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OT: LSU Ignoring Sexual Assault Complaints
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/sports...056388002/

Multiple instances, multiple times ignored. It's not a single occurrence - it's a culture problem. "Officials in the university’s athletic department and broader administration repeatedly have ignored complaints against abusers, denied victims’ requests for protections and subjected them to further harm by known perpetrators."

Another moment where another school gets caught looking slimy and I'm thankful for the top notch coaches and administrators at Cincinnati.

For a few seconds I was in the camp of wanting to make a splash hire and look Rick Pitino's way to replace Cronin.. it's not the way Cincinnati does things and in the end I'm perfectly happy with it.
 
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RE: OT: LSU Ignoring Sexual Assault Complaints
They are about to get the Baylor treatment..


Which means other than the Coach and AD getting canned, nothing will happen. They will probably end up ahead by hiring a better coach and raising a boat load of money from their alums and boosters.
 
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After the ring last year I just can’t see Ogeron getting let go for anything less than shooting someone on the street.
 
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(11-16-2020 10:41 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  After the ring last year I just can’t see Ogeron getting let go for anything less than shooting someone on the street.
When will people be held accountable and lose their jobs. I love football more than the next guy, but you can't ignore rapes and assaults. Rather take an "L" or 2 than support a university that looks the other way. Baylor, Penn State, Michigan State and more...it just baffles me.
 
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RE: OT: LSU Ignoring Sexual Assault Complaints
The problem seems to be that why are colleges allowed to deal with such charges? A charge of assault should be made and dealt with by the same authorities that would deal with the charge if it was a woman next store charging you with assault.
 
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(11-16-2020 12:08 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 10:41 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  After the ring last year I just can’t see Ogeron getting let go for anything less than shooting someone on the street.
When will people be held accountable and lose their jobs. I love football more than the next guy, but you can't ignore rapes and assaults. Rather take an "L" or 2 than support a university that looks the other way. Baylor, Penn State, Michigan State and more...it just baffles me.

Sadly, just like politicians and the stinking rich, there is often a different set of legal standards for the state school money making machine that millions of voters in said state have a rooting interest in.
 
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Yet at each step of the way, LSU officials either doubted the women’s stories, didn’t investigate, or didn’t call the police,

Call 911. Universities are not the police.
 
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RE: OT: LSU Ignoring Sexual Assault Complaints
Part of Orgeron's time at Ole Miss was that his team's had a litany of criminal complaints against them. For instance, his team was banned from their pre-game (home) hotel because the players were routinely stripping the rooms of TV's, coffee makers, and even clock-radios, that they would pawn after the games. And it reportedly wasn't isolated: it was the whole team and Coach Orgeron claimed he couldn't do anything about it. So they went to a different hotel the next season... same result.

It was only a matter of time before crap like this began to surface at LSU. And it will translate to sloppy play on the field as well. And, sadly, that will be what gets him fired.
 
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RE: OT: LSU Ignoring Sexual Assault Complaints
(11-16-2020 09:24 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Yet at each step of the way, LSU officials either doubted the women’s stories, didn’t investigate, or didn’t call the police,

Call 911. Universities are not the police.

While I freely admit that I don't know what it's like to be female or sexually assaulted, but I find it amazing how many of these situations arise.

If somebody violates me, I'm calling the PO-LEESE.

Yet time and time again these things end up in these messy he said/she said situations because for whatever reason, the victims always go to enablers that stiff arm them... and they accept it.
 
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RE: OT: LSU Ignoring Sexual Assault Complaints
(11-16-2020 09:24 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Yet at each step of the way, LSU officials either doubted the women’s stories, didn’t investigate, or didn’t call the police,

Call 911. Universities are not the police.

Read the article. Many of the women did go to campus police and filed police reports.

A technical question: is campus police different from real police? In a city like Cincinnati, yes. In a college town like Tuscaloosa or State College, probably not. I don't know about Baton Rouge. Although Louisiana corruption makes Chicago look quaint, so maybe not.

So perhaps this is a different problem: why has campus security at nearly every college been given police powers over the past 2-3 decades?
 
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RE: OT: LSU Ignoring Sexual Assault Complaints
(11-17-2020 10:04 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 09:24 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Yet at each step of the way, LSU officials either doubted the women’s stories, didn’t investigate, or didn’t call the police,

Call 911. Universities are not the police.

