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(11-18-2020 09:29 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  If Tulane had an ancient rivalry that was always played on a certain date, then I wouldn't want it moved because of COVID. Army/Navy is something that brings normalcy when it is the only game on that date.

Also, college sports is about individuality and not conformance. The NFL already exists for that.

I think this is a freezing cold take.

As he said that date has only been around since 2009. "college sports is about individuality and not conformance" if that is so then why has Tulane lost all of its traditional rivals during the last 30 years and been all in on being in a conference. Why does Texas no longer play Texas A&M.
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(11-18-2020 08:50 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 05:38 PM)Poseidon Wrote:  The Navy-Tulsa game was postponed due to Navy's covid issues. https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...tulsa-game

So Navy/Tulsa can make it up on 12/12 and the Army/Navy game can be moved to 11/28 right. Or are they going to move it to 12/19?

OR does Navy send the middle finger to Tulsa and the AAC to keep their precious 12/12 date not being inconvenienced to simply move their game. Does the Navy sense of duty not extend to the conference they are a part of?
I'd cut Navy some slack on this. Navy-Army is a huge rivalry game. If Navy has to decide between that and the AAC, Navy will pick Army every single time!!!

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I think your proving my point.
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RE: Is Navy choosing the Army/Navy game over conference duties?
(11-18-2020 08:40 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 12:55 AM)Poseidon Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 08:30 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 05:38 PM)Poseidon Wrote:  The Navy-Tulsa game was postponed due to Navy's covid issues. https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...tulsa-game

So Navy/Tulsa can make it up on 12/12 and the Army/Navy game can be moved to 11/28 right. Or are they going to move it to 12/19?

OR does Navy send the middle finger to Tulsa and the AAC to keep their precious 12/12 date not being inconvenienced to simply move their game. Does the Navy sense of duty not extend to the conference they are a part of?

Why the bitter sentiment toward Navy - - or did you just wake up on the wrong side of the bed today?

There's a pandemic, and it's unfortunate that there are schedule conflicts, but I'm sure the conference and Navy will work out an acceptable arrangement.

Even though there are rivalries and all, it seems important to maintain a respectful attitude toward the other schools in the conference, and I will add - - especially Navy!

Navy is the only school that in the AAC that has split loyalties. The Army-Navy game is special. However it being were it is on the schedule is the creation of TV exec's. The game being where it is also prevents Army from joining the conference and bringing in more money for everyone. They could put it on Thanksgiving and make it a tradition there and both teams could be in the AAC, but no they let CBS tell to them and evryone else in the AAC that one game is preferred to a better conference for all. Navy is part of that equation. They could pull Army and possibly USAFA both into the AAC if they tried. Then add BYU or CSU eand you can have two 7 team divisions like the SEC and big ten with all the academies in one divison. It makes sense for everyone except possibly Army who apparently likes playing 2-3 FCS teams a year. That date for that game cost the conference and probably Navy if they weren't being short sided IMO. The CFB playoff will be possibly expanded in the next few years the conference needs to be as strong as it can as be medis wise at that point.

It's not about mot liking Navy. It's about not liking Navys srt up with Army.

Army-Navy moved to the second Saturday of December in 2009. Yes, that was absolutely a made for TV move. And it has paid off for CBS. Annually one of the top ten rated regular season games in all of CFB.
(This year will likely be a splash of cold water in the face - a lot of GOOD games moved to that weekend, and we may drop back to those 2008 numbers - ONLY 2-3 million.)

When the Big East came calling in 2011, Marinatto made concessions to Navy to maintain the status of Army-Navy. The then-BCS-autoqual conference made concessions to Navy to maintain the status of Army-Navy. So we should flip that script now? For pennies on the dollar?

And are you really suggesting that the adherence to the Army-Navy date has kept USAFA, BYU, Army, and others from saying "yes" to AAC expansion? That's...yeah, no.

"Split loyalties"? Well, if it came down to choosing between staying in the AAC and keeping the status of Army Navy...we're probably back to independence. Unhappily, overall - the strategic reasons Navy joined the Big East still apply to Navy being in the AAC and backing "P6" - but...

The Big East in 2011 was in a totally different situation than the AAC now. "That was then this is now."

The AAC needs to expand. The commish has said as much. Army should be a target because outside of BYU they are the best product avaliable. The Army-Navy game in the December stands in the way of overtures there. I don't know where Navy stands on the issue, but the ball is in their court. They can lead on making a change in the date so Army can join. I think it would be reasonable to move it to say Thanksgiving and make it a Thanksgiving day college tradition. Would it do as well as after the season on TV...no but it would do pretty well with no other CFB traditions on that day.

