(11-17-2020 02:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: (11-17-2020 02:24 PM)umbluegray Wrote: (11-17-2020 12:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: (11-17-2020 11:32 AM)umbluegray Wrote: (11-17-2020 10:59 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: What? Of course the media outlets are claiming NO evidence of voter fraud ... or at the very least claiming no "meaningful" voter fraud. Reality is, ALL voter fraud is meaningful.
https://www.newsweek.com/no-evidence-vot...al-1545747
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGbVCezA8-U
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/trump-b...b0jtdv7F3p
https://www.chicagotribune.com/election-...story.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/us/po...fraud.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/vid...5891525694
First a question for RWT: were you mistaken or intentionally misleading?
Second a comment for ODDBB: Bam!
Bam what?
Your comment was not talking about just this election...at least not the way I read it. It came across as a blanket statement...and one that's been repeated here many times before.
Those links are talking about this election and are specific to certain states they called or they qualify their report with words like "widespread", etc.
So what is your definition of "widespread"?
And BAM by him dropping examples where the MSM is telling the public that there is no [i[evidence[/i] of election fraud.
But I want to make sure I understand where you're coming from: are you saying that there is or is not evidence of election fraud?
Again, your comment was a blanket statement, not just talking about this election, where to this point I have not seen any evidence of voter fraud in this election.
And yes, fraud occurs in every election. Widespread is enough to start effecting results, or at least show a pattern where someone is trying to effect results. A couple people voting twice here and there and others voting in another state where they weren't registered but were registered in another is not widespread.
I consider "voter fraud" and "election fraud" to be two different things.
Voter fraud relates to the individual voter and irregularities committed by him or her. Those irregularities may be intentional or unintentional.
Election fraud relates to an individual or group of individuals who engage in activities which compromise the integrity of the election results.
The word fraud is an ominous term which conveys intentional deceit and criminal actions. Regardless, I use the word to refer to actions which may or may not be malicious.
I don't know if the 2,600 missed votes in GA was intentional or not, but it is still an irregularity which may or may not impact one or more local or statewide races.
The discrepancies found in Clark County in just one commission district have tainted 153,000 votes, the majority of which were more than likely honest and legal. Because of 139 problem ballots (or 0.091% of the total cast), 153,000 votes are rendered null and void.
Though the percentage of discrepancies is small, the impact nullifies the race.
I don't know if one commission district in Clark County, Nevada could be considered "widespread", but that doesn't really matter.
If you look at Nevada and Georgia, are we now approaching "widespread"? What about issues around the nation?
What exactly satisfies the modifier "widespread"?