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Clark County’s elections look like two monkeys trying to **** a football right now.
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Clark County has certified their results from every race except this one. 03-yawn
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RE: Clark County NV
(11-17-2020 12:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 11:32 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 10:59 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 10:44 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 10:30 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Here's my conundrum...

We're told there's NO evidence of voter fraud...

No. No you're not. That's just your RW talking point.

What? Of course the media outlets are claiming NO evidence of voter fraud ... or at the very least claiming no "meaningful" voter fraud. Reality is, ALL voter fraud is meaningful.

https://www.newsweek.com/no-evidence-vot...al-1545747

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGbVCezA8-U

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/trump-b...b0jtdv7F3p

https://www.chicagotribune.com/election-...story.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/us/po...fraud.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/vid...5891525694

First a question for RWT: were you mistaken or intentionally misleading?


Second a comment for ODDBB: Bam!

Bam what?

Your comment was not talking about just this election...at least not the way I read it. It came across as a blanket statement...and one that's been repeated here many times before.

Those links are talking about this election and are specific to certain states they called or they qualify their report with words like "widespread", etc.

So what is your definition of "widespread"?


And BAM by him dropping examples where the MSM is telling the public that there is no [i[evidence[/i] of election fraud.


But I want to make sure I understand where you're coming from: are you saying that there is or is not evidence of election fraud?
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(11-17-2020 02:24 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 12:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 11:32 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 10:59 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 10:44 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  No. No you're not. That's just your RW talking point.

What? Of course the media outlets are claiming NO evidence of voter fraud ... or at the very least claiming no "meaningful" voter fraud. Reality is, ALL voter fraud is meaningful.

https://www.newsweek.com/no-evidence-vot...al-1545747

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGbVCezA8-U

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/trump-b...b0jtdv7F3p

https://www.chicagotribune.com/election-...story.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/us/po...fraud.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/vid...5891525694

First a question for RWT: were you mistaken or intentionally misleading?


Second a comment for ODDBB: Bam!

Bam what?

Your comment was not talking about just this election...at least not the way I read it. It came across as a blanket statement...and one that's been repeated here many times before.

Those links are talking about this election and are specific to certain states they called or they qualify their report with words like "widespread", etc.

So what is your definition of "widespread"?


And BAM by him dropping examples where the MSM is telling the public that there is no [i[evidence[/i] of election fraud.


But I want to make sure I understand where you're coming from: are you saying that there is or is not evidence of election fraud?

Again, your comment was a blanket statement, not just talking about this election, where to this point I have not seen any evidence of voter fraud in this election.

And yes, fraud occurs in every election. Widespread is enough to start effecting results, or at least show a pattern where someone is trying to effect results. A couple people voting twice here and there and others voting in another state where they weren't registered but were registered in another is not widespread.
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(11-17-2020 02:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 02:24 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 12:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 11:32 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 10:59 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  What? Of course the media outlets are claiming NO evidence of voter fraud ... or at the very least claiming no "meaningful" voter fraud. Reality is, ALL voter fraud is meaningful.

https://www.newsweek.com/no-evidence-vot...al-1545747

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGbVCezA8-U

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/trump-b...b0jtdv7F3p

https://www.chicagotribune.com/election-...story.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/us/po...fraud.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/vid...5891525694

First a question for RWT: were you mistaken or intentionally misleading?


Second a comment for ODDBB: Bam!

Bam what?

Your comment was not talking about just this election...at least not the way I read it. It came across as a blanket statement...and one that's been repeated here many times before.

Those links are talking about this election and are specific to certain states they called or they qualify their report with words like "widespread", etc.

So what is your definition of "widespread"?


And BAM by him dropping examples where the MSM is telling the public that there is no [i[evidence[/i] of election fraud.


But I want to make sure I understand where you're coming from: are you saying that there is or is not evidence of election fraud?

Again, your comment was a blanket statement, not just talking about this election, where to this point I have not seen any evidence of voter fraud in this election.

And yes, fraud occurs in every election. Widespread is enough to start effecting results, or at least show a pattern where someone is trying to effect results. A couple people voting twice here and there and others voting in another state where they weren't registered but were registered in another is not widespread.

Then why on earth do it? You don’t know how wide spread it is or isn’t. You’re just giving your smelly opinion. You have far fewer facts on your side that the fraud is ‘not enough’ to effect the election than the right has that the fraud is rampant and systemic in democrat held areas. Biden outperformed Barry in every stronghold of the democrats that were in swing states. BUT HE DID NOT WHERE IT DID NOT MATTER. Such as New York City. We know the vote counting was halted in several of these swing states with Trump way up and trending. We know there were many ballots with a vote only for Biden and no down ballot votes. S Powell has said they have identified over 400,000 of those. These ballots were run through machines and now are impossible to identify with a registered voter. You just don’t want transparency. You liberals also make me laugh with your concerns about the cost of recounts. Just use some of the money you’re taking from the police.
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(11-17-2020 03:15 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 02:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 02:24 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 12:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 11:32 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  First a question for RWT: were you mistaken or intentionally misleading?


