(11-18-2020 08:08 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(11-17-2020 10:35 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The problem with some of these Republicans are saying that you if your signiture is off slightly? Your vote do not count. Does not matter if you are Democrat, Republican or Independent if you voted Democrat. Plus, Wayne County is madeup of mostly blacks.

And everyone knows blacks can’t read or write......

Glad I'm not the only one who thought the OP was Uber racist

(11-17-2020 10:35 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The problem with some of these Republicans are saying that you if your signature is off slightly? Your vote do not count. Does not matter if you are Democrat, Republican or Independent if you voted Democrat. Plus, Wayne County is madeup of mostly blacks.

What difference does that make David - please explain? What are you implying?

(11-17-2020 07:41 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Just local Republican leaders being obstinate and refusing to accept results which look perfectly legit.

2012 Wayne County - Romney 214K, Obama 595K votes
2016 - Trump 229, Clinton 519
2020 - Trump 264, Biden 587

What looks out of place? Nothing. You really think Detroit would vote big for Trump? Yes, Trump has made inroads there the last 2 election cycles but it's not as if vote totals are out of whack. Trump got 35K more votes from 2016 to 2020, and Biden improved Clinton's total by 68K. That's a lot I suppose but Wayne County has a population of 1.75 million people. We're talking about voting totals that are significantly lower than most other counties in 2020.

Just for comparison, Oakland County is the 2nd largest county in Michigan (about 1.26 million people). In 2016, it was 343 for Clinton and 289 for Trump. In 2020, it was 433 for Biden and 325 for Trump. Way bigger voter increase in the 4 years, and a much, much larger voter turnout percentage. Oakland County might raise a red flag in my eyes, but Wayne County seems well within the expected margins.

Why would they not certify the votes? Did the county conduct the process according to the law?

What reasons would lead them to NOT certify?

Michigan’s Wayne County certification deadlock leads to unanimous certification after allegations of racism

Quote:Jenna Ellis, a senior legal adviser to the Trump 2020 campaign, told "Fox News @ Night" on Tuesday that the two Republicans on Michigan's Wayne County Board of Canvassers involved in a brief deadlock in the county's election certification process faced threats and allegations of racism before they agreed to certify the ballots.

Their decision to side with their Democrat colleagues was dramatic and viewed by conservatives on social media as a capitulation after a brutal, two-hour public pressure campaign.

Ellis told Shannon Bream, the host of the show, that she received reports that these two board members correctly spotted discrepancies and she said.

(11-18-2020 12:00 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-17-2020 11:33 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(11-17-2020 08:53 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-17-2020 08:43 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-17-2020 08:14 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  So this is the “start the steal” phase of the plan.

lulz.......teh fear!

Yes, having a sitting president start what is effectively a soft coup over Twitter is what I’m afraid of. It’s an attack on the fabric of our democratic process and a national security risk.

Not afraid of counting all the votes like most of the republicans.

Then why are you here all of the sudden. All we want is all allowable votes counted. That sure the fvck isn’t what you and your progressive socialist butt buddies want.

Did I disturb your echo chamber? If you can only discuss your opinion with people that agree with you it’s a good sign you are wrong. Maybe try Parler.

try Parler? Or what? What are you going to do prog filth? dox us and intimidate us like your side did to the Republican canvassers in Wayne County?

(11-18-2020 07:57 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Just to clear up some misinformation here.

Had the county board not changed their vote, it would have went to the state board of canvas, which is also split evenly along party lines, it would not have gone to the republican led legislature.

As was pointed out earlier, the discrepancies were usually less than 5 per precinct...and this is in line with pretty much all elections in the area...and likely in many parts of America.

The pathetic part here is that Livonia, which is 90% white had a higher rate of discrepancy than Detroit, which is 80% black...yet the 2 republicans were just fine with certifying the county other than Detroit.

Bottom line, yes, it's over.

dude, do you even math or do you think everything that republicans do is racist? Population of Livonia is 94k, population of Detroit is 672k...

