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(11-16-2020 09:04 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
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(11-16-2020 07:35 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Good news for OVC is they have 2 schools who’d say yes in a millisecond:
- WIU
- USI

And another two schools who’d probably still say yes:
- Lipscomb (reunite with Belmont)
- Bellarmine (association with Belmont, nearby conference tournament, no flights necessary now)

WIU probably wouldn't bring its football with, though, and that's what the OVC would want more of. And your other suggestions all lack football.

If WIU wants its other sports in the OVC, it has to bring football with. Football would be the sole reason the OVC invites WIU.

I think it is very likely WIU would accept an OVC invitation, even at the expense of MVFC membership, because they’re barely hanging on in D1 as-is and OVC membership relieves some of the travel expense burden they have in the Summit.

That's fair. It'd bring the MVFC to an even 10 members again, which I suppose they'd appreciate.
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(11-16-2020 09:06 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 08:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Central Arkansas is a surprise. Getting Eastern Kentucky and Jacksonville state isn't a surprise. I could see ETSU, UTC, and Western Carolina joining up to solidify this southern based public FCS.

Kudos to the ASUN. Its nice when midmajor leadership gets creative

They’d be better off not involving Central Arkansas. ASUN without Central Arkansas is more attractive to ETSU, UTC, & WCU than an ASUN with Central Arkansas. UCA just devalues the league to prospective members.

Depends on how you look at it. Central Arkansas ain't too bad for the base of the footprint. May open up a couple of schools out of Louisiana.
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(11-16-2020 03:18 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m not sure what the appeal would be for any of those 3. Are they trying to put together schools interested in being FBS independents or something?

Hmmm

Liberty already there.

EKU had applied to the Sun Belt. JSU has made FBS noise before.

Hadn't heard anything about UCA in that regards UCA is the strangest one - way out of the footprint. At least the other two have a fairly close team already in the A-Sun

That's the one I have trouble wrapping my head around. EKU/JSU wanting to play football with UNA/KSU makes sense. But what's in it for UCA to leave a LA/TX league?


The WAC talk about Abilene Christian, Sam Houston State, SFAU and Lamar going to the WAC. UCA's name came up as a 5th team to be courted. There seems to be smoke about Southland Conference. I know New Orleans, Incarnate Word and Houston Baptist was not schools in the conference wanted. Those schools wanted schools like Tarleton State, West Texas A&&M and the likes.
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(11-16-2020 09:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 03:48 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 03:31 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 03:18 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m not sure what the appeal would be for any of those 3. Are they trying to put together schools interested in being FBS independents or something?

Hmmm

Liberty already there.

EKU had applied to the Sun Belt. JSU has made FBS noise before.

Hadn't heard anything about UCA in that regards UCA is the strangest one - way out of the footprint. At least the other two have a fairly close team already in the A-Sun

That's the one I have trouble wrapping my head around. EKU/JSU wanting to play football with UNA/KSU makes sense. But what's in it for UCA to leave a LA/TX league?


The WAC talk about Abilene Christian, Sam Houston State, SFAU and Lamar going to the WAC. UCA's name came up as a 5th team to be courted. There seems to be smoke about Southland Conference. I know New Orleans, Incarnate Word and Houston Baptist was not schools in the conference wanted. Those schools wanted schools like Tarleton State, West Texas A&&M and the likes.

If they wanted those schools then why didnt they invite them?
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(11-16-2020 11:45 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 09:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 03:48 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 03:31 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 03:18 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m not sure what the appeal would be for any of those 3. Are they trying to put together schools interested in being FBS independents or something?

Hmmm

Liberty already there.

EKU had applied to the Sun Belt. JSU has made FBS noise before.

Hadn't heard anything about UCA in that regards UCA is the strangest one - way out of the footprint. At least the other two have a fairly close team already in the A-Sun

That's the one I have trouble wrapping my head around. EKU/JSU wanting to play football with UNA/KSU makes sense. But what's in it for UCA to leave a LA/TX league?


