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RE: Significant News Out of Michigan - Wayne County
(11-18-2020 11:08 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 09:33 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 07:57 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Just to clear up some misinformation here.

Had the county board not changed their vote, it would have went to the state board of canvas, which is also split evenly along party lines, it would not have gone to the republican led legislature.

As was pointed out earlier, the discrepancies were usually less than 5 per precinct...and this is in line with pretty much all elections in the area...and likely in many parts of America.

The pathetic part here is that Livonia, which is 90% white had a higher rate of discrepancy than Detroit, which is 80% black...yet the 2 republicans were just fine with certifying the county other than Detroit.

Bottom line, yes, it's over.

dude, do you even math or do you think everything that republicans do is racist? Population of Livonia is 94k, population of Detroit is 672k...

Do you? It was not the total number of discrepancies, it was the percentage. The percentages were higher in Livonia in relation to the number of votes cast.

14% discrepancy in Detroit will still be more votes than a 100% discrepancy in Livonia... 07-coffee3
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RE: Significant News Out of Michigan - Wayne County
(11-18-2020 10:52 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
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(11-17-2020 11:33 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Then why are you here all of the sudden. All we want is all allowable votes counted. That sure the fvck isn’t what you and your progressive socialist butt buddies want.

Did I disturb your echo chamber? If you can only discuss your opinion with people that agree with you it’s a good sign you are wrong. Maybe try Parler.

try Parler? Or what? What are you going to do prog filth? dox us and intimidate us like your side did to the Republican canvassers in Wayne County? 07-coffee3

I was just suggesting someplace where you can find your echo chamber you are more comfortable in.

I’m not some far left wing democrat. I’m out even a Democrat, I voted in the republican primary and voted a mostly down ballot republican ticket in my state. I’m a just right of center voter that hovers between a moderate republican and a blue dog Democrat. I haven’t left the Republican Party, the Republican Party moved further right out from under me.

I believe in the constitution and that rights are applied to everyone equally. If that makes me progressive filth to you guys so be it, it just makes you wrong.

The Republican Party has not moved right at all. I would put it about the same place as the JFK dems. With W, McCain, and Romney, the party leaped left and became the big government republicans.

Unfortunately, the GOP RINOs have moved further and further left.

The party left me.

And that's why I feel bad for the average Joe Democrat -- his party has left him.
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RE: Significant News Out of Michigan - Wayne County
When they don't get what they want, This Dem commissioner does what they all do - charge others they disagree with as being RACIST. So, the Republicans caved.



What a despicable POS.
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RE: Significant News Out of Michigan - Wayne County
(11-18-2020 11:11 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:08 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 09:33 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 07:57 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Just to clear up some misinformation here.

Had the county board not changed their vote, it would have went to the state board of canvas, which is also split evenly along party lines, it would not have gone to the republican led legislature.

As was pointed out earlier, the discrepancies were usually less than 5 per precinct...and this is in line with pretty much all elections in the area...and likely in many parts of America.

The pathetic part here is that Livonia, which is 90% white had a higher rate of discrepancy than Detroit, which is 80% black...yet the 2 republicans were just fine with certifying the county other than Detroit.

Bottom line, yes, it's over.

dude, do you even math or do you think everything that republicans do is racist? Population of Livonia is 94k, population of Detroit is 672k...

Do you? It was not the total number of discrepancies, it was the percentage. The percentages were higher in Livonia in relation to the number of votes cast.

14% discrepancy in Detroit will still be more votes than a 100% discrepancy in Livonia... 07-coffee3

Dude, just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.
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(11-18-2020 11:13 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  When they don't get what they want, This Dem commissioner does what they all do - charge others they disagree with as being RACIST. So, the Republicans caved.



What a despicable POS.

If the shoe fits...the GOP lackey's were far more despicable. Have you seen the Facebook page of one of them?
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RE: Significant News Out of Michigan - Wayne County
(11-18-2020 11:13 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:11 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:08 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 09:33 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 07:57 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Just to clear up some misinformation here.

