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(11-19-2020 03:07 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(11-19-2020 01:46 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 07:02 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Yeah one thing in that post is right we want NOTHING to do with WVU.
The other stuff seems incredibly pie in the sky. Texas and the ACC? No. Nevemind what Deloss Dodds said that ain't happening.

Texas won't make the first move, but IF OU/OSU leave the Big XII (stay with the premise!), the Longhorns' options then become:

1. follow TAMU and OU to the SEC (PR nightmare)
2. joint Big Ten or Pac-12 (besides killing recruiting, those are Fox properties)
3. stay in a weak 8-team Big XII (risk losing "power" status)
4. football independent w/ ACC scheduling agreement (like ND)

If you were running Texas, which would YOU choose?

I would think the SEC would check in to see if Texas wants in before inviting Oklahoma State along with Oklahoma. The only way I see Oklahoma State going in with Oklahoma is if it is clear Texas won't go to the SEC or if it is part of a multiple team invitation where Texas demands Texas Tech and the SEC accepts (which I think could happen). I doubt the SEC will invite Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and then go to Texas and ask them if they want in, they will invite Oklahoma and ask then ask Texas if they want in. If I'm the SEC, I want the two big guns without the baggage. If neither is willing to come without their baggage (Oklahoma State, Texas Tech), I'd have to think about it.

I don't see how FOX is a negative. Big Ten schools don't seem to be hurting right now.

Texas has a standing invite to join the SEC whenever they want. All they have to do is call. Texas has no interest because a) the academics in the SEC are beneath them b) they aren't following anyone....much less Aggie and OU.

Okie State will go where Oklahoma goes thanks to state politics. Nobody gets OU without also getting the Pokes. In this case, that is fine because the SEC is never going to get Texas. Ever.
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(11-19-2020 03:47 PM)YouPeople Wrote:  
(11-19-2020 01:53 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(11-19-2020 01:46 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 07:02 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Yeah one thing in that post is right we want NOTHING to do with WVU.
The other stuff seems incredibly pie in the sky. Texas and the ACC? No. Nevemind what Deloss Dodds said that ain't happening.

Texas won't make the first move, but IF OU/OSU leave the Big XII (stay with the premise!), the Longhorns' options then become:

1. follow TAMU and OU to the SEC (PR nightmare)
2. joint Big Ten or Pac-12 (besides killing recruiting, those are Fox properties)
3. stay in a weak 8-team Big XII (risk losing "power" status)
4. football independent w/ ACC scheduling agreement (like ND)

If you were running Texas, which would YOU choose?

What I would do and what big Tex are two different things. I would go independent, but that is not a Texas thing.

I believe the most logical scenario to play out is the Big 12 carries on. Texas is making money hand over fist and so is Oklahoma. They control that conference and get whatever they want..


OU is not happy in the XII.

If you think Texas going independent isn't their thing....what do you propose they do? They sure as hell aren't going to the SEC and they aren't going to be allowed to keep the LHN should they join the B1G. So the B1G is out.

Being an Indy would only increase their snobbery within the state....which is definitely a Texas thing.

Ultimately, OU will follow Texas orders like they did last time. Texas will paste together the Big 12 and the little 8 will be happy to feed off the leftovers. . Independence is not the future of the sport.

When I approach realignment I tend to want to stay in the what is the easiest type of move. FOr the Big 12 it is staying together. These other plans have so many moving parts that it seems highly unlikely. It is all guess work but I assume the route which will face the least pressure wins out.
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Realizing that Disney has the money bag, there are some things about West Virginia that are unlike the rest of the ACC.

Relative to the nation, and relative to Va, NC, Ga, and Florida, West Virginia is dying. The population in West Va. today is the same as it was in 1950 and the trends are down in total, not just relative to the US. US population in 1970 was 200 million, today it is 330 million. That's a total percentage increase of 61% over 50 years. NC, Georgia, and Florida are growing even faster. New York state has only added 1.3 million total people in 50 years, but they started at 18 million. They can not fill their own university. 50% of the enrollment comes from outside the State. The best thing that could happen to West Virginia is for it be absorbed by Westslyania (Capital Pittsburgh) or Franklin (Capital Bristol TN/VA). Redrawing state lines, no matter how much it might make common sense, is not going to happen. The ACC will not take West Virginia without a multi-billion dollar dowry.
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(11-19-2020 03:54 PM)YouPeople Wrote:  
(11-19-2020 03:07 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(11-19-2020 01:46 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 07:02 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Yeah one thing in that post is right we want NOTHING to do with WVU.
The other stuff seems incredibly pie in the sky. Texas and the ACC? No. Nevemind what Deloss Dodds said that ain't happening.