The WAC talk about Abilene Christian, Sam Houston State, SFAU and Lamar going to the WAC. UCA's name came up as a 5th team to be courted. There seems to be smoke about Southland Conference. I know New Orleans, Incarnate Word and Houston Baptist was not schools in the conference wanted. Those schools wanted schools like Tarleton State, West Texas A&&M and the likes.

If they wanted those schools then why didnt they invite them?

That paragraph he posted is unintelligible. Not sure how you would expect him to answer a question based on some knowledge he thinks he has.
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RE: Honest to God realignment news!
(11-16-2020 11:45 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 09:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 03:48 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 03:31 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 03:18 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m not sure what the appeal would be for any of those 3. Are they trying to put together schools interested in being FBS independents or something?

Hmmm

Liberty already there.

EKU had applied to the Sun Belt. JSU has made FBS noise before.

Hadn't heard anything about UCA in that regards UCA is the strangest one - way out of the footprint. At least the other two have a fairly close team already in the A-Sun

That's the one I have trouble wrapping my head around. EKU/JSU wanting to play football with UNA/KSU makes sense. But what's in it for UCA to leave a LA/TX league?


The WAC talk about Abilene Christian, Sam Houston State, SFAU and Lamar going to the WAC. UCA's name came up as a 5th team to be courted. There seems to be smoke about Southland Conference. I know New Orleans, Incarnate Word and Houston Baptist was not schools in the conference wanted. Those schools wanted schools like Tarleton State, West Texas A&&M and the likes.

If they wanted those schools then why didnt they invite them?


Sam Houston State, SFAU, and Lamar did not want Houston Baptist, Incarnate Word and New Orleans because their facilities suck at the time. Only New Orleans and Houston Baptist still lags behind. Angelo State, West Texas A&M, Midwestern State, Tarleton State, Kingsville and Commerce were not ready. Now, from what from both Tarleton State and West Texas A&M's ADs, the large D2 public are now ready to jump ship from D2. No competition for large 10,000 to 40,000 student body schools playing a 500 student body school. D2 leadership keeps accepting 500 student body schools.
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(11-17-2020 04:54 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 11:45 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 09:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 03:48 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 03:31 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Hmmm

Liberty already there.

EKU had applied to the Sun Belt. JSU has made FBS noise before.

Hadn't heard anything about UCA in that regards UCA is the strangest one - way out of the footprint. At least the other two have a fairly close team already in the A-Sun

That's the one I have trouble wrapping my head around. EKU/JSU wanting to play football with UNA/KSU makes sense. But what's in it for UCA to leave a LA/TX league?


The WAC talk about Abilene Christian, Sam Houston State, SFAU and Lamar going to the WAC. UCA's name came up as a 5th team to be courted. There seems to be smoke about Southland Conference. I know New Orleans, Incarnate Word and Houston Baptist was not schools in the conference wanted. Those schools wanted schools like Tarleton State, West Texas A&&M and the likes.

If they wanted those schools then why didnt they invite them?


Sam Houston State, SFAU, and Lamar did not want Houston Baptist, Incarnate Word and New Orleans because their facilities suck at the time. Only New Orleans and Houston Baptist still lags behind. Angelo State, West Texas A&M, Midwestern State, Tarleton State, Kingsville and Commerce were not ready. Now, from what from both Tarleton State and West Texas A&M's ADs, the large D2 public are now ready to jump ship from D2. No competition for large 10,000 to 40,000 student body schools playing a 500 student body school. D2 leadership keeps accepting 500 student body schools.