Had the county board not changed their vote, it would have went to the state board of canvas, which is also split evenly along party lines, it would not have gone to the republican led legislature.

As was pointed out earlier, the discrepancies were usually less than 5 per precinct...and this is in line with pretty much all elections in the area...and likely in many parts of America.

The pathetic part here is that Livonia, which is 90% white had a higher rate of discrepancy than Detroit, which is 80% black...yet the 2 republicans were just fine with certifying the county other than Detroit.

Bottom line, yes, it's over.

dude, do you even math or do you think everything that republicans do is racist? Population of Livonia is 94k, population of Detroit is 672k...

Do you? It was not the total number of discrepancies, it was the percentage. The percentages were higher in Livonia in relation to the number of votes cast.

14% discrepancy in Detroit will still be more votes than a 100% discrepancy in Livonia... 07-coffee3

Dude, just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

Awww did I hurt your feelings? If we cant agree, then why don't we 100% canvass and audit the state before certifying the election? I mean, if Biden won the state, then the left shouldn't have anything to worry about right? 07-coffee3
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RE: Significant News Out of Michigan - Wayne County
(11-18-2020 11:17 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:13 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:11 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:08 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 09:33 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  dude, do you even math or do you think everything that republicans do is racist? Population of Livonia is 94k, population of Detroit is 672k...

Do you? It was not the total number of discrepancies, it was the percentage. The percentages were higher in Livonia in relation to the number of votes cast.

14% discrepancy in Detroit will still be more votes than a 100% discrepancy in Livonia... 07-coffee3

Dude, just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

Awww did I hurt your feelings? If we cant agree, then why don't we 100% canvass and audit the state before certifying the election? I mean, if Biden won the state, then the left shouldn't have anything to worry about right? 07-coffee3

You? 03-lmfao Not a chance. Biden won the state...I have nothing to worry about. I'm not the one flailing around holding onto the last snowflake in hell.

And again, every county does a canvass already. There's no need to audit the state when trump is behind by 150k votes. The state doesn't have the money to waste on such nonsense.
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RE: Significant News Out of Michigan - Wayne County
(11-18-2020 11:13 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  When they don't get what they want, This Dem commissioner does what they all do - charge others they disagree with as being RACIST. So, the Republicans caved.



What a despicable POS.

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RE: Significant News Out of Michigan - Wayne County
(11-18-2020 10:50 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 08:09 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 07:41 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Just local Republican leaders being obstinate and refusing to accept results which look perfectly legit.

2012 Wayne County - Romney 214K, Obama 595K votes
2016 - Trump 229, Clinton 519
2020 - Trump 264, Biden 587

What looks out of place? Nothing. You really think Detroit would vote big for Trump? Yes, Trump has made inroads there the last 2 election cycles but it's not as if vote totals are out of whack. Trump got 35K more votes from 2016 to 2020, and Biden improved Clinton's total by 68K. That's a lot I suppose but Wayne County has a population of 1.75 million people. We're talking about voting totals that are significantly lower than most other counties in 2020.

Just for comparison, Oakland County is the 2nd largest county in Michigan (about 1.26 million people). In 2016, it was 343 for Clinton and 289 for Trump. In 2020, it was 433 for Biden and 325 for Trump. Way bigger voter increase in the 4 years, and a much, much larger voter turnout percentage. Oakland County might raise a red flag in my eyes, but Wayne County seems well within the expected margins.

I'm curious how many "local Republican" leaders there are since 21 of 22 elected leaders in Wayne County are Democrats from County Executive to County Commission to Sheriff to Clerk, etc. The lone Republican is one commissioner out of 15 county commissioners.