(11-18-2020 09:28 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 12:00 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-17-2020 11:33 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(11-17-2020 08:53 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-17-2020 08:43 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  lulz.......teh fear!

Yes, having a sitting president start what is effectively a soft coup over Twitter is what I’m afraid of. It’s an attack on the fabric of our democratic process and a national security risk.

Not afraid of counting all the votes like most of the republicans.

Then why are you here all of the sudden. All we want is all allowable votes counted. That sure the fvck isn’t what you and your progressive socialist butt buddies want.

Did I disturb your echo chamber? If you can only discuss your opinion with people that agree with you it’s a good sign you are wrong. Maybe try Parler.

try Parler? Or what? What are you going to do prog filth? dox us and intimidate us like your side did to the Republican canvassers in Wayne County?

I was just suggesting someplace where you can find your echo chamber you are more comfortable in.

I’m not some far left wing democrat. I’m out even a Democrat, I voted in the republican primary and voted a mostly down ballot republican ticket in my state. I’m a just right of center voter that hovers between a moderate republican and a blue dog Democrat. I haven’t left the Republican Party, the Republican Party moved further right out from under me.

I believe in the constitution and that rights are applied to everyone equally. If that makes me progressive filth to you guys so be it, it just makes you wrong.

(11-18-2020 10:10 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 09:28 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 12:00 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-17-2020 11:33 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(11-17-2020 08:53 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Yes, having a sitting president start what is effectively a soft coup over Twitter is what I’m afraid of. It’s an attack on the fabric of our democratic process and a national security risk.

Not afraid of counting all the votes like most of the republicans.

Then why are you here all of the sudden. All we want is all allowable votes counted. That sure the fvck isn’t what you and your progressive socialist butt buddies want.

Did I disturb your echo chamber? If you can only discuss your opinion with people that agree with you it’s a good sign you are wrong. Maybe try Parler.

try Parler? Or what? What are you going to do prog filth? dox us and intimidate us like your side did to the Republican canvassers in Wayne County?

I was just suggesting someplace where you can find your echo chamber you are more comfortable in.

I’m not some far left wing democrat. I’m out even a Democrat, I voted in the republican primary and voted a mostly down ballot republican ticket in my state. I’m a just right of center voter that hovers between a moderate republican and a blue dog Democrat. I haven’t left the Republican Party, the Republican Party moved further right out from under me.

I believe in the constitution and that rights are applied to everyone equally. If that makes me progressive filth to you guys so be it, it just makes you wrong.

making the assumption that us conservatives are not conformable here is very progressive, and for the rest of your comment, I'll take bull**** for $500 please.

(11-18-2020 10:27 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 10:10 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 09:28 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 12:00 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-17-2020 11:33 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Then why are you here all of the sudden. All we want is all allowable votes counted. That sure the fvck isn’t what you and your progressive socialist butt buddies want.

Did I disturb your echo chamber? If you can only discuss your opinion with people that agree with you it’s a good sign you are wrong. Maybe try Parler.

try Parler? Or what? What are you going to do prog filth? dox us and intimidate us like your side did to the Republican canvassers in Wayne County?

I was just suggesting someplace where you can find your echo chamber you are more comfortable in.

I’m not some far left wing democrat. I’m out even a Democrat, I voted in the republican primary and voted a mostly down ballot republican ticket in my state. I’m a just right of center voter that hovers between a moderate republican and a blue dog Democrat. I haven’t left the Republican Party, the Republican Party moved further right out from under me.

I believe in the constitution and that rights are applied to everyone equally. If that makes me progressive filth to you guys so be it, it just makes you wrong.

making the assumption that us conservatives are not conformable here is very progressive, and for the rest of your comment, I'll take bull**** for $500 please.

don't really care what you think, so good for you. Want a cookie?

(11-18-2020 10:10 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 09:28 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 12:00 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-17-2020 11:33 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(11-17-2020 08:53 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Yes, having a sitting president start what is effectively a soft coup over Twitter is what I’m afraid of. It’s an attack on the fabric of our democratic process and a national security risk.