Texas won't make the first move, but IF OU/OSU leave the Big XII (stay with the premise!), the Longhorns' options then become:

1. follow TAMU and OU to the SEC (PR nightmare)
2. joint Big Ten or Pac-12 (besides killing recruiting, those are Fox properties)
3. stay in a weak 8-team Big XII (risk losing "power" status)
4. football independent w/ ACC scheduling agreement (like ND)

If you were running Texas, which would YOU choose?

I would think the SEC would check in to see if Texas wants in before inviting Oklahoma State along with Oklahoma. The only way I see Oklahoma State going in with Oklahoma is if it is clear Texas won't go to the SEC or if it is part of a multiple team invitation where Texas demands Texas Tech and the SEC accepts (which I think could happen). I doubt the SEC will invite Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and then go to Texas and ask them if they want in, they will invite Oklahoma and ask then ask Texas if they want in. If I'm the SEC, I want the two big guns without the baggage. If neither is willing to come without their baggage (Oklahoma State, Texas Tech), I'd have to think about it.

I don't see how FOX is a negative. Big Ten schools don't seem to be hurting right now.

Texas has a standing invite to join the SEC whenever they want. All they have to do is call. Texas has no interest because a) the academics in the SEC are beneath them b) they aren't following anyone....much less Aggie and OU.

Okie State will go where Oklahoma goes thanks to state politics. Nobody gets OU without also getting the Pokes. In this case, that is fine because the SEC is never going to get Texas. Ever.

Find Texas on the List Below:

Award Summary: Top 50 Institutions FY 2020
Managing Organization: NSF
Funding Organization: NSF
Institution Type: All Groups
Institution (50 max) State or Country Total Research Support Education & Human Resources Major Research Equipment
(Drill to Awards) Amt $k Cnt Amt $k Cnt Amt $k Cnt Amt $k Cnt
Leidos Maryland $231,869 1 $183,593 1 $0 0 $48,276 0
U of Ill Urbana-Champaign Illinois $141,492 158 $135,139 151 $6,353 7 $0 0
UCAR Colorado $138,351 25 $137,580 25 $771 0 $0 0
AURA District of Columbia $127,312 4 $80,963 4 $0 0 $46,350 0
Regents U of Michigan Michigan $120,055 217 $102,987 208 $17,068 9 $0 0
Woods Hole Ocean Inst Massachusetts $117,836 57 $117,836 57 $0 0 $0 0
Cornell University New York $113,315 142 $92,480 138 $1,209 4 $19,626 0
Columbia University New York $111,005 118 $96,657 117 $975 1 $13,374 0
U of Washington Washington $110,898 189 $99,882 176 $11,016 13 $0 0
U of Cal Berkeley California $106,784 132 $69,222 123 $37,562 9 $0 0
U of Colorado Boulder Colorado $106,761 175 $94,560 159 $12,201 16 $0 0
U of Texas Austin Texas $105,535 159 $101,285 151 $4,250 8 $0 0
AUI District of Columbia $102,795 4 $101,608 1 $1,187 3 $0 0
U of Wisconsin Madison Wisconsin $100,786 142 $92,135 131 $8,651 11 $0 0
MIT Massachusetts $95,051 131 $88,623 128 $6,429 3 $0 0
Stanford University California $93,779 102 $86,875 97 $6,904 5 $0 0
Michigan State University Michigan $83,885 112 $78,122 98 $5,763 14 $0 0
PA St U University Park Pennsylvania $81,342 207 $71,905 195 $9,438 12 $0 0
California Inst of Tech California $81,191 47 $81,034 46 $157 1 $0 0
Purdue University Indiana $79,096 143 $74,116 131 $4,979 12 $0 0
U of Minnesota-Twin Cities Minnesota $74,720 121 $73,749 116 $971 5 $0 0
Oregon State University Oregon $72,857 114 $45,750 107 $2,107 6 $25,000 1
University of Chicago Illinois $72,194 103 $64,879 96 $7,315 7 $0 0
U of Cal Los Angeles California $70,333 140 $68,454 135 $1,880 5 $0 0
U of Cal San Diego California $70,073 136 $61,837 126 $8,236 10 $0 0
Georgia Tech Research Corp Georgia $68,498 186 $61,835 178 $6,662 8 $0 0
U of MD, College Park Maryland $67,563 123 $61,627 118 $5,936 5 $0 0
Ohio State University Ohio $67,451 127 $62,890 121 $4,560 6 $0 0
U of Cal Santa Barbara California $66,641 96 $61,212 95 $5,429 1 $0 0
Battelle Memorial Inst Ohio $65,462 3 $65,462 3 $0 0 $0 0
Harvard University Massachusetts $64,057 87 $44,353 83 $19,705 4 $0 0
Princeton University New Jersey $64,010 87 $58,099 86 $5,911 1 $0 0
Arizona State University Arizona $63,196 146 $58,675 136 $4,521 10 $0 0
Carnegie Mellon University Pennsylvania $60,914 132 $56,505 121 $4,409 11 $0 0
Florida State University Florida $60,169 52 $56,242 49 $3,928 3 $0 0
Department of Defense California $58,325 0 $58,325 0 $0 0 $0 0
U of Arizona Arizona $56,430 103 $47,208 93 $9,222 10 $0 0
U of Cal Irvine California $56,377 97 $49,126 90 $7,252 7 $0 0
Indiana University Indiana $54,660 74 $49,845 66 $4,815 8 $0 0
VA Polytechnic Inst & St U Virginia $53,915 99 $49,485 95 $4,430 4 $0 0
North Carolina State U North Carolina $52,640 120 $41,132 107 $11,508 13 $0 0
U of Alaska Fairbanks Alaska $52,457 59 $50,595 55 $1,863 4 $0 0
Northwestern University Illinois $51,682 108 $45,682 103 $6,001 5 $0 0
University of Florida Florida $49,447 118 $44,250 113 $5,198 5 $0 0
U of Pennsylvania Pennsylvania $48,280 69 $41,727 64 $6,553 5 $0 0
Texas A&M Research Fdn Texas $48,000 0 $48,000 0 $0 0 $0 0
Rutgers Univ New Brunswick New Jersey $46,639 119 $39,453 109 $7,186 10 $0 0
U of NC Chapel Hill North Carolina $45,297 63 $40,614 57 $4,683 6 $0 0
U of Cal SD Scripps Inst California $45,056 57 $45,056 57 $0 0 $0 0
U of Cal Davis California $44,703 105 $41,751 97 $2,952 8 $0 0
Reimbursables Excluded. Total includes Academic Research Infrastructure prior to 1998.

Texas has few academic peers - Cal, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Washington. The size of the University plays a role in peerage. All of the ACC schools are half the size of the Big 10 or Pac 12 research giants. That means they are half the size of Texas.

If Texas will tolerate the Undergraduate programs at TT, Baylor, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, and West Va., then Ole Miss, MSU, and Arkansas will not phase them a bit.
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(11-19-2020 06:02 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Find Texas on the List Below:

Award Summary: Top 50 Institutions FY 2020
Managing Organization: NSF
Funding Organization: NSF
Institution Type: All Groups
Institution (50 max) State or Country Total Research Support Education & Human Resources Major Research Equipment
(Drill to Awards) Amt $k Cnt Amt $k Cnt Amt $k Cnt Amt $k Cnt
Leidos Maryland $231,869 1 $183,593 1 $0 0 $48,276 0
U of Ill Urbana-Champaign Illinois $141,492 158 $135,139 151 $6,353 7 $0 0
UCAR Colorado $138,351 25 $137,580 25 $771 0 $0 0
AURA District of Columbia $127,312 4 $80,963 4 $0 0 $46,350 0
Regents U of Michigan Michigan $120,055 217 $102,987 208 $17,068 9 $0 0
Woods Hole Ocean Inst Massachusetts $117,836 57 $117,836 57 $0 0 $0 0
Cornell University New York $113,315 142 $92,480 138 $1,209 4 $19,626 0
Columbia University New York $111,005 118 $96,657 117 $975 1 $13,374 0
U of Washington Washington $110,898 189 $99,882 176 $11,016 13 $0 0
U of Cal Berkeley California $106,784 132 $69,222 123 $37,562 9 $0 0
U of Colorado Boulder Colorado $106,761 175 $94,560 159 $12,201 16 $0 0
U of Texas Austin Texas $105,535 159 $101,285 151 $4,250 8 $0 0
AUI District of Columbia $102,795 4 $101,608 1 $1,187 3 $0 0
U of Wisconsin Madison Wisconsin $100,786 142 $92,135 131 $8,651 11 $0 0
MIT Massachusetts $95,051 131 $88,623 128 $6,429 3 $0 0
Stanford University California $93,779 102 $86,875 97 $6,904 5 $0 0
Michigan State University Michigan $83,885 112 $78,122 98 $5,763 14 $0 0
PA St U University Park Pennsylvania $81,342 207 $71,905 195 $9,438 12 $0 0
California Inst of Tech California $81,191 47 $81,034 46 $157 1 $0 0
Purdue University Indiana $79,096 143 $74,116 131 $4,979 12 $0 0
U of Minnesota-Twin Cities Minnesota $74,720 121 $73,749 116 $971 5 $0 0
Oregon State University Oregon $72,857 114 $45,750 107 $2,107 6 $25,000 1
University of Chicago Illinois $72,194 103 $64,879 96 $7,315 7 $0 0
U of Cal Los Angeles California $70,333 140 $68,454 135 $1,880 5 $0 0
U of Cal San Diego California $70,073 136 $61,837 126 $8,236 10 $0 0
Georgia Tech Research Corp Georgia $68,498 186 $61,835 178 $6,662 8 $0 0
U of MD, College Park Maryland $67,563 123 $61,627 118 $5,936 5 $0 0
Ohio State University Ohio $67,451 127 $62,890 121 $4,560 6 $0 0
U of Cal Santa Barbara California $66,641 96 $61,212 95 $5,429 1 $0 0
Battelle Memorial Inst Ohio $65,462 3 $65,462 3 $0 0 $0 0
Harvard University Massachusetts $64,057 87 $44,353 83 $19,705 4 $0 0
Princeton University New Jersey $64,010 87 $58,099 86 $5,911 1 $0 0
Arizona State University Arizona $63,196 146 $58,675 136 $4,521 10 $0 0
Carnegie Mellon University Pennsylvania $60,914 132 $56,505 121 $4,409 11 $0 0
Florida State University Florida $60,169 52 $56,242 49 $3,928 3 $0 0
Department of Defense California $58,325 0 $58,325 0 $0 0 $0 0
U of Arizona Arizona $56,430 103 $47,208 93 $9,222 10 $0 0
U of Cal Irvine California $56,377 97 $49,126 90 $7,252 7 $0 0
Indiana University Indiana $54,660 74 $49,845 66 $4,815 8 $0 0
VA Polytechnic Inst & St U Virginia $53,915 99 $49,485 95 $4,430 4 $0 0
North Carolina State U North Carolina $52,640 120 $41,132 107 $11,508 13 $0 0
U of Alaska Fairbanks Alaska $52,457 59 $50,595 55 $1,863 4 $0 0
Northwestern University Illinois $51,682 108 $45,682 103 $6,001 5 $0 0
University of Florida Florida $49,447 118 $44,250 113 $5,198 5 $0 0
U of Pennsylvania Pennsylvania $48,280 69 $41,727 64 $6,553 5 $0 0
Texas A&M Research Fdn Texas $48,000 0 $48,000 0 $0 0 $0 0
Rutgers Univ New Brunswick New Jersey $46,639 119 $39,453 109 $7,186 10 $0 0
U of NC Chapel Hill North Carolina $45,297 63 $40,614 57 $4,683 6 $0 0
U of Cal SD Scripps Inst California $45,056 57 $45,056 57 $0 0 $0 0
U of Cal Davis California $44,703 105 $41,751 97 $2,952 8 $0 0
Reimbursables Excluded. Total includes Academic Research Infrastructure prior to 1998.

