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RE: The non-P5 FB teams are surpassing expectations to a greater and greater extent.
(11-23-2020 06:29 PM)Buckminster Fuller Wrote: (11-19-2020 12:19 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (11-19-2020 11:59 AM)colohank Wrote: In this thread, people are confusing the "power" appellation of P5 with prowess on the field, but in reality, it relates only to the networks' perceptions of the ability to draw eyeballs and generate revenue -- haves vs. have-nots. There are a number of G5 teams that consistently outperform P5 counterparts, but they've been relegated by virtue of name, history, academic status, market size and command, the size of their fan-bases, and geographic location. If the P5 and G5 distinctions were suddenly ignored, every team thrown in a hopper, and then reassigned to conferences based on actual performance on the field, the division of power and non-power would be noticeably different.
Excluding its four-year lapse during the Tuberville era, Cincinnati has been consistently good for a decade and a half or more. Is it exceeding expectations by continuing to be good? I don't think so. Do Texas Tech, Kansas, Vanderbilt, Illinois, Wake Forest, Rutgers, Kentucky, Oregon State, Iowa State, Mississippi State, UCLA, Miami (FL), et al consistently excel on the field because they're in P5 conferences? Don't make me laugh. They're affiliated only because they were in the right place at the right time.
Cincinnati and some other G5 schools put a competent and entertaining product on the field, and they consistently excel. That won't go unnoticed.
Some strange teams you included there. Miami and UCLA are in the P5 only because of time and place? Seriously?
And the reputation thing cuts both ways - schools like Kentucky and Texas Tech and Mississippi State are generally thought to be worse on the field than they actually are. In their case, being in Power conferences hurts their perception because they are regarded as lower-rung within their conferences.
For example, in the past 15 seasons, Cincy has won 6 bowl games. But Texas Tech has won 6 as well. Mississippi State has won 7, Kentucky has won 5, all pretty comparable.
Not here to say Wake Forest has "excelled" on the playing field, but, since they were mentioned, I would say they compare favorably as well over the last 15 years. In the last 15 years, Wake Forest has appeared in 8 bowl games, won 5 bowl games and 1 conference championship. Their bowl victories were over UConn (9-3 record prior to game), Navy (8-4), Temple (10-3) (#23), Texas A&M (7-5) and Memphis (8-5). Their losses were to Louisville (11-1) (Orange Bowl), Miss. St. (6-6) and Michigan State (6-6).
Good point, yes, Wake is comparable as well, and they are another good example of what I was talking about. There are some P5 programs whose reputation is worse than their actual performance, because they rarely if ever contend for their conference title, which makes many assume they are doormats in a national sense.
Heck, when it comes to bowl games, it's probably more impressive to win 5 of them as a P5 member than in the G5, as P5 tend to have better bowl tie-ins. E.g., of Cincy's six bowl wins since 2005, the only one against a team with a winning regular season record was back in 2006, vs a 8-4 Western Michigan team. The last five bowl wins have come against teams that had 6-6 regular seasons.
(This post was last modified: 11-24-2020 08:43 AM by quo vadis.)
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