Not afraid of counting all the votes like most of the republicans.

Then why are you here all of the sudden. All we want is all allowable votes counted. That sure the fvck isn’t what you and your progressive socialist butt buddies want.

Did I disturb your echo chamber? If you can only discuss your opinion with people that agree with you it’s a good sign you are wrong. Maybe try Parler.

try Parler? Or what? What are you going to do prog filth? dox us and intimidate us like your side did to the Republican canvassers in Wayne County?

I was just suggesting someplace where you can find your echo chamber you are more comfortable in.

I’m not some far left wing democrat. I’m out even a Democrat, I voted in the republican primary and voted a mostly down ballot republican ticket in my state. I’m a just right of center voter that hovers between a moderate republican and a blue dog Democrat. I haven’t left the Republican Party, the Republican Party moved further right out from under me.

I believe in the constitution and that rights are applied to everyone equally. If that makes me progressive filth to you guys so be it, it just makes you wrong.

This is a lie LOL

(11-18-2020 10:34 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 10:27 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 10:10 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 09:28 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 12:00 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Did I disturb your echo chamber? If you can only discuss your opinion with people that agree with you it’s a good sign you are wrong. Maybe try Parler.

try Parler? Or what? What are you going to do prog filth? dox us and intimidate us like your side did to the Republican canvassers in Wayne County?

I was just suggesting someplace where you can find your echo chamber you are more comfortable in.

I’m not some far left wing democrat. I’m out even a Democrat, I voted in the republican primary and voted a mostly down ballot republican ticket in my state. I’m a just right of center voter that hovers between a moderate republican and a blue dog Democrat. I haven’t left the Republican Party, the Republican Party moved further right out from under me.

I believe in the constitution and that rights are applied to everyone equally. If that makes me progressive filth to you guys so be it, it just makes you wrong.

making the assumption that us conservatives are not conformable here is very progressive, and for the rest of your comment, I'll take bull**** for $500 please.

don't really care what you think, so good for you. Want a cookie?

naw, but I rather have fries with that burger.

(11-17-2020 08:09 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(11-17-2020 07:41 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Just local Republican leaders being obstinate and refusing to accept results which look perfectly legit.

2012 Wayne County - Romney 214K, Obama 595K votes
2016 - Trump 229, Clinton 519
2020 - Trump 264, Biden 587

What looks out of place? Nothing. You really think Detroit would vote big for Trump? Yes, Trump has made inroads there the last 2 election cycles but it's not as if vote totals are out of whack. Trump got 35K more votes from 2016 to 2020, and Biden improved Clinton's total by 68K. That's a lot I suppose but Wayne County has a population of 1.75 million people. We're talking about voting totals that are significantly lower than most other counties in 2020.

Just for comparison, Oakland County is the 2nd largest county in Michigan (about 1.26 million people). In 2016, it was 343 for Clinton and 289 for Trump. In 2020, it was 433 for Biden and 325 for Trump. Way bigger voter increase in the 4 years, and a much, much larger voter turnout percentage. Oakland County might raise a red flag in my eyes, but Wayne County seems well within the expected margins.

I'm curious how many "local Republican" leaders there are since 21 of 22 elected leaders in Wayne County are Democrats from County Executive to County Commission to Sheriff to Clerk, etc. The lone Republican is one commissioner out of 15 county commissioners.

Or go north to Republican run St. Clair County:

2012 - Romney 53.0%, Obama 45.9% (Romney +7.1)
2016 - Trump 62.9%, Clinton 31.5% (Trump +31.4%)
2020 - Trump 64.3%, Biden 34.1% (Trump +30.2)

Or Macomb:

2012- Obama 51.6% Romney 47.6% (Romney -4.0%)
2016 - Trump 53.6%, Clinton 42.1% (Trump +12.5%)
2020 - Trump 53.3%, Biden 45.4% (Trump +7.9)

Trump wasn't doing as well in those counties that have become very Red, so if his margins were falling in his go-to districts (without fraud) it is logical to see that he will also lose ground in bluer counties.

