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(11-16-2020 12:31 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  Yea, I can’t imagine Fick would leave for South Carolina type jobs. That is a huge rebuild and it’s not really in his wheel house in terms of recruiting. He really has a better shot at reaching his goals here.

I am concerned about Penn State but I’m hoping Franklin sticks around another year and can turn it around. The problem with that is he is apparently struggling to get the top Pennsylvania players to commit to Penn State, which doesn’t bode well moving forward. It would be nice if he could stick around long enough for the CFP to expand, as that is one less reason Fick would need to leave.

In the end, as long as we can keep either Fick or Freeman I think the momentum continues on its current trajectory.

Franklin just got a new deal in February. In the world of covid and them missing out on 100,000 fans 6 times this season, there is no way they fire him this year even if he goes winless.

From the SI article "If he is fired without cause, Penn State owes Franklin the current year’s guaranteed compensation times the remaining length of the contract." So 5.4 x 5 like 27 million to fire him. Not happening.

Cause can’t be starting 0fer at Penn State?

Sounds like a good cause to me.

(11-16-2020 12:43 PM)skylinecat Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 12:31 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  Yea, I can’t imagine Fick would leave for South Carolina type jobs. That is a huge rebuild and it’s not really in his wheel house in terms of recruiting. He really has a better shot at reaching his goals here.

I am concerned about Penn State but I’m hoping Franklin sticks around another year and can turn it around. The problem with that is he is apparently struggling to get the top Pennsylvania players to commit to Penn State, which doesn’t bode well moving forward. It would be nice if he could stick around long enough for the CFP to expand, as that is one less reason Fick would need to leave.

In the end, as long as we can keep either Fick or Freeman I think the momentum continues on its current trajectory.

Franklin just got a new deal in February. In the world of covid and them missing out on 100,000 fans 6 times this season, there is no way they fire him this year even if he goes winless.

From the SI article "If he is fired without cause, Penn State owes Franklin the current year’s guaranteed compensation times the remaining length of the contract." So 5.4 x 5 like 27 million to fire him. Not happening.

Got a buddy who is a season ticket holder and pretty connected cult member in Happy Valley. We were texting yesterday, and he's dead certain that Franklin will get a pass for this year, but will certainly be on the hot seat next year.

(11-16-2020 12:47 PM)geef Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 12:43 PM)skylinecat Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 12:31 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  Yea, I can’t imagine Fick would leave for South Carolina type jobs. That is a huge rebuild and it’s not really in his wheel house in terms of recruiting. He really has a better shot at reaching his goals here.

I am concerned about Penn State but I’m hoping Franklin sticks around another year and can turn it around. The problem with that is he is apparently struggling to get the top Pennsylvania players to commit to Penn State, which doesn’t bode well moving forward. It would be nice if he could stick around long enough for the CFP to expand, as that is one less reason Fick would need to leave.

In the end, as long as we can keep either Fick or Freeman I think the momentum continues on its current trajectory.

Franklin just got a new deal in February. In the world of covid and them missing out on 100,000 fans 6 times this season, there is no way they fire him this year even if he goes winless.

From the SI article "If he is fired without cause, Penn State owes Franklin the current year’s guaranteed compensation times the remaining length of the contract." So 5.4 x 5 like 27 million to fire him. Not happening.

Got a buddy who is a season ticket holder and pretty connected cult member in Happy Valley. We were texting yesterday, and he's dead certain that Franklin will get a pass for this year, but will certainly be on the hot seat next year.

Makes sense to me. I just don't see how they could financially do it given the circumstances but the donors at those schools can make magic happen. Honestly, I think it'd be completely stupid to fire him anyways. They've been the second best team in the big 10 East since he's been there besides this season. I think he's a pretty good coach.

(11-16-2020 12:43 PM)skylinecat Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 12:31 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  Yea, I can’t imagine Fick would leave for South Carolina type jobs. That is a huge rebuild and it’s not really in his wheel house in terms of recruiting. He really has a better shot at reaching his goals here.

I am concerned about Penn State but I’m hoping Franklin sticks around another year and can turn it around. The problem with that is he is apparently struggling to get the top Pennsylvania players to commit to Penn State, which doesn’t bode well moving forward. It would be nice if he could stick around long enough for the CFP to expand, as that is one less reason Fick would need to leave.

In the end, as long as we can keep either Fick or Freeman I think the momentum continues on its current trajectory.

Franklin just got a new deal in February. In the world of covid and them missing out on 100,000 fans 6 times this season, there is no way they fire him this year even if he goes winless.

From the SI article "If he is fired without cause, Penn State owes Franklin the current year’s guaranteed compensation times the remaining length of the contract." So 5.4 x 5 like 27 million to fire him. Not happening.

I think it’s likely he gets another year based on a lot of different reasons, but I don’t think it’s a guarantee. Once you start losing strange things tend to happen. Let’s hope it doesn’t snowball and get out of hand.