What are your thoughts on Army joining and changing the date?
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(11-18-2020 04:04 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 12:55 AM)Poseidon Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 08:30 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 05:38 PM)Poseidon Wrote:  The Navy-Tulsa game was postponed due to Navy's covid issues. https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...tulsa-game

So Navy/Tulsa can make it up on 12/12 and the Army/Navy game can be moved to 11/28 right. Or are they going to move it to 12/19?

OR does Navy send the middle finger to Tulsa and the AAC to keep their precious 12/12 date not being inconvenienced to simply move their game. Does the Navy sense of duty not extend to the conference they are a part of?

Why the bitter sentiment toward Navy - - or did you just wake up on the wrong side of the bed today?

There's a pandemic, and it's unfortunate that there are schedule conflicts, but I'm sure the conference and Navy will work out an acceptable arrangement.

Even though there are rivalries and all, it seems important to maintain a respectful attitude toward the other schools in the conference, and I will add - - especially Navy!

Navy is the only school that in the AAC that has split loyalties. The Army-Navy game is special. However it being were it is on the schedule is the creation of TV exec's. The game being where it is also prevents Army from joining the conference and bringing in more money for everyone. They could put it on Thanksgiving and make it a tradition there and both teams could be in the AAC, but no they let CBS tell to them and evryone else in the AAC that one game is preferred to a better conference for all. Navy is part of that equation. They could pull Army and possibly USAFA both into the AAC if they tried. Then add BYU or CSU eand you can have two 7 team divisions like the SEC and big ten with all the academies in one divison. It makes sense for everyone except possibly Army who apparently likes playing 2-3 FCS teams a year. That date for that game cost the conference and probably Navy if they weren't being short sided IMO. The CFB playoff will be possibly expanded in the next few years the conference needs to be as strong as it can as be medis wise at that point.

It's not about mot liking Navy. It's about not liking Navys srt up with Army.

oh pisshaw! That's a bunch of malarky!

Like it or not, Navy is NAVY. It's the U.S. Navy, Motherf&*k#r!

Come on, dude! These guys work their @$$e$ off and put their lives on the line to defend our nation and you don't want to cut them a break on their FB teams' scheduling? Yo!

Just quit b*tch*ng abourt the f*cking Navy and play the f*ckin' games, and be done with it, already!

Plus they keep ships clean. Lay off the Navy. They need that week before they face Army. Those cookies ain't gonna bake themselves. Lol
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(11-18-2020 07:54 AM)Rob3338 Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 05:38 PM)Poseidon Wrote:  The Navy-Tulsa game was postponed due to Navy's covid issues. https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...tulsa-game

So Navy/Tulsa can make it up on 12/12 and the Army/Navy game can be moved to 11/28 right. Or are they going to move it to 12/19?

OR does Navy send the middle finger to Tulsa and the AAC to keep their precious 12/12 date not being inconvenienced to simply move their game. Does the Navy sense of duty not extend to the conference they are a part of?

I don't know if this is a poor attempt at being a troll or if you are a genuine *******. However Navy in football is 20 times more important than Tulsa will ever be to this conference. The Army Navy game will always have greater viewership than any game with Tulsa. THAT IS GOOD FOR OUR CONFERENCE.
KMA! there was no need to go there...you're not all that either
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(11-18-2020 04:02 PM)crow4435 Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 07:54 AM)Rob3338 Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 05:38 PM)Poseidon Wrote:  The Navy-Tulsa game was postponed due to Navy's covid issues. https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...tulsa-game

So Navy/Tulsa can make it up on 12/12 and the Army/Navy game can be moved to 11/28 right. Or are they going to move it to 12/19?

OR does Navy send the middle finger to Tulsa and the AAC to keep their precious 12/12 date not being inconvenienced to simply move their game. Does the Navy sense of duty not extend to the conference they are a part of?

I don't know if this is a poor attempt at being a troll or if you are a genuine *******. However Navy in football is 20 times more important than Tulsa will ever be to this conference. The Army Navy game will always have greater viewership than any game with Tulsa. THAT IS GOOD FOR OUR CONFERENCE.
KMA! there was no need to go there...you're not all that either

Especially since he was railing at a Tulane fan.
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(11-18-2020 05:26 PM)Nevadanatural Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 04:02 PM)crow4435 Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 07:54 AM)Rob3338 Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 05:38 PM)Poseidon Wrote:  The Navy-Tulsa game was postponed due to Navy's covid issues. https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...tulsa-game

So Navy/Tulsa can make it up on 12/12 and the Army/Navy game can be moved to 11/28 right. Or are they going to move it to 12/19?