(11-18-2020 10:35 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 10:34 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 10:27 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 10:10 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 09:28 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  try Parler? Or what? What are you going to do prog filth? dox us and intimidate us like your side did to the Republican canvassers in Wayne County?

I was just suggesting someplace where you can find your echo chamber you are more comfortable in.

I’m not some far left wing democrat. I’m out even a Democrat, I voted in the republican primary and voted a mostly down ballot republican ticket in my state. I’m a just right of center voter that hovers between a moderate republican and a blue dog Democrat. I haven’t left the Republican Party, the Republican Party moved further right out from under me.

I believe in the constitution and that rights are applied to everyone equally. If that makes me progressive filth to you guys so be it, it just makes you wrong.

making the assumption that us conservatives are not conformable here is very progressive, and for the rest of your comment, I'll take bull**** for $500 please.

don't really care what you think, so good for you. Want a cookie?

naw, but I rather have fries with that burger.

Skinny little fries like Freddys, regular fries, or seasoned fries?

(11-18-2020 10:10 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 09:28 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 12:00 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-17-2020 11:33 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(11-17-2020 08:53 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Yes, having a sitting president start what is effectively a soft coup over Twitter is what I’m afraid of. It’s an attack on the fabric of our democratic process and a national security risk.

Not afraid of counting all the votes like most of the republicans.

Then why are you here all of the sudden. All we want is all allowable votes counted. That sure the fvck isn’t what you and your progressive socialist butt buddies want.

Did I disturb your echo chamber? If you can only discuss your opinion with people that agree with you it’s a good sign you are wrong. Maybe try Parler.

try Parler? Or what? What are you going to do prog filth? dox us and intimidate us like your side did to the Republican canvassers in Wayne County?

I was just suggesting someplace where you can find your echo chamber you are more comfortable in.

I’m not some far left wing democrat. I’m out even a Democrat, I voted in the republican primary and voted a mostly down ballot republican ticket in my state. I’m a just right of center voter that hovers between a moderate republican and a blue dog Democrat. I haven’t left the Republican Party, the Republican Party moved further right out from under me.

I believe in the constitution and that rights are applied to everyone equally. If that makes me progressive filth to you guys so be it, it just makes you wrong.

The Republican Party has not moved right at all. I would put it about the same place as the JFK dems. With W, McCain, and Romney, the party leaped left and became the big government republicans.

(11-18-2020 09:18 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Michigan’s Wayne County certification deadlock leads to unanimous certification after allegations of racism

Quote:Jenna Ellis, a senior legal adviser to the Trump 2020 campaign, told "Fox News @ Night" on Tuesday that the two Republicans on Michigan's Wayne County Board of Canvassers involved in a brief deadlock in the county's election certification process faced threats and allegations of racism before they agreed to certify the ballots.

Their decision to side with their Democrat colleagues was dramatic and viewed by conservatives on social media as a capitulation after a brutal, two-hour public pressure campaign.

Ellis told Shannon Bream, the host of the show, that she received reports that these two board members correctly spotted discrepancies and she said.

Right, but the discrepancies were higher in Livonia...a 90% white area...and these two had no issue certifying those.

(11-18-2020 11:06 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 09:18 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Michigan’s Wayne County certification deadlock leads to unanimous certification after allegations of racism

Quote:Jenna Ellis, a senior legal adviser to the Trump 2020 campaign, told "Fox News @ Night" on Tuesday that the two Republicans on Michigan's Wayne County Board of Canvassers involved in a brief deadlock in the county's election certification process faced threats and allegations of racism before they agreed to certify the ballots.

Their decision to side with their Democrat colleagues was dramatic and viewed by conservatives on social media as a capitulation after a brutal, two-hour public pressure campaign.

Ellis told Shannon Bream, the host of the show, that she received reports that these two board members correctly spotted discrepancies and she said.

Right, but the discrepancies were higher in Livonia...a 90% white area...and these two had no issue certifying those.

its not all about racism... RWT... stop trying to play the race card. Its getting old...