(11-16-2020 12:22 PM)Lush Wrote:  the only way you don't hire freeman on the spot is if you can get harbaugh. it's the ultimate redemption story. upend big state while doing so at big state's second biggest rival

You're a glutton for punishment, aren't you?

That's a whole 'nother round of Tuberville. If Harbaugh ever happens at UC, I'm officially done as a Bearcat fan.

(11-16-2020 12:47 PM)geef Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 12:43 PM)skylinecat Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 12:31 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  Yea, I can’t imagine Fick would leave for South Carolina type jobs. That is a huge rebuild and it’s not really in his wheel house in terms of recruiting. He really has a better shot at reaching his goals here.

I am concerned about Penn State but I’m hoping Franklin sticks around another year and can turn it around. The problem with that is he is apparently struggling to get the top Pennsylvania players to commit to Penn State, which doesn’t bode well moving forward. It would be nice if he could stick around long enough for the CFP to expand, as that is one less reason Fick would need to leave.

In the end, as long as we can keep either Fick or Freeman I think the momentum continues on its current trajectory.

Franklin just got a new deal in February. In the world of covid and them missing out on 100,000 fans 6 times this season, there is no way they fire him this year even if he goes winless.

From the SI article "If he is fired without cause, Penn State owes Franklin the current year’s guaranteed compensation times the remaining length of the contract." So 5.4 x 5 like 27 million to fire him. Not happening.

Got a buddy who is a season ticket holder and pretty connected cult member in Happy Valley. We were texting yesterday, and he's dead certain that Franklin will get a pass for this year, but will certainly be on the hot seat next year.

^^^^
This.

(11-16-2020 12:54 PM)skylinecat Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 12:47 PM)geef Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 12:43 PM)skylinecat Wrote:  Franklin just got a new deal in February. In the world of covid and them missing out on 100,000 fans 6 times this season, there is no way they fire him this year even if he goes winless.

From the SI article "If he is fired without cause, Penn State owes Franklin the current year’s guaranteed compensation times the remaining length of the contract." So 5.4 x 5 like 27 million to fire him. Not happening.

Got a buddy who is a season ticket holder and pretty connected cult member in Happy Valley. We were texting yesterday, and he's dead certain that Franklin will get a pass for this year, but will certainly be on the hot seat next year.

Makes sense to me. I just don't see how they could financially do it given the circumstances but the donors at those schools can make magic happen. Honestly, I think it'd be completely stupid to fire him anyways. They've been the second best team in the big 10 East since he's been there besides this season. I think he's a pretty good coach.

Some coaches have been on the "hot seat" for years. I don't follow Penn State/B1G enough to know what the reasons are for the downfall this season but look at what Franklin's done since taking the helm after O'Brien...

2014 7-6
2015 7-6
2016 11-3
2017 11-2
2018 9-4
2019 11-2

That's winning at a pretty good clip with Ohio State, Michigan and Michigan State in your division. He's also 3-3 in bowls including a Fiesta and Cotton Bowl win. I think it will take several crap years in a row to fire him also taking into consideration the finanical ramifications of his current contract.

(11-16-2020 10:16 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 12:54 PM)skylinecat Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 12:47 PM)geef Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 12:43 PM)skylinecat Wrote:  Franklin just got a new deal in February. In the world of covid and them missing out on 100,000 fans 6 times this season, there is no way they fire him this year even if he goes winless.

From the SI article "If he is fired without cause, Penn State owes Franklin the current year’s guaranteed compensation times the remaining length of the contract." So 5.4 x 5 like 27 million to fire him. Not happening.

Got a buddy who is a season ticket holder and pretty connected cult member in Happy Valley. We were texting yesterday, and he's dead certain that Franklin will get a pass for this year, but will certainly be on the hot seat next year.

Makes sense to me. I just don't see how they could financially do it given the circumstances but the donors at those schools can make magic happen. Honestly, I think it'd be completely stupid to fire him anyways. They've been the second best team in the big 10 East since he's been there besides this season. I think he's a pretty good coach.

Some coaches have been on the "hot seat" for years. I don't follow Penn State/B1G enough to know what the reasons are for the downfall this season but look at what Franklin's done since taking the helm after O'Brien...

2014 7-6
2015 7-6
2016 11-3
2017 11-2
2018 9-4
2019 11-2

That's winning at a pretty good clip with Ohio State, Michigan and Michigan State in your division. He's also 3-3 in bowls including a Fiesta and Cotton Bowl win. I think it will take several crap years in a row to fire him also taking into consideration the finanical ramifications of his current contract.

Super impressive. He took Vandy to 3 straight bowl games.

(11-16-2020 10:16 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 12:54 PM)skylinecat Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 12:47 PM)geef Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 12:43 PM)skylinecat Wrote:  Franklin just got a new deal in February. In the world of covid and them missing out on 100,000 fans 6 times this season, there is no way they fire him this year even if he goes winless.

From the SI article "If he is fired without cause, Penn State owes Franklin the current year’s guaranteed compensation times the remaining length of the contract." So 5.4 x 5 like 27 million to fire him. Not happening.