Second a comment for ODDBB: Bam!

Bam what?

Your comment was not talking about just this election...at least not the way I read it. It came across as a blanket statement...and one that's been repeated here many times before.

Those links are talking about this election and are specific to certain states they called or they qualify their report with words like "widespread", etc.

So what is your definition of "widespread"?


And BAM by him dropping examples where the MSM is telling the public that there is no [i[evidence[/i] of election fraud.


But I want to make sure I understand where you're coming from: are you saying that there is or is not evidence of election fraud?

Again, your comment was a blanket statement, not just talking about this election, where to this point I have not seen any evidence of voter fraud in this election.

And yes, fraud occurs in every election. Widespread is enough to start effecting results, or at least show a pattern where someone is trying to effect results. A couple people voting twice here and there and others voting in another state where they weren't registered but were registered in another is not widespread.

Then why on earth do it? You don’t know how wide spread it is or isn’t. You’re just giving your smelly opinion. You have far fewer facts on your side that the fraud is ‘not enough’ to effect the election than the right has that the fraud is rampant and systemic in democrat held areas. Biden outperformed Barry in every stronghold of the democrats that were in swing states. BUT HE DID NOT WHERE IT DID NOT MATTER. Such as New York City. We know the vote counting was halted in several of these swing states with Trump way up and trending. We know there were many ballots with a vote only for Biden and no down ballot votes. S Powell has said they have identified over 400,000 of those. These ballots were run through machines and now are impossible to identify with a registered voter. You just don’t want transparency. You liberals also make me laugh with your concerns about the cost of recounts. Just use some of the money you’re taking from the police.

Dude, this is just complete and utter nonsense. Good God.

And your facts are in error as well. trump did better than 2016 in both Philadelphia and Detroit. I would imagine several other big cites show similar results...and I think Phoenix was similar.
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RE: Clark County NV
(11-17-2020 02:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 02:24 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 12:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 11:32 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 10:59 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  What? Of course the media outlets are claiming NO evidence of voter fraud ... or at the very least claiming no "meaningful" voter fraud. Reality is, ALL voter fraud is meaningful.

https://www.newsweek.com/no-evidence-vot...al-1545747

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGbVCezA8-U

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/trump-b...b0jtdv7F3p

https://www.chicagotribune.com/election-...story.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/us/po...fraud.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/vid...5891525694

First a question for RWT: were you mistaken or intentionally misleading?


Second a comment for ODDBB: Bam!

Bam what?

Your comment was not talking about just this election...at least not the way I read it. It came across as a blanket statement...and one that's been repeated here many times before.

Those links are talking about this election and are specific to certain states they called or they qualify their report with words like "widespread", etc.

So what is your definition of "widespread"?


And BAM by him dropping examples where the MSM is telling the public that there is no [i[evidence[/i] of election fraud.


But I want to make sure I understand where you're coming from: are you saying that there is or is not evidence of election fraud?

Again, your comment was a blanket statement, not just talking about this election, where to this point I have not seen any evidence of voter fraud in this election.

And yes, fraud occurs in every election. Widespread is enough to start effecting results, or at least show a pattern where someone is trying to effect results. A couple people voting twice here and there and others voting in another state where they weren't registered but were registered in another is not widespread.

I consider "voter fraud" and "election fraud" to be two different things.

Voter fraud relates to the individual voter and irregularities committed by him or her. Those irregularities may be intentional or unintentional.


Election fraud relates to an individual or group of individuals who engage in activities which compromise the integrity of the election results.


The word fraud is an ominous term which conveys intentional deceit and criminal actions. Regardless, I use the word to refer to actions which may or may not be malicious.

I don't know if the 2,600 missed votes in GA was intentional or not, but it is still an irregularity which may or may not impact one or more local or statewide races.

The discrepancies found in Clark County in just one commission district have tainted 153,000 votes, the majority of which were more than likely honest and legal. Because of 139 problem ballots (or 0.091% of the total cast), 153,000 votes are rendered null and void.

Though the percentage of discrepancies is small, the impact nullifies the race.

I don't know if one commission district in Clark County, Nevada could be considered "widespread", but that doesn't really matter.

If you look at Nevada and Georgia, are we now approaching "widespread"? What about issues around the nation?

What exactly satisfies the modifier "widespread"?
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Eliminating fraud is as important in local races as it is national races. Clark County is learning that the hard way.
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(11-17-2020 03:45 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Eliminating fraud is as important in local races as it is national races. Clark County is learning that the hard way.

