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(11-21-2020 11:50 PM)cubucks Wrote:  
(11-21-2020 11:42 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(11-21-2020 11:32 PM)wetsu Wrote:  
(11-21-2020 11:28 PM)cubucks Wrote:  Anybody here?

Who you got in OT?

I'm going with Rutgers.
Me too. They are playing with greater passion and energy. Michigan and Penn State are in grave danger of losing their "mystique" ala Nebraska. Teams that once entered every game expecting to win are now experiencing creeping doubt.

Prior to this year, Penn State won 11 games in three of the last four years while winning the conference once and appearing in three (winning two) NY6 bowls. Throw in a Heisman candidate who went second overall in the NFL draft and Penn State is still an elite program no matter how this pandemic altered season finishes. They may be having a bad year but let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Yeah, Neither Penn State or Michigan are at Nebraska level. Recruits alone are separating them from Nebraska right now.
...and Nebraska recruiting is far from bad, but the other two are a lot better.
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Regardless of records, what a fun game tonight!
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I'll cop to being a little over the top but Franklin himself has stated that they are not an elite program yet.
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Perhaps Michigan has found a quarterback?
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(11-21-2020 11:54 PM)wetsu Wrote:  I'll cop to being a little over the top but Franklin himself has stated that they are not an elite program yet.
Franklin should be a little more confident, it rubs off on the team.
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(11-21-2020 11:56 PM)wetsu Wrote:  Perhaps Michigan has found a quarterback?
Yeah, a better looking team with him in there.
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Wolverine's!
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(11-21-2020 11:23 PM)cubucks Wrote:  
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(11-17-2020 11:20 PM)utpotts Wrote:  Take Rutgers and the points. LoL.

Prophetic
Haha!

Nice little pay day for the holidays with Indiana and Rutgers with the points.
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(11-22-2020 12:13 AM)utpotts Wrote:  
(11-21-2020 11:23 PM)cubucks Wrote:  
(11-21-2020 11:21 PM)wetsu Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 11:20 PM)utpotts Wrote:  Take Rutgers and the points. LoL.

Prophetic
Haha!

Nice little pay day for the holidays with Indiana and Rutgers with the points.
Great call!
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(11-22-2020 12:03 AM)cubucks Wrote:  
(11-21-2020 11:56 PM)wetsu Wrote:  Perhaps Michigan has found a quarterback?
Yeah, a better looking team with him in there.

Cade has to be a terrible practice QB.... It’s a night and day difference in their offense, but then again it’s Rutgers
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Who would have thought the bottom three schools in the conference were.... Rutgers, Nebraska and Penn State???
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Another winnable game that we fall short on. Yep, it's 2020, alright.
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(11-22-2020 12:24 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  Another winnable game that we fall short on. Yep, it's 2020, alright.

But you can actually see Rutgers getting better as a football team..... Nebraska on the other hand.....
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(11-21-2020 11:54 PM)wetsu Wrote:  I'll cop to being a little over the top but Franklin himself has stated that they are not an elite program yet.

That Franklin speech of taking the program to the elite level to where Ohio State is the exact thing you want to hear as a player/recruit/fan/supporter. But when you write a check like that, you better back it up and I think that's been a giant weight around his neck that makes every loss turn that statement into a bigger and bigger joke. They went out the following week and lost Michigan State after that speech. They followed that season up with a 9-4 season after 11-3 (Big Ten champs) in 2016 and 11-2 in 2017.

Almost every offseason, Franklin (and/or his agent) goes around looking to get him a raise. I think the fan base is getting tired of the big talk and with no backing it up and constant raises. He hasn't had the same success without Joe Moorhead calling the offense. Franklin is labeled as not an "X's and O's" kind of coach so having coordinators who are less than great really limits the ceiling of the team since Franklin won't make up the slack.