Got a buddy who is a season ticket holder and pretty connected cult member in Happy Valley. We were texting yesterday, and he's dead certain that Franklin will get a pass for this year, but will certainly be on the hot seat next year.

Makes sense to me. I just don't see how they could financially do it given the circumstances but the donors at those schools can make magic happen. Honestly, I think it'd be completely stupid to fire him anyways. They've been the second best team in the big 10 East since he's been there besides this season. I think he's a pretty good coach.

Some coaches have been on the "hot seat" for years. I don't follow Penn State/B1G enough to know what the reasons are for the downfall this season but look at what Franklin's done since taking the helm after O'Brien...

2014 7-6
2015 7-6
2016 11-3
2017 11-2
2018 9-4
2019 11-2

That's winning at a pretty good clip with Ohio State, Michigan and Michigan State in your division. He's also 3-3 in bowls including a Fiesta and Cotton Bowl win. I think it will take several crap years in a row to fire him also taking into consideration the finanical ramifications of his current contract.

They lost their starting RB in Journey Brown and best player and potential Top 5 pick Micah Parsons before the season as opt-outs, Brown has since been forced to retire after a cardio issue came up. Relying too much on Sean Clifford is causing a lot of the offensive issues, and defensively it's incredibly difficult to replace that level of production from Parsons (leading tackler in each of the two seasons he played as a freshman and sophomore in '18 and '19), though clearly it was not just 1/11that has caused the decline there.

Should've beaten Indiana and they had shots in Goal-to-Go against Nebraska to tie...so they're honestly a couple inches from 2-2.

The general feeling in Pennsylvania, right now, is that this season is a result of the off-again/on-again Big Ten policy towards the season, which disrupted fall preparation and training, the Covid situation, which has disrupted the roster, and a failure at QB, which has forced a change now mid-season.

Yes, the Penn State faithful are unhappy, but nobody is really beating any war-drums...yet.

(11-17-2020 03:25 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  The general feeling in Pennsylvania, right now, is that this season is a result of the off-again/on-again Big Ten policy towards the season, which disrupted fall preparation and training, the Covid situation, which has disrupted the roster, and a failure at QB, which has forced a change now mid-season.

Yes, the Penn State faithful are unhappy, but nobody is really beating any war-drums...yet.

Let’s just hope they can get a win or two soon. The longer they go without winning the more likely the wheels fall off and he loses the team. At that point all bets are off.

(11-16-2020 12:22 PM)Lush Wrote:  the only way you don't hire freeman on the spot is if you can get harbaugh. it's the ultimate redemption story. upend big state while doing so at big state's second biggest rival

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are joking on this one.

Call me crazy but Fickell already has 2 national championship rings and the only harder thing to accomplish than that would be taking a G5 team to the playoffs, it's suppose to be impossible and that would make him a Legend, but my cup just might be half full all the time.

I've always felt that PSU was the one B1G school (other than OSU) that could lure CLF away. Maybe PSU could follow the recent trend of bringing coaches back and re-hire Bill O'Brien?

Franklin isn't getting fired from Penn State. His buyout is ridiculous.

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/psu/...mpensation

Quote:If Franklin is terminated without cause, the head coach will be owed his guaranteed money for that year, plus the $1 million life insurance loan, multiplied by the remaining years on Franklin’s deal. So, for this year, Franklin would be owed $38.4 million.

The article was written in February 2020. He gets an automatic $250k raise each year. Doing the math, his buyout is:
33.25 million after this season
27.6 million after 2021 season
21.45 million after the 2022 season
14.8 million after the 2023 season
7.65 million after the 2024 season

Not to mention what the Sandusky settlement cost them.

(11-17-2020 12:42 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  I've always felt that PSU was the one B1G school (other than OSU) that could lure CLF away. Maybe PSU could follow the recent trend of bringing coaches back and re-hire Bill O'Brien?

Fear a location that has good Catholic Schools. State College does not. Ann Arbor does but no OSU guy could accept or be accepted. Oklahoma there are good Catholic schools in OK City, which is 40 miles from Norman. That said, I repeat CLF has a 10 year plan at UC which will only be interrupted if OSU or ND calls.

(11-17-2020 06:17 PM)doss2 Wrote:  

(11-17-2020 12:42 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  I've always felt that PSU was the one B1G school (other than OSU) that could lure CLF away. Maybe PSU could follow the recent trend of bringing coaches back and re-hire Bill O'Brien?

Fear a location that has good Catholic Schools. College Station does not. Ann Arbor does but no OSU guy could accept or be accepted. Oklahoma there are good Catholic schools in OK City, which is 40 miles from Norman. That said, I repeat CLF has a 10 year plan at UC which will only be interrupted if OSU or ND calls.

I agree Diamond Doss. There's way too much hand wringing. We finally get a coach to stay past Year Three, sign a long term deal, and folks spend more time worrying about what program he's going to leave us for. Just enjoy the ride. Sheesh!

How many times does CLF have to say he's not looking to go anywhere before people stop predicting program suicide every year the team wins more than 8 games.