So what have those schools done to become ready now? Not much. WT has a shiny new stadium, Tarleton kinda upgraded theirs. Thats it.
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Here’s just a wild idea if the WAC is serious about its own expansion plans too:

WAC fb: Dixie St, Tarleton St, Sam Houston St, Lamar, SF Austin, ACU

Southland fb: Incarnate Word, HBU, SE LA, NW St, Nicholls St, McNeese St

ASUN fb: Robert Morris, UCA, EKU, Jacksonville St, UNA, Kenn St

Big South fb: Monmouth, Hampton, NC A&T, Campbell, G-W, Charl-South

4 FCS conference all at the NCAA minimum for an autobid. I don’t like it but this might be what they are attempting.
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(11-17-2020 02:40 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Here’s just a wild idea if the WAC is serious about its own expansion plans too:

WAC fb: Dixie St, Tarleton St, Sam Houston St, Lamar, SF Austin, ACU

Southland fb: Incarnate Word, HBU, SE LA, NW St, Nicholls St, McNeese St

ASUN fb: Robert Morris, UCA, EKU, Jacksonville St, UNA, Kenn St

Big South fb: Monmouth, Hampton, NC A&T, Campbell, G-W, Charl-South

4 FCS conference all at the NCAA minimum for an autobid. I don’t like it but this might be what they are attempting.

If you’re IWU or HBU, wouldn’t you try like hell to get into the WAC?
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My opinion on what's about to go down.

The ASUN gets UCA, EKU and JSU and the Big South (football) goes with 12.

Later, the ASUN picks up 2 more, and starts FCS football.

The Big South let's Monmouth and RMU find another home. The Big South no longer has a partnership with the ASUN in football. But makes the same deal with the MEAC for football only. The Big South and ASUN help keep the MEAC together. And the ASUN puts together a very strong FCS football conference.
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The Southland stays at 12/10.

The loss of UCA actually helps the Southland as far as scheduling.
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(11-17-2020 03:09 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  My opinion on what's about to go down.

The ASUN gets UCA, EKU and JSU and the Big South (football) goes with 12.

Later, the ASUN picks up 2 more, and starts FCS football.

The Big South let's Monmouth and RMU find another home. The Big South no longer has a partnership with the ASUN in football. But makes the same deal with the MEAC for football only. The Big South and ASUN help keep the MEAC together. And the ASUN puts together a very strong FCS football conference.

Problem is, if the MEAC no longer has football, they're going to have to find two men's team sports to sponsor to remain a Division 1 conference. Football's what's keeping them alive; without it, they're doomed.
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(11-17-2020 03:18 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 03:09 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  My opinion on what's about to go down.

The ASUN gets UCA, EKU and JSU and the Big South (football) goes with 12.

Later, the ASUN picks up 2 more, and starts FCS football.

The Big South let's Monmouth and RMU find another home. The Big South no longer has a partnership with the ASUN in football. But makes the same deal with the MEAC for football only. The Big South and ASUN help keep the MEAC together. And the ASUN puts together a very strong FCS football conference.

Problem is, if the MEAC no longer has football, they're going to have to find two men's team sports to sponsor to remain a Division 1 conference. Football's what's keeping them alive; without it, they're doomed.

Monmouth and RMU to the MEAC as Football affiliates would help stabilize in the short term
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(11-17-2020 03:42 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 03:18 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 03:09 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  My opinion on what's about to go down.

The ASUN gets UCA, EKU and JSU and the Big South (football) goes with 12.

Later, the ASUN picks up 2 more, and starts FCS football.

The Big South let's Monmouth and RMU find another home. The Big South no longer has a partnership with the ASUN in football. But makes the same deal with the MEAC for football only. The Big South and ASUN help keep the MEAC together. And the ASUN puts together a very strong FCS football conference.

Problem is, if the MEAC no longer has football, they're going to have to find two men's team sports to sponsor to remain a Division 1 conference. Football's what's keeping them alive; without it, they're doomed.

Monmouth and RMU to the MEAC as Football affiliates would help stabilize in the short term

Not a bad idea. At least buys time for the MEAC schools to find another home. Only issue is what happens to RMU and Monmouth football after the MEAC dissipates.
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(11-17-2020 03:53 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
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(11-17-2020 03:09 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  My opinion on what's about to go down.