Read the article. Many of the women did go to campus police and filed police reports.

A technical question: is campus police different from real police? In a city like Cincinnati, yes. In a college town like Tuscaloosa or State College, probably not. I don't know about Baton Rouge. Although Louisiana corruption makes Chicago look quaint, so maybe not.

So perhaps this is a different problem: why has campus security at nearly every college been given police powers over the past 2-3 decades?

A lot of them are Police departments with jurisdiction over campus. UC's is. Where UC had trouble in the past is they had an agreement with CPD allowing their department to police areas around campus. I don't believe that is the case anymore.
 
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RE: OT: LSU Ignoring Sexual Assault Complaints
(11-17-2020 10:04 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 09:24 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Yet at each step of the way, LSU officials either doubted the women’s stories, didn’t investigate, or didn’t call the police,

Call 911. Universities are not the police.

Read the article. Many of the women did go to campus police and filed police reports.

A technical question: is campus police different from real police? In a city like Cincinnati, yes. In a college town like Tuscaloosa or State College, probably not. I don't know about Baton Rouge. Although Louisiana corruption makes Chicago look quaint, so maybe not.

So perhaps this is a different problem: why has campus security at nearly every college been given police powers over the past 2-3 decades?

In Tuscaloosa there are separate rings of police that overlap on the edges.

University police.
T Town Police
State Police.

Farther you get out in the concentric rings, the worse it seems to be if you get into trouble. University police will come pick you up and drive you to your dorm if you are loaded and you call them...no questions asked. The State Police have zero sense of humor apparently.
 
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RE: OT: LSU Ignoring Sexual Assault Complaints
(11-17-2020 10:19 AM)bearcatdp Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 10:04 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 09:24 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Yet at each step of the way, LSU officials either doubted the women’s stories, didn’t investigate, or didn’t call the police,

Call 911. Universities are not the police.

Read the article. Many of the women did go to campus police and filed police reports.

A technical question: is campus police different from real police? In a city like Cincinnati, yes. In a college town like Tuscaloosa or State College, probably not. I don't know about Baton Rouge. Although Louisiana corruption makes Chicago look quaint, so maybe not.

So perhaps this is a different problem: why has campus security at nearly every college been given police powers over the past 2-3 decades?

A lot of them are Police departments with jurisdiction over campus. UC's is. Where UC had trouble in the past is they had an agreement with CPD allowing their department to police areas around campus. I don't believe that is the case anymore.

I've never looked into this, but I thought that UC's police department is hired by and funded by the University, and has jurisdiction on campus and in some off-campus areas between UC-owned properties.

City police would have jurisdiction on campus, too, though. Because it's within the city limits. So they both have jurisdiction on campus, but there's less conflict of interest with City police. Is that right?
 
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RE: OT: LSU Ignoring Sexual Assault Complaints
(11-17-2020 12:09 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 10:19 AM)bearcatdp Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 10:04 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 09:24 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Yet at each step of the way, LSU officials either doubted the women’s stories, didn’t investigate, or didn’t call the police,

Call 911. Universities are not the police.

Read the article. Many of the women did go to campus police and filed police reports.

A technical question: is campus police different from real police? In a city like Cincinnati, yes. In a college town like Tuscaloosa or State College, probably not. I don't know about Baton Rouge. Although Louisiana corruption makes Chicago look quaint, so maybe not.

So perhaps this is a different problem: why has campus security at nearly every college been given police powers over the past 2-3 decades?

A lot of them are Police departments with jurisdiction over campus. UC's is. Where UC had trouble in the past is they had an agreement with CPD allowing their department to police areas around campus. I don't believe that is the case anymore.

I've never looked into this, but I thought that UC's police department is hired by and funded by the University, and has jurisdiction on campus and in some off-campus areas between UC-owned properties.

City police would have jurisdiction on campus, too, though. Because it's within the city limits. So they both have jurisdiction on campus, but there's less conflict of interest with City police. Is that right?

When UC was owned by the city, the campus police were Cincinnati police officers. UC was merely another district. When UC became a state school, the officers who wanted to stay at UC became state employees. That is why there is an informal dotted line between campus police and the CPD.

In Ohio, all police officers are paid by their employer (e.g., city, county, etc.). However, all police officers are commissioned by the state. Therefore, they have the power of arrest anywhere in the state.

Cross jurisdictional cooperation is governed by friendly agreements amongst the players.
 
