hospital for a treatment, picking up the virus there, and perhaps the covid-19 expedited her death, but to suggest that she died from covid-19 is preposterous, and all the folks in my small town know it is. But I digress. Other than this friend I referenced, I know of no other person who I am personally familiar with who was either seriously sick or died with covid-19. Friends, family, and anyone I know, whether friendly with or not. In fact, I don't know all that many people who have even gotten covid-19, but those who have had very little to no symptoms. I am not suggesting that there aren't an awful lot of people who have gotten extremely sick, and who have died as a result of contracting covid-19, but rather, I am suggesting it is not as widespread a serious deadly illness as many would like everyone to believe. But more importantly, my objections are to government responses which are counterproductive, unfair and overreaching.

I suspect that you haven't listened to the audio I linked this morning in this thread. I think you should.

But isn't "the science" clear?

The article was less about "masks" specifically and more about the gradual, if not abrupt, errosion of our 1st Amendment rights.

Oh well....

"With so many people conflicted and heavily committed to the prevailing narrative, what is the route out of this mess?"...

Coercive mandates in general are contra-indicated. If we could lock down at zero cost, it would maybe be useful, but we can't.

If masks work, why is the entire northern hemisphere seeing a resurgence (continuance of the first wave) during cold and flu season?

Also, North Dakota does not lead the world in fatality rate. Please use correct statistics. If you count states as countries, the top places with deaths per million are as follows (and certainly a function of density and climate):

1. New Jersey, 1,902
2. New York, 1,760
3. Mass., 1,525
4. CT, 1,354
5. Louisiana, 1347
6. Belgium, 1,337
7. San Marino, 1,266
8. Miss., 1,235
9. RI, 1,221
10. North Dakota, 1,102

"All close contacts of the asymptomatic positive cases tested negative, indicating that the asymptomatic positive cases detected in this study were unlikely to be infectious".....

There were no positive tests amongst 1,174 close contacts of asymptomatic cases.

Comments?

Thoughts?

(11-29-2020 08:53 AM)ess Wrote:  "All close contacts of the asymptomatic positive cases tested negative, indicating that the asymptomatic positive cases detected in this study were unlikely to be infectious".....

There were no positive tests amongst 1,174 close contacts of asymptomatic cases.

Comments?

Thoughts?

It's China...

Just like the flu, though, the general observation is that most spread is right before and the day symptoms start, before a person knows to stay home. Note that asymptomatic and presymptomatic are different.

Lockdown supporters may cower from these facts, but that doesn’t make them any less real. Journalists pretend to fool each other, dissociating by attributing these travesties to the “pandemic” instead of “lockdowns.” But God is not fooled.