Texas has few academic peers - Cal, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Washington. The size of the University plays a role in peerage. All of the ACC schools are half the size of the Big 10 or Pac 12 research giants. That means they are half the size of Texas.

If Texas will tolerate the Undergraduate programs at TT, Baylor, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, and West Va., then Ole Miss, MSU, and Arkansas will not phase them a bit.

NSF-sponsored research funding represents less than 7% of the total amount of Federally funded extramural R&D. That's not really a good list for comparisons of anything but NSF-specific awards.
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Paco, would you not agree it's a difference without much of a distinction? NSF us a competitive award. If you lump it all together Cow Colleges and universities with Research medical schools distort - don't they?

Using all of it Texas pops in at 35.

TAMU is 19, UF is 25, UGa is 53, UK is 62, LSU is 88, Mizzou 89, MSU 94

The top 50 in the ACC are:

Duke 8, UNC 11, Pitt 16, GT 24, VT 46, NC State 47

Because of Emory and the Ga Board of Regents, GT has no research med school. VT and NC State do not have one either.

The point I was trying to make is that academically, Texas has few peers at it's size. TAMU, UM, OSU, Wisky, Cal, UCLA, and maybe Washington.

Pitt, Carolina, Duke, GT, VT, and NC State are half the size of the average of the above 7, and while mass is not the same thing as quality, as Stalin once observed quantity at a certain point is its own quality.
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Here is your egghead research Southern Conference -

Texas, TAMU, Vandy, UK, GT, Pitt, Miami, ND
UVa, UNC, VT, Duke, NCSU, WF, Florida

Here is you non-egghead Southern Conference -

TT, OU, Kansas, Mizzou, Ark, MSU Louisville, LSU
Ole Miss, Auburn, Bama, TN, SC, Clemson. West Va
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(11-19-2020 03:54 PM)YouPeople Wrote:  
(11-19-2020 03:07 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(11-19-2020 01:46 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 07:02 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Yeah one thing in that post is right we want NOTHING to do with WVU.
The other stuff seems incredibly pie in the sky. Texas and the ACC? No. Nevemind what Deloss Dodds said that ain't happening.

Texas won't make the first move, but IF OU/OSU leave the Big XII (stay with the premise!), the Longhorns' options then become:

1. follow TAMU and OU to the SEC (PR nightmare)
2. joint Big Ten or Pac-12 (besides killing recruiting, those are Fox properties)
3. stay in a weak 8-team Big XII (risk losing "power" status)
4. football independent w/ ACC scheduling agreement (like ND)

If you were running Texas, which would YOU choose?

I would think the SEC would check in to see if Texas wants in before inviting Oklahoma State along with Oklahoma. The only way I see Oklahoma State going in with Oklahoma is if it is clear Texas won't go to the SEC or if it is part of a multiple team invitation where Texas demands Texas Tech and the SEC accepts (which I think could happen). I doubt the SEC will invite Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and then go to Texas and ask them if they want in, they will invite Oklahoma and ask then ask Texas if they want in. If I'm the SEC, I want the two big guns without the baggage. If neither is willing to come without their baggage (Oklahoma State, Texas Tech), I'd have to think about it.

I don't see how FOX is a negative. Big Ten schools don't seem to be hurting right now.

Texas has a standing invite to join the SEC whenever they want. All they have to do is call. Texas has no interest because a) the academics in the SEC are beneath them b) they aren't following anyone....much less Aggie and OU.

Okie State will go where Oklahoma goes thanks to state politics. Nobody gets OU without also getting the Pokes. In this case, that is fine because the SEC is never going to get Texas. Ever.

If Pac12 doesn’t want OU/OK state combo, there is no way the SEC will want them. The big prize is Texas and Texas only.

I do see the possiblity that the SEC or the BIG makes an early offer to OU to pressure Texas. That will certainly disrupt the Big 12. If the state politics is not a problem, OU would accept the SEC’s offer in a heartbeat. A&M and Missouri are already in the SEC so the transition would be smooth.

