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(11-15-2020 08:34 PM)MOTIAW Wrote:  I really think Freeze’s second extension (signed just this past week) takes him outta play for a year or two. Would be HUGE money to buy out now. He was at $2 mil/year till ‘23, now (no official numbers released) I believe it’s till ‘25 and rumored to have brought the average up to 3$ mil/yr+.

That’s $15 mil in salary, what would the buyout be? Big enough is the answer, imo. Off market for two years.

Dude that's pocket change in the SEC.
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(11-16-2020 12:35 PM)iStoopify Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 12