Even Franklin's specialty is his recruiting but that has cratered for 2020 and 2021, though 2022 looks amazing so far but there is plenty of time for that to change (either good or bad). Franklin has missed out on so many top targets the last couple of years. And while you can't get them all, elite programs get a few, especially in-state recruits and legacy recruits. There just is no excuse for missing so many, even if each individually had a good reason not choose PSU.

I guess if I can sum it all up in a TL;DR, I would say Penn State has a B+ coach. If we throw out 2020 due to COVID-19 and breaking in so many new coaches with our best player opting out (among other injuries and conditions), PSU has reached a ceiling with Franklin. He has certainly modernized the program with Bill O'Brien's help after Joe Pa left, but coaching has been a major factor in our losses over the last several years. The recent hazing story that resurfaced this week may be someone's way to encourage him to look elsewhere. He may be exhausted with the high expectations at Happy Valley and may want to go somewhere else where he's more appreciated. I don't know who is going to pay his buyout though. Southern Cal is a popular theory but I doubt their ability to raise enough money for the buyout and a new contract for him. The west coast just doesn't care about football (or even sports) like they did even 10 years ago.
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(11-22-2020 12:22 AM)utpotts Wrote:  Who would have thought the bottom three schools in the conference were.... Rutgers, Nebraska and Penn State???
Yep, do you know about "Championship week" in the BIG this year?

If the season ended today, these would be the matchups for Championship week.

Northwestern vs. Ohio State
Wisconsin vs. Indiana
Maryland vs. Iowa
Michigan vs. Purdue
Michigan State vs. Minnesota
Illinois vs. Rutgers
Penn State vs. Nebraska

Penn State vs. Nebraska is the last place game for championship week. 2020 has been a hell of a year!
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(11-22-2020 09:55 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(11-21-2020 11:54 PM)wetsu Wrote:  I'll cop to being a little over the top but Franklin himself has stated that they are not an elite program yet.

That Franklin speech of taking the program to the elite level to where Ohio State is the exact thing you want to hear as a player/recruit/fan/supporter. But when you write a check like that, you better back it up and I think that's been a giant weight around his neck that makes every loss turn that statement into a bigger and bigger joke. They went out the following week and lost Michigan State after that speech. They followed that season up with a 9-4 season after 11-3 (Big Ten champs) in 2016 and 11-2 in 2017.

Almost every offseason, Franklin (and/or his agent) goes around looking to get him a raise. I think the fan base is getting tired of the big talk and with no backing it up and constant raises. He hasn't had the same success without Joe Moorhead calling the offense. Franklin is labeled as not an "X's and O's" kind of coach so having coordinators who are less than great really limits the ceiling of the team since Franklin won't make up the slack.

Even Franklin's specialty is his recruiting but that has cratered for 2020 and 2021, though 2022 looks amazing so far but there is plenty of time for that to change (either good or bad). Franklin has missed out on so many top targets the last couple of years. And while you can't get them all, elite programs get a few, especially in-state recruits and legacy recruits. There just is no excuse for missing so many, even if each individually had a good reason not choose PSU.

I guess if I can sum it all up in a TL;DR, I would say Penn State has a B+ coach. If we throw out 2020 due to COVID-19 and breaking in so many new coaches with our best player opting out (among other injuries and conditions), PSU has reached a ceiling with Franklin. He has certainly modernized the program with Bill O'Brien's help after Joe Pa left, but coaching has been a major factor in our losses over the last several years. The recent hazing story that resurfaced this week may be someone's way to encourage him to look elsewhere. He may be exhausted with the high expectations at Happy Valley and may want to go somewhere else where he's more appreciated. I don't know who is going to pay his buyout though. Southern Cal is a popular theory but I doubt their ability to raise enough money for the buyout and a new contract for him. The west coast just doesn't care about football (or even sports) like they did even 10 years ago.
To the extent that I understand the Penn State situation (which is certainly not as well as you) I agree with every word you said. I also couldn't agree more with your observation on the state of athletics on the west coast. Times change but I just don't get what has happened out there.
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