The risk from the SEC perspective is to find #16 if OU comes but Texas decides not to come. I don’t think the SEC will take Kansas. Ok state, WVU or TCU will not be able to boost the enough revenue. In this scenario, I think the SEC may give a second look at FSU if seminoles are willing to challenge the GOR.

The BIG probably has a better back up plan. If OU is joining the BIG but Texas is not, Kansas would be the lucky #16.
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I seem to recall WVU having better TV ratings when they were in the Big East.

Truth be told, with the exception of about 10-12 teams who could grab big ratings playing a pee-wee team, who you are playing has a big part in garnering big ratings. If it is WVU vs. Pitt, Virginia Tech, Louisville, Miami, Cincinnati, etc. big ratings in the East, Midwest and South with casual viewers. Nobody gives a crap about WVU v. Baylor or Texas Tech outside of those fan bases.
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(11-20-2020 11:34 AM)Statefan Wrote:  Here is your egghead research Southern Conference -

Texas, TAMU, Vandy, UK, GT, Pitt, Miami, ND
UVa, UNC, VT, Duke, NCSU, WF, Florida

Here is you non-egghead Southern Conference -

TT, OU, Kansas, Mizzou, Ark, MSU Louisville, LSU
Ole Miss, Auburn, Bama, TN, SC, Clemson. West Va

As a former hiring manager for a big three automotive manufacturer in Louisville, I can say with some certainty your list could use some work.

Kentucky engineering graduates I interviewed were generally not very good. One of the best engineers I ever hired was from Auburn. Actually hired a Vandy guy that did quite well.

Looking at your Egg Head list, I would replace UK with just about anyone, (personally I would choose Auburn), and it would be an improvement.

Here in the Bluegrass State, Louisville Speed School grads are more highly sought than UK grads. Mainly because of Co-op programs with GE, UPS, Toyota and Ford, UofL students leave school with more experience.

Toyota in Central Kentucky has helped UK close the gap but they simply don’t have the manufacturing base in Lexington to give students much hands on experience.

The worst engineering grads I ever interviewed were Purdue grads. I finally got to the point where I wouldn’t waste my time talking to them.
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I vacillate between supporting WVU in The ACC and saying screw them let them rot wherever they end up. The crap Louisville fans had to listen to from WVU fans from October 2011 until November 2012 was enough to kill any support UofL fans might have had for their former conference mates.

The last trip Louisville made to Morgantown in 2011, UofL left the cheerleaders at home out of fear of how they would be treated by WVU fans.

With that being said, I see WVU’s value to Pitt, Syracuse, VaTech and BC. I just don’t know if it’s enough to force FSU and the original ACC schools to visit Morgantown.
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The fanbase is their Achilles heel ( minus they are in a small state).
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(11-20-2020 11:03 AM)Statefan Wrote:  Paco, would you not agree it's a difference without much of a distinction? NSF us a competitive award. If you lump it all together Cow Colleges and universities with Research medical schools distort - don't they?

Using all of it Texas pops in at 35.

TAMU is 19, UF is 25, UGa is 53, UK is 62, LSU is 88, Mizzou 89, MSU 94

The top 50 in the ACC are:

Duke 8, UNC 11, Pitt 16, GT 24, VT 46, NC State 47

Because of Emory and the Ga Board of Regents, GT has no research med school. VT and NC State do not have one either.

The point I was trying to make is that academically, Texas has few peers at it's size. TAMU, UM, OSU, Wisky, Cal, UCLA, and maybe Washington.

Pitt, Carolina, Duke, GT, VT, and NC State are half the size of the average of the above 7, and while mass is not the same thing as quality, as Stalin once observed quantity at a certain point is its own quality.

No, I would not agree. NSF-funding is directed only at basic research and educational program support in certain STEMS, heavier in some fields than others, and at that it represents only about a quarter of basic research funding in academia. Can't just look at NIH funding either, or DOD, or USDA, etc.