Or go north to Republican run St. Clair County:

2012 - Romney 53.0%, Obama 45.9% (Romney +7.1)
2016 - Trump 62.9%, Clinton 31.5% (Trump +31.4%)
2020 - Trump 64.3%, Biden 34.1% (Trump +30.2)

Or Macomb:

2012- Obama 51.6% Romney 47.6% (Romney -4.0%)
2016 - Trump 53.6%, Clinton 42.1% (Trump +12.5%)
2020 - Trump 53.3%, Biden 45.4% (Trump +7.9)

Trump wasn't doing as well in those counties that have become very Red, so if his margins were falling in his go-to districts (without fraud) it is logical to see that he will also lose ground in bluer counties.

Except polling indicated he did better with minority voters this time around. In fact, polling indicated the only group he did worse with was white suburban women. His margins among white suburban men stayed even. He did substantially better with African American men. So, no—blue areas, especially minority urban districts, actually should have been tighter than in 2016.
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RE: Significant News Out of Michigan - Wayne County
(11-18-2020 11:20 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:17 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:13 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:11 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:08 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Do you? It was not the total number of discrepancies, it was the percentage. The percentages were higher in Livonia in relation to the number of votes cast.

14% discrepancy in Detroit will still be more votes than a 100% discrepancy in Livonia... 07-coffee3

Dude, just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

Awww did I hurt your feelings? If we cant agree, then why don't we 100% canvass and audit the state before certifying the election? I mean, if Biden won the state, then the left shouldn't have anything to worry about right? 07-coffee3

You? 03-lmfao Not a chance. Biden won the state...I have nothing to worry about. I'm not the one flailing around holding onto the last snowflake in hell.

You sure? Because it sounds like I just hurt your feelings, but its alright if I did, because I don't give a damn about your feelings. Might want to get back to work and stop wasting your company's money. 07-coffee3
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(11-18-2020 11:21 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:20 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:17 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:13 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:11 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  14% discrepancy in Detroit will still be more votes than a 100% discrepancy in Livonia... 07-coffee3

Dude, just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

Awww did I hurt your feelings? If we cant agree, then why don't we 100% canvass and audit the state before certifying the election? I mean, if Biden won the state, then the left shouldn't have anything to worry about right? 07-coffee3

You? 03-lmfao Not a chance. Biden won the state...I have nothing to worry about. I'm not the one flailing around holding onto the last snowflake in hell.

You sure? Because it sounds like I just hurt your feelings, but its alright if I did, because I don't give a damn about your feelings. Might want to get back to work and stop wasting your company's money. 07-coffee3

You sure have a lot of days off lately...did Big Gretch get you laid off?

And worry about yourself skippy...you have no idea how many hours I work or what my job entails and whether I have downtime, etc.

But no, how could you being totally wrong about something you know nothing about hurt MY feelings? The only thing that hurts is my belly from laughing so hard at your pathetic attempts to alter reality.

It. Is. Over.
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RE: Significant News Out of Michigan - Wayne County
(11-18-2020 11:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:21 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:20 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:17 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:13 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Dude, just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

Awww did I hurt your feelings? If we cant agree, then why don't we 100% canvass and audit the state before certifying the election? I mean, if Biden won the state, then the left shouldn't have anything to worry about right? 07-coffee3

You? 03-lmfao Not a chance. Biden won the state...I have nothing to worry about. I'm not the one flailing around holding onto the last snowflake in hell.

You sure? Because it sounds like I just hurt your feelings, but its alright if I did, because I don't give a damn about your feelings. Might want to get back to work and stop wasting your company's money. 07-coffee3

You sure have a lot of days off lately...did Big Gretch get you laid off?

And worry about yourself skippy...you have no idea how many hours I work or what my job entails and whether I have downtime, etc.

But no, how could you being totally wrong about something you know nothing about hurt MY feelings? The only thing that hurts is my belly from laughing so hard at your pathetic attempts to alter reality.