OR does Navy send the middle finger to Tulsa and the AAC to keep their precious 12/12 date not being inconvenienced to simply move their game. Does the Navy sense of duty not extend to the conference they are a part of?

I don't know if this is a poor attempt at being a troll or if you are a genuine *******. However Navy in football is 20 times more important than Tulsa will ever be to this conference. The Army Navy game will always have greater viewership than any game with Tulsa. THAT IS GOOD FOR OUR CONFERENCE.
KMA! there was no need to go there...you're not all that either

Especially since he was railing at a Tulane fan.

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(11-18-2020 01:44 PM)Poseidon Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 01:37 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Navy 1
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You just proved my point. Seriously off base POV. And you have no clue it's so off base.
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(11-18-2020 01:13 PM)Poseidon Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 08:40 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 12:55 AM)Poseidon Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 08:30 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 05:38 PM)Poseidon Wrote:  The Navy-Tulsa game was postponed due to Navy's covid issues. https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...tulsa-game

So Navy/Tulsa can make it up on 12/12 and the Army/Navy game can be moved to 11/28 right. Or are they going to move it to 12/19?

OR does Navy send the middle finger to Tulsa and the AAC to keep their precious 12/12 date not being inconvenienced to simply move their game. Does the Navy sense of duty not extend to the conference they are a part of?

Why the bitter sentiment toward Navy - - or did you just wake up on the wrong side of the bed today?

There's a pandemic, and it's unfortunate that there are schedule conflicts, but I'm sure the conference and Navy will work out an acceptable arrangement.

Even though there are rivalries and all, it seems important to maintain a respectful attitude toward the other schools in the conference, and I will add - - especially Navy!

Navy is the only school that in the AAC that has split loyalties. The Army-Navy game is special. However it being were it is on the schedule is the creation of TV exec's. The game being where it is also prevents Army from joining the conference and bringing in more money for everyone. They could put it on Thanksgiving and make it a tradition there and both teams could be in the AAC, but no they let CBS tell to them and evryone else in the AAC that one game is preferred to a better conference for all. Navy is part of that equation. They could pull Army and possibly USAFA both into the AAC if they tried. Then add BYU or CSU eand you can have two 7 team divisions like the SEC and big ten with all the academies in one divison. It makes sense for everyone except possibly Army who apparently likes playing 2-3 FCS teams a year. That date for that game cost the conference and probably Navy if they weren't being short sided IMO. The CFB playoff will be possibly expanded in the next few years the conference needs to be as strong as it can as be medis wise at that point.

It's not about mot liking Navy. It's about not liking Navys srt up with Army.

Army-Navy moved to the second Saturday of December in 2009. Yes, that was absolutely a made for TV move. And it has paid off for CBS. Annually one of the top ten rated regular season games in all of CFB.
(This year will likely be a splash of cold water in the face - a lot of GOOD games moved to that weekend, and we may drop back to those 2008 numbers - ONLY 2-3 million.)

When the Big East came calling in 2011, Marinatto made concessions to Navy to maintain the status of Army-Navy. The then-BCS-autoqual conference made concessions to Navy to maintain the status of Army-Navy. So we should flip that script now? For pennies on the dollar?

And are you really suggesting that the adherence to the Army-Navy date has kept USAFA, BYU, Army, and others from saying "yes" to AAC expansion? That's...yeah, no.

"Split loyalties"? Well, if it came down to choosing between staying in the AAC and keeping the status of Army Navy...we're probably back to independence. Unhappily, overall - the strategic reasons Navy joined the Big East still apply to Navy being in the AAC and backing "P6" - but...

The Big East in 2011 was in a totally different situation than the AAC now. "That was then this is now."

The AAC needs to expand. The commish has said as much. Army should be a target because outside of BYU they are the best product avaliable. The Army-Navy game in the December stands in the way of overtures there. I don't know where Navy stands on the issue, but the ball is in their court. They can lead on making a change in the date so Army can join. I think it would be reasonable to move it to say Thanksgiving and make it a Thanksgiving day college tradition. Would it do as well as after the season on TV...no but it would do pretty well with no other CFB traditions on that day.

What are your thoughts on Army joining and changing the date?

I would agree that signing Army - - and/or Air Force - - should be a priority, if it's within the realm of possibility. Signing one of them would help to sign the other, and then the FB conference would be uniquely "American" in more ways than one). I would also be willing to give them special considerations, so they could play each other on the dates that best suit them.

If the AAC could have Army, Navy, and Air Force as FB members, that would be really awesome, and it would be great for the three service academies, as well.
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