Size matters not in academia.
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(11-20-2020 06:41 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(11-20-2020 11:34 AM)Statefan Wrote:  Here is your egghead research Southern Conference -

Texas, TAMU, Vandy, UK, GT, Pitt, Miami, ND
UVa, UNC, VT, Duke, NCSU, WF, Florida

Here is you non-egghead Southern Conference -

TT, OU, Kansas, Mizzou, Ark, MSU Louisville, LSU
Ole Miss, Auburn, Bama, TN, SC, Clemson. West Va

As a former hiring manager for a big three automotive manufacturer in Louisville, I can say with some certainty your list could use some work.

Kentucky engineering graduates I interviewed were generally not very good. One of the best engineers I ever hired was from Auburn. Actually hired a Vandy guy that did quite well.

Looking at your Egg Head list, I would replace UK with just about anyone, (personally I would choose Auburn), and it would be an improvement.

Here in the Bluegrass State, Louisville Speed School grads are more highly sought than UK grads. Mainly because of Co-op programs with GE, UPS, Toyota and Ford, UofL students leave school with more experience.

Toyota in Central Kentucky has helped UK close the gap but they simply don’t have the manufacturing base in Lexington to give students much hands on experience.

The worst engineering grads I ever interviewed were Purdue grads. I finally got to the point where I wouldn’t waste my time talking to them.

Interesting, I've also heard a lot of stories lately that are extremely uncomplimentary to Purdue.
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(11-17-2020 06:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  WVU's appeal in the Big East wasn't their own fans tuning in to watch them win, but opposing fans tuning in to watch them lose. WVU was the villain of the Big East.

After Miami left, of course.
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WVU was most likely drawing a larger television fan base when RichRod was putting an exciting product on the field. Besides their diehard WV fan base, they were garnering the attention of general football fans because of their intense offense and dynamic players (Pat White, Steve Slaton, etc).

Taking a less exciting WVU team and facing them off against another program without a national following isn’t a recipe for national interest, unless the teams are ranked and/or have marquee players. I don’t see WVU’s numbers changing much otherwise, their fan base is dedicated and would watch them play Alaska Fairbanks the same they’d watch them play Louisville. TCU on the other hand probably has a smaller dedicated fan base, so taking that one game and illustrating a major point doesn’t make sense. I don’t think anybody claimed WVU to have a national fan base that tunes in every week, but they do have a loyal viewership. Cincinnati, TCU, Baylor, none of these programs people pimp on here have anything close to a national fan base. The only two that do are Texas and Navy.
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(11-21-2020 08:57 AM)esayem Wrote:  WVU was most likely drawing a larger television fan base when RichRod was putting an exciting product on the field. Besides their diehard WV fan base, they were garnering the attention of general football fans because of their intense offense and dynamic players (Pat White, Steve Slaton, etc).

Taking a less exciting WVU team and facing them off against another program without a national following isn’t a recipe for national interest, unless the teams are ranked and/or have marquee players. I don’t see WVU’s numbers changing much otherwise, their fan base is dedicated and would watch them play Alaska Fairbanks the same they’d watch them play Louisville. TCU on the other hand probably has a smaller dedicated fan base, so taking that one game and illustrating a major point doesn’t make sense. I don’t think anybody claimed WVU to have a national fan base that tunes in every week, but they do have a loyal viewership. Cincinnati, TCU, Baylor, none of these programs people pimp on here have anything close to a national fan base. The only two that do are Texas and Navy.

I did list other West Virginia games that drew pathetic ratings as well. The only West Virginia game this season that had a somewhat respectable rating was their game vs. .... Texas.
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My point stands. They’re not a national brand and they’re not having a top 25 season. Ratings are somewhat dependent on how good a team is. This isn’t some foreign concept.
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I personally wouldn't mind them joining. It would give the old Big East teams more rivals.
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The ratings would be better if they were playing Pitt, Syracuse, or Virginia Tech. These are WVU's traditional rivals. Lots of people would tune in for the Backyard Brawl just because they knew it would probably be a good game because of the rivalry. I personally would like Pitt to schedule WVU for its final game every year and join the SEC rivalry games. They are back on our schedule in 2022 for 4 years. I hope we extend the series.

Tradition aside, if we are going to invite a former BE team in for #15, I would prefer Cincinnati. They would bring a large populous state into the footprint, and they already have good rivalries with Pitt, Louisville and Syracuse. Pitt has a home and home coming up with the Bearcats in 2023-24.
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