One. Race.

With a 10 vote margin.
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(11-17-2020 10:30 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Here's my conundrum...

We're told there's NO evidence of voter fraud, yet here's evidence of voter fraud.

Who to believe!?!?




BTW, I prefer the term "election fraud."

I assume very few voters engaged in fraud; however, I do believe that systemic fraud is embedded in the process and has been for years.

That's a good distinction to make and explains the way I see it as well.

Ol Joe and Dorothy aren't running around forging signatures. But, paid (handsomely) activists and ultra-partisans see what they are doing as "justified" due to the evil opponents- right wing fascists.

IOW's "nazis", so of course you want to defeat a nazi, right?
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(11-17-2020 03:45 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Eliminating fraud is as important in local races as it is national races. Clark County is learning that the hard way.

You're exactly right.

There are some industries/disciplines where it's not a big deal if you get in the ballpark. But there are others where a slight deviation could mean life or death.

If I order a dozen roses for my wife and she notices there are only 11 flowers, it's disappointing, but it's not that big of a deal.

If the aircraft mechanic accidentally causes an oil leak which results in engine failure and the crash of a plane and loss of life, then the repercussions are quite a bit more severe.

Knowing that mistakes happen and that no one is immune, elections should be held to the "life or death" standard rather than the "ball park" standard. If election integrity is compromised then NO ONE can be assured that ANY election is fair.
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(11-17-2020 12:34 PM)fsquid Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 10:26 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Who could have predicted mailing out ballots to every address on the voter role was a terrible idea

well if you actually match up the signatures, its not a bad idea at all.

At a 40% match? Does that work for you?

How about they get that 40% match then immediately throw away the envelope for destruction? Seems a pretty sizable margin there for the 3:30 AM hanky-panky.
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(11-17-2020 12:42 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 12:40 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Remember when the left said purging voter rolls were racist and unnecessary.

No, it's totally necessary...when it's done legitimately and doesn't disenfranchise voters who are legally able to vote.

That never happens. 07-coffee3
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(11-17-2020 03:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 03:45 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Eliminating fraud is as important in local races as it is national races. Clark County is learning that the hard way.

One. Race.

With a 10 vote margin.

How do you know the 10-vote margin is legit?

What if it was really a 1,000 vote margin the other way?

That's the whole point... if the election process is compromised then NO election can be accepted with certainty.
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Hey CommieRed, what time do you punch out of your Trolling gig? Is the city you troll from letting people eat in? How much do you get paid and can I join the company? Where do I go to apply does Soros approve of everyone he employs? Do you even get a lunch break from the trolling and how many sites do you troll on?

Sorry, for all the questions, it just seems like a very cushy job and I want in. Afterall, retirement doesn't pay that much.
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Circular Argument Tommy Paycheck is doubling down in here today.
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(11-17-2020 05:04 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 03:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 03:45 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Eliminating fraud is as important in local races as it is national races. Clark County is learning that the hard way.

One. Race.

With a 10 vote margin.

How do you know the 10-vote margin is legit?

What if it was really a 1,000 vote margin the other way?

That's the whole point... if the election process is compromised then NO election can be accepted with certainty.

Of course Tom is fine with it as long as all the suspicious stuff benefits his favorite party. If it were reversed, he'd be screaming like a little b!tch. We all know that.
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(11-17-2020 05:04 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 03:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 03:45 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Eliminating fraud is as important in local races as it is national races. Clark County is learning that the hard way.

One. Race.

With a 10 vote margin.

How do you know the 10-vote margin is legit?

What if it was really a 1,000 vote margin the other way?

That's the whole point... if the election process is compromised then NO election can be accepted with certainty.

I don't...and neither do they...that's why they did not certify it and are investigating.

In no way does this prove intentional fraud! Nearly every county and precinct has discrepancies in every election. From things like signature issues, provisional ballot issues, registered voter issues, etc.

So when the discrepancies outnumber the margin, you do a deeper dive.
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(11-17-2020 06:13 PM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  Circular Argument Tommy Paycheck is doubling down in here today.

Dude stop, it's just getting sad now.
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(11-17-2020 06:52 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 05:04 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 03:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 03:45 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Eliminating fraud is as important in local races as it is national races. Clark County is learning that the hard way.

One. Race.

With a 10 vote margin.

How do you know the 10-vote margin is legit?

What if it was really a 1,000 vote margin the other way?

That's the whole point... if the election process is compromised then NO election can be accepted with certainty.

Of course Tom is fine with it as long as all the suspicious stuff benefits his favorite party. If it were reversed, he'd be screaming like a little b!tch. We all know that.

What in the actual **** are you babbling about? No, I don't give two ***** about party politics in Nevada! 01-wingedeagle
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