It. Is. Over.

what else would you like to know about my job? Do you want to know how many PTO days I have left? How about how much I make? Naw, don't ask me that, I don't want to make you jealous. And alter reality? What reality? What is over? Nothing is over until it becomes official. Has the election become official? Or are you saying that there are no lawsuits and states have already certified their elections and the electors have voted? 07-coffee3
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RE: Significant News Out of Michigan - Wayne County
(11-18-2020 11:21 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 10:50 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 08:09 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 07:41 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Just local Republican leaders being obstinate and refusing to accept results which look perfectly legit.

2012 Wayne County - Romney 214K, Obama 595K votes
2016 - Trump 229, Clinton 519
2020 - Trump 264, Biden 587

What looks out of place? Nothing. You really think Detroit would vote big for Trump? Yes, Trump has made inroads there the last 2 election cycles but it's not as if vote totals are out of whack. Trump got 35K more votes from 2016 to 2020, and Biden improved Clinton's total by 68K. That's a lot I suppose but Wayne County has a population of 1.75 million people. We're talking about voting totals that are significantly lower than most other counties in 2020.

Just for comparison, Oakland County is the 2nd largest county in Michigan (about 1.26 million people). In 2016, it was 343 for Clinton and 289 for Trump. In 2020, it was 433 for Biden and 325 for Trump. Way bigger voter increase in the 4 years, and a much, much larger voter turnout percentage. Oakland County might raise a red flag in my eyes, but Wayne County seems well within the expected margins.

I'm curious how many "local Republican" leaders there are since 21 of 22 elected leaders in Wayne County are Democrats from County Executive to County Commission to Sheriff to Clerk, etc. The lone Republican is one commissioner out of 15 county commissioners.

Or go north to Republican run St. Clair County:

2012 - Romney 53.0%, Obama 45.9% (Romney +7.1)
2016 - Trump 62.9%, Clinton 31.5% (Trump +31.4%)
2020 - Trump 64.3%, Biden 34.1% (Trump +30.2)

Or Macomb:

2012- Obama 51.6% Romney 47.6% (Romney -4.0%)
2016 - Trump 53.6%, Clinton 42.1% (Trump +12.5%)
2020 - Trump 53.3%, Biden 45.4% (Trump +7.9)

Trump wasn't doing as well in those counties that have become very Red, so if his margins were falling in his go-to districts (without fraud) it is logical to see that he will also lose ground in bluer counties.

Except polling indicated he did better with minority voters this time around. In fact, polling indicated the only group he did worse with was white suburban women. His margins among white suburban men stayed even. He did substantially better with African American men. So, no—blue areas, especially minority urban districts, actually should have been tighter than in 2016.

Now you trust polling?

Clearly, even in the reddest of counties in the reddest of states he, for the most part, didn't have the margins he did in 2016. That is just a straight up fact.

Even IF he did better with black, say 12% instead of 8%, he is still getting killed and is losing margins.



For example:

In a city like Memphis:

650,000 people. 63% black population.

Total of Trump/Hilly 324,000 votes in 2016.

Just say 55% of those were cast by blacks.

That is 178,200 votes by blacks.

If Hilly won 92-8, then she won 163,944 to 14,256. Meaning, Trump lost by 149,688 total votes in that demographic.

In 2020, 375,000 votes were cast.

Assuming, again, 55% of the votes were cast by blacks, that is 206,250 total votes cast by blacks.

Let's say Trump increased his black support by an amazing 50% and the split was 88-12 in Biden's favor, that would be 181,500 to 24,750, for a margin of 156,750.

So, as for the second bolded part:

Even IF Trump did better among blacks, the fact that MORE blacks voted caused him to fall even further behind in the vote totals, by 7,062 in this example.

Again, I'm just using logic and basic math.
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(11-18-2020 11:46 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:21 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 10:50 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 08:09 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 07:41 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Just local Republican leaders being obstinate and refusing to accept results which look perfectly legit.