The ASUN gets UCA, EKU and JSU and the Big South (football) goes with 12.

Later, the ASUN picks up 2 more, and starts FCS football.

The Big South let's Monmouth and RMU find another home. The Big South no longer has a partnership with the ASUN in football. But makes the same deal with the MEAC for football only. The Big South and ASUN help keep the MEAC together. And the ASUN puts together a very strong FCS football conference.

Problem is, if the MEAC no longer has football, they're going to have to find two men's team sports to sponsor to remain a Division 1 conference. Football's what's keeping them alive; without it, they're doomed.

Monmouth and RMU to the MEAC as Football affiliates would help stabilize in the short term

Not a bad idea. At least buys time for the MEAC schools to find another home. Only issue is what happens to RMU and Monmouth football after the MEAC dissipates.

I don't know if Monmouth and Robert Morris are going to appreciate having their football programs tossed around as filler.
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(11-17-2020 04:18 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  I don't know if Monmouth and Robert Morris are going to appreciate having their football programs tossed around as filler.

They made their own beds. They knew the repercussions for leaving the all-sports NEC: leaving a stable home for football for the uncertainty of affiliate membership in the Big South.
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(11-17-2020 03:09 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  My opinion on what's about to go down.

The ASUN gets UCA, EKU and JSU and the Big South (football) goes with 12.

Later, the ASUN picks up 2 more, and starts FCS football.

The Big South let's Monmouth and RMU find another home. The Big South no longer has a partnership with the ASUN in football. But makes the same deal with the MEAC for football only. The Big South and ASUN help keep the MEAC together. And the ASUN puts together a very strong FCS football conference.

Problem is, if the MEAC no longer has football, they're going to have to find two men's team sports to sponsor to remain a Division 1 conference. Football's what's keeping them alive; without it, they're doomed.

Monmouth and RMU to the MEAC as Football affiliates would help stabilize in the short term

But can the economically strapped MEAC schools afford the travel to Pittsburgh and NE New Jersey?
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(11-16-2020 08:38 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  Let the record show that Liberty isn't down with any alignment with Scottie Pippen's alma mater which brings them little upside. Florida is ripe for recrutiing Evangelical kids to become students. As a result, you can fully expect Liberty will push for the Florida schools. I could see Liberty swapping with Jakcsonville State in Lion's divisional forecasts.

Have you considered that Liberty is probably bankrolling this? By solidifying the A-Sun, Liberty ensures that it has a stable home for its Olympic sports.

Hard to be a big time athletics program when your conference collapses underneath you and you end up wandering the wilderness looking for another conference. By ensuring a stable A-Sun, Liberty can ensure they can focus all resources on football and the hunt for FBS conference membership.
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(11-17-2020 04:31 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 08:38 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  Let the record show that Liberty isn't down with any alignment with Scottie Pippen's alma mater which brings them little upside. Florida is ripe for recrutiing Evangelical kids to become students. As a result, you can fully expect Liberty will push for the Florida schools. I could see Liberty swapping with Jakcsonville State in Lion's divisional forecasts.

Have you considered that Liberty is probably bankrolling this? By solidifying the A-Sun, Liberty ensures that it has a stable home for its Olympic sports.

Hard to be a big time athletics program when your conference collapses underneath you and you end up wandering the wilderness looking for another conference. By ensuring a stable A-Sun, Liberty can ensure they can focus all resources on football and the hunt for FBS conference membership.

Not a bad theory at all.
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(11-17-2020 04:21 PM)ccd494 Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 04:18 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  I don't know if Monmouth and Robert Morris are going to appreciate having their football programs tossed around as filler.

They made their own beds. They knew the repercussions for leaving the all-sports NEC: leaving a stable home for football for the uncertainty of affiliate membership in the Big South.

Right, but they didn't sign on for the MEAC or A-Sun.
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