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(11-17-2020 01:33 PM)QSECOFR Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 12:09 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 10:19 AM)bearcatdp Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 10:04 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 09:24 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Yet at each step of the way, LSU officials either doubted the women’s stories, didn’t investigate, or didn’t call the police,

Call 911. Universities are not the police.

Read the article. Many of the women did go to campus police and filed police reports.

A technical question: is campus police different from real police? In a city like Cincinnati, yes. In a college town like Tuscaloosa or State College, probably not. I don't know about Baton Rouge. Although Louisiana corruption makes Chicago look quaint, so maybe not.

So perhaps this is a different problem: why has campus security at nearly every college been given police powers over the past 2-3 decades?

A lot of them are Police departments with jurisdiction over campus. UC's is. Where UC had trouble in the past is they had an agreement with CPD allowing their department to police areas around campus. I don't believe that is the case anymore.

I've never looked into this, but I thought that UC's police department is hired by and funded by the University, and has jurisdiction on campus and in some off-campus areas between UC-owned properties.

City police would have jurisdiction on campus, too, though. Because it's within the city limits. So they both have jurisdiction on campus, but there's less conflict of interest with City police. Is that right?

When UC was owned by the city, the campus police were Cincinnati police officers. UC was merely another district. When UC became a state school, the officers who wanted to stay at UC became state employees. That is why there is an informal dotted line between campus police and the CPD.

In Ohio, all police officers are paid by their employer (e.g., city, county, etc.). However, all police officers are commissioned by the state. Therefore, they have the power of arrest anywhere in the state.

Cross jurisdictional cooperation is governed by friendly agreements amongst the players.

They're state employees... through UC. The News Record reported that the UC Police Department is "mostly funded from the university's general funds," and the security officers "are paid for entirely by University Health Institute."


The chief of Police of the UC police department has a profile on UC's webpage, and is hired/fired by the University.

https://www.uc.edu/about/publicsafety/ab...-team.html
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/20.../31282889/
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/20.../85288730/

The University is split between District 4 and District 5 of the Cincinnati Police Department:

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This is a similar setup that Case Western has (my undergrad alma mater). When I started there in the early 2000s, four police departments had jurisdiction on at least part of campus: Cleveland Police, University Circle Police (funded by local nonprofits, including Case), the 153-officer Cleveland Clinic Police Department, and the city of Cleveland Heights Police (a small sliver of campus is in Cleveland Heights). The University also had its own campus security force, but by the time I graduated that force had become deputized. It now has about 30 police officers.
 
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I think anything beyond a low level misdemeanor should be dealt with by "real police", not campus police. Drunk in public, petty theft, lewdness, parking violation campus cops are OK and punishment by university. Beyond that CPD and the court system should govern.

Better for the accused and accuser. Right to a trial, etc.
 
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RE: OT: LSU Ignoring Sexual Assault Complaints
(11-17-2020 10:04 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 09:24 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Yet at each step of the way, LSU officials either doubted the women’s stories, didn’t investigate, or didn’t call the police,

Call 911. Universities are not the police.

Read the article. Many of the women did go to campus police and filed police reports.

A technical question: is campus police different from real police? In a city like Cincinnati, yes. In a college town like Tuscaloosa or State College, probably not. I don't know about Baton Rouge. Although Louisiana corruption makes Chicago look quaint, so maybe not.

So perhaps this is a different problem: why has campus security at nearly every college been given police powers over the past 2-3 decades?

I lived in Baton Rouge for 36 years, went to law school at LSU and practiced law there for almost 33 years.

LSU Police are "real police" whose jurisdiction is limited to the LSU campus area.

They are their own entity, a separate police force than Baton Rouge Police, the East Baton Rouge Sheriff's Department or Louisiana State Police.

(I defended them in a civil lawsuit a few years ago alleging police brutality. We had to settle because of video cameras showing it and due to the fact that they tried to "arrest" someone off campus where they had no jurisdiction)

This is nothing new. LSU has a history of "taking care" of players and "handling" criminal complaints against them.

For decades, Baton Rouge criminal defense attorney Nathan Fisher (he of the daily flamboyant bow tie) had a lucrative practice of defending LSU athletes in criminal cases.

The LSU athletic office had Nathan on speed dial and called him often.

The charges usually either magically were dropped or pled down to keep the players "eligible".

SOP at LSU.
 
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