2012 Wayne County - Romney 214K, Obama 595K votes
2016 - Trump 229, Clinton 519
2020 - Trump 264, Biden 587

What looks out of place? Nothing. You really think Detroit would vote big for Trump? Yes, Trump has made inroads there the last 2 election cycles but it's not as if vote totals are out of whack. Trump got 35K more votes from 2016 to 2020, and Biden improved Clinton's total by 68K. That's a lot I suppose but Wayne County has a population of 1.75 million people. We're talking about voting totals that are significantly lower than most other counties in 2020.

Just for comparison, Oakland County is the 2nd largest county in Michigan (about 1.26 million people). In 2016, it was 343 for Clinton and 289 for Trump. In 2020, it was 433 for Biden and 325 for Trump. Way bigger voter increase in the 4 years, and a much, much larger voter turnout percentage. Oakland County might raise a red flag in my eyes, but Wayne County seems well within the expected margins.

I'm curious how many "local Republican" leaders there are since 21 of 22 elected leaders in Wayne County are Democrats from County Executive to County Commission to Sheriff to Clerk, etc. The lone Republican is one commissioner out of 15 county commissioners.

Or go north to Republican run St. Clair County:

2012 - Romney 53.0%, Obama 45.9% (Romney +7.1)
2016 - Trump 62.9%, Clinton 31.5% (Trump +31.4%)
2020 - Trump 64.3%, Biden 34.1% (Trump +30.2)

Or Macomb:

2012- Obama 51.6% Romney 47.6% (Romney -4.0%)
2016 - Trump 53.6%, Clinton 42.1% (Trump +12.5%)
2020 - Trump 53.3%, Biden 45.4% (Trump +7.9)

Trump wasn't doing as well in those counties that have become very Red, so if his margins were falling in his go-to districts (without fraud) it is logical to see that he will also lose ground in bluer counties.

Except polling indicated he did better with minority voters this time around. In fact, polling indicated the only group he did worse with was white suburban women. His margins among white suburban men stayed even. He did substantially better with African American men. So, no—blue areas, especially minority urban districts, actually should have been tighter than in 2016.

Now you trust polling?

Clearly, even in the reddest of counties in the reddest of states he, for the most part, didn't have the margins he did in 2016. That is just a straight up fact.

Even IF he did better with black, say 12% instead of 8%, he is still getting killed and is losing margins.



For example:

In a city like Memphis:

650,000 people. 63% black population.

Total of Trump/Hilly 324,000 votes in 2016.

Just say 55% of those were cast by blacks.

That is 178,200 votes by blacks.

If Hilly won 92-8, then she won 163,944 to 14,256. Meaning, Trump lost by 149,688 total votes in that demographic.

In 2020, 375,000 votes were cast.

Assuming, again, 55% of the votes were cast by blacks, that is 206,250 total votes cast by blacks.

Let's say Trump increased his black support by an amazing 50% and the split was 88-12 in Biden's favor, that would be 181,500 to 24,750, for a margin of 156,750.

So, as for the second bolded part:

Even IF Trump did better among blacks, the fact that MORE blacks voted caused him to fall even further behind in the vote totals, by 7,062 in this example.

Again, I'm just using logic and basic math.

03-lmfao 50% of 100 is less that 50% of 1000.

Sad that has to be explained.
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RE: Significant News Out of Michigan - Wayne County
(11-18-2020 11:54 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:46 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:21 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 10:50 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 08:09 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  I'm curious how many "local Republican" leaders there are since 21 of 22 elected leaders in Wayne County are Democrats from County Executive to County Commission to Sheriff to Clerk, etc. The lone Republican is one commissioner out of 15 county commissioners.