(11-18-2020 09:33 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 07:57 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Just to clear up some misinformation here.

Had the county board not changed their vote, it would have went to the state board of canvas, which is also split evenly along party lines, it would not have gone to the republican led legislature.

As was pointed out earlier, the discrepancies were usually less than 5 per precinct...and this is in line with pretty much all elections in the area...and likely in many parts of America.

The pathetic part here is that Livonia, which is 90% white had a higher rate of discrepancy than Detroit, which is 80% black...yet the 2 republicans were just fine with certifying the county other than Detroit.

Bottom line, yes, it's over.

dude, do you even math or do you think everything that republicans do is racist? Population of Livonia is 94k, population of Detroit is 672k...

Do you? It was not the total number of discrepancies, it was the percentage. The percentages were higher in Livonia in relation to the number of votes cast.

(11-18-2020 10:52 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 10:35 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 10:34 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 10:27 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 10:10 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  I was just suggesting someplace where you can find your echo chamber you are more comfortable in.

I’m not some far left wing democrat. I’m out even a Democrat, I voted in the republican primary and voted a mostly down ballot republican ticket in my state. I’m a just right of center voter that hovers between a moderate republican and a blue dog Democrat. I haven’t left the Republican Party, the Republican Party moved further right out from under me.

I believe in the constitution and that rights are applied to everyone equally. If that makes me progressive filth to you guys so be it, it just makes you wrong.

making the assumption that us conservatives are not conformable here is very progressive, and for the rest of your comment, I'll take bull**** for $500 please.

don't really care what you think, so good for you. Want a cookie?

naw, but I rather have fries with that burger.

Skinny little fries like Freddys, regular fries, or seasoned fries?

I'm not in on this, but I like Five Guy fries. And I kinda like Wing Stop fries.

(11-18-2020 11:08 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 09:33 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 07:57 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Just to clear up some misinformation here.

Had the county board not changed their vote, it would have went to the state board of canvas, which is also split evenly along party lines, it would not have gone to the republican led legislature.

As was pointed out earlier, the discrepancies were usually less than 5 per precinct...and this is in line with pretty much all elections in the area...and likely in many parts of America.

The pathetic part here is that Livonia, which is 90% white had a higher rate of discrepancy than Detroit, which is 80% black...yet the 2 republicans were just fine with certifying the county other than Detroit.

Bottom line, yes, it's over.

dude, do you even math or do you think everything that republicans do is racist? Population of Livonia is 94k, population of Detroit is 672k...

Do you? It was not the total number of discrepancies, it was the percentage. The percentages were higher in Livonia in relation to the number of votes cast.

14% discrepancy in Detroit will still be more votes than a 100% discrepancy in Livonia...

(11-18-2020 10:52 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 10:10 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 09:28 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 12:00 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-17-2020 11:33 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Then why are you here all of the sudden. All we want is all allowable votes counted. That sure the fvck isn’t what you and your progressive socialist butt buddies want.

Did I disturb your echo chamber? If you can only discuss your opinion with people that agree with you it’s a good sign you are wrong. Maybe try Parler.

try Parler? Or what? What are you going to do prog filth? dox us and intimidate us like your side did to the Republican canvassers in Wayne County?

I was just suggesting someplace where you can find your echo chamber you are more comfortable in.

I’m not some far left wing democrat. I’m out even a Democrat, I voted in the republican primary and voted a mostly down ballot republican ticket in my state. I’m a just right of center voter that hovers between a moderate republican and a blue dog Democrat. I haven’t left the Republican Party, the Republican Party moved further right out from under me.

I believe in the constitution and that rights are applied to everyone equally. If that makes me progressive filth to you guys so be it, it just makes you wrong.

The Republican Party has not moved right at all. I would put it about the same place as the JFK dems. With W, McCain, and Romney, the party leaped left and became the big government republicans.

Unfortunately, the GOP RINOs have moved further and further left.

The party left me.

And that's why I feel bad for the average Joe Democrat -- his party has left him.