Or go north to Republican run St. Clair County:

2012 - Romney 53.0%, Obama 45.9% (Romney +7.1)
2016 - Trump 62.9%, Clinton 31.5% (Trump +31.4%)
2020 - Trump 64.3%, Biden 34.1% (Trump +30.2)

Or Macomb:

2012- Obama 51.6% Romney 47.6% (Romney -4.0%)
2016 - Trump 53.6%, Clinton 42.1% (Trump +12.5%)
2020 - Trump 53.3%, Biden 45.4% (Trump +7.9)

Trump wasn't doing as well in those counties that have become very Red, so if his margins were falling in his go-to districts (without fraud) it is logical to see that he will also lose ground in bluer counties.

Except polling indicated he did better with minority voters this time around. In fact, polling indicated the only group he did worse with was white suburban women. His margins among white suburban men stayed even. He did substantially better with African American men. So, no—blue areas, especially minority urban districts, actually should have been tighter than in 2016.

Now you trust polling?

Clearly, even in the reddest of counties in the reddest of states he, for the most part, didn't have the margins he did in 2016. That is just a straight up fact.

Even IF he did better with black, say 12% instead of 8%, he is still getting killed and is losing margins.



For example:

In a city like Memphis:

650,000 people. 63% black population.

Total of Trump/Hilly 324,000 votes in 2016.

Just say 55% of those were cast by blacks.

That is 178,200 votes by blacks.

If Hilly won 92-8, then she won 163,944 to 14,256. Meaning, Trump lost by 149,688 total votes in that demographic.

In 2020, 375,000 votes were cast.

Assuming, again, 55% of the votes were cast by blacks, that is 206,250 total votes cast by blacks.

Let's say Trump increased his black support by an amazing 50% and the split was 88-12 in Biden's favor, that would be 181,500 to 24,750, for a margin of 156,750.

So, as for the second bolded part:

Even IF Trump did better among blacks, the fact that MORE blacks voted caused him to fall even further behind in the vote totals, by 7,062 in this example.

Again, I'm just using logic and basic math.

03-lmfao 50% of 100 is less that 50% of 1000.

Sad that has to be explained.

Yeah, got some rocket surgeons on here.
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RE: Significant News Out of Michigan - Wayne County
(11-18-2020 12:11 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:54 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:46 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:21 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 10:50 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Or go north to Republican run St. Clair County:

2012 - Romney 53.0%, Obama 45.9% (Romney +7.1)
2016 - Trump 62.9%, Clinton 31.5% (Trump +31.4%)
2020 - Trump 64.3%, Biden 34.1% (Trump +30.2)

Or Macomb:

2012- Obama 51.6% Romney 47.6% (Romney -4.0%)
2016 - Trump 53.6%, Clinton 42.1% (Trump +12.5%)
2020 - Trump 53.3%, Biden 45.4% (Trump +7.9)

Trump wasn't doing as well in those counties that have become very Red, so if his margins were falling in his go-to districts (without fraud) it is logical to see that he will also lose ground in bluer counties.

Except polling indicated he did better with minority voters this time around. In fact, polling indicated the only group he did worse with was white suburban women. His margins among white suburban men stayed even. He did substantially better with African American men. So, no—blue areas, especially minority urban districts, actually should have been tighter than in 2016.

Now you trust polling?

Clearly, even in the reddest of counties in the reddest of states he, for the most part, didn't have the margins he did in 2016. That is just a straight up fact.

Even IF he did better with black, say 12% instead of 8%, he is still getting killed and is losing margins.



For example:

In a city like Memphis:

650,000 people. 63% black population.

Total of Trump/Hilly 324,000 votes in 2016.

Just say 55% of those were cast by blacks.

That is 178,200 votes by blacks.

If Hilly won 92-8, then she won 163,944 to 14,256. Meaning, Trump lost by 149,688 total votes in that demographic.

In 2020, 375,000 votes were cast.

Assuming, again, 55% of the votes were cast by blacks, that is 206,250 total votes cast by blacks.

Let's say Trump increased his black support by an amazing 50% and the split was 88-12 in Biden's favor, that would be 181,500 to 24,750, for a margin of 156,750.

So, as for the second bolded part:

Even IF Trump did better among blacks, the fact that MORE blacks voted caused him to fall even further behind in the vote totals, by 7,062 in this example.

Again, I'm just using logic and basic math.

03-lmfao 50% of 100 is less that 50% of 1000.

Sad that has to be explained.

Yeah, got some rocket surgeons on here.

Think we could get them to go out to the garage and check their blinker fluid?
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RE: Significant News Out of Michigan - Wayne County
(11-18-2020 11:14 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:13 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  When they don't get what they want, This Dem commissioner does what they all do - charge others they disagree with as being RACIST. So, the Republicans caved.



What a despicable POS.

If the shoe fits...the GOP lackey's were far more despicable. Have you seen the Facebook page of one of them?

Who does a personal background check on an individual over something like this? Seems like someone is searching for something to claim racism over instead of reviewing and agreeing about the data relevant to the vote count. Did the poll workers have Facebook and other methods explored to determine if someone might be able to call them a racist?
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RE: Significant News Out of Michigan - Wayne County
(11-18-2020 11:29 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:21 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:20 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:17 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Awww did I hurt your feelings? If we cant agree, then why don't we 100% canvass and audit the state before certifying the election? I mean, if Biden won the state, then the left shouldn't have anything to worry about right? 07-coffee3

You? 03-lmfao Not a chance. Biden won the state...I have nothing to worry about. I'm not the one flailing around holding onto the last snowflake in hell.

You sure? Because it sounds like I just hurt your feelings, but its alright if I did, because I don't give a damn about your feelings. Might want to get back to work and stop wasting your company's money. 07-coffee3

You sure have a lot of days off lately...did Big Gretch get you laid off?

And worry about yourself skippy...you have no idea how many hours I work or what my job entails and whether I have downtime, etc.

But no, how could you being totally wrong about something you know nothing about hurt MY feelings? The only thing that hurts is my belly from laughing so hard at your pathetic attempts to alter reality.

It. Is. Over.

what else would you like to know about my job? Do you want to know how many PTO days I have left? How about how much I make? Naw, don't ask me that, I don't want to make you jealous. And alter reality? What reality? What is over? Nothing is over until it becomes official. Has the election become official? Or are you saying that there are no lawsuits and states have already certified their elections and the electors have voted? 07-coffee3

03-lol Dude...been here over 22 years...I have more PTO, Sick Days, Volunteer Days and Floating Holidays than I can even take in a year...but you do you.
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RE: Significant News Out of Michigan - Wayne County
(11-18-2020 01:07 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:29 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:21 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 11:20 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You? 03-lmfao Not a chance. Biden won the state...I have nothing to worry about. I'm not the one flailing around holding onto the last snowflake in hell.

You sure? Because it sounds like I just hurt your feelings, but its alright if I did, because I don't give a damn about your feelings. Might want to get back to work and stop wasting your company's money. 07-coffee3

You sure have a lot of days off lately...did Big Gretch get you laid off?

And worry about yourself skippy...you have no idea how many hours I work or what my job entails and whether I have downtime, etc.

But no, how could you being totally wrong about something you know nothing about hurt MY feelings? The only thing that hurts is my belly from laughing so hard at your pathetic attempts to alter reality.

It. Is. Over.

what else would you like to know about my job? Do you want to know how many PTO days I have left? How about how much I make? Naw, don't ask me that, I don't want to make you jealous. And alter reality? What reality? What is over? Nothing is over until it becomes official. Has the election become official? Or are you saying that there are no lawsuits and states have already certified their elections and the electors have voted? 07-coffee3

03-lol Dude...been here over 22 years...I have more PTO, Sick Days, Volunteer Days and Floating Holidays than I can even take in a year...but you do you.

Doesnt seem to align with the fact that you also received your Trump Bucks deposit in the first minutes that they went out.
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RE: Significant News Out of Michigan - Wayne County
Democrats threatening and doxxing election officials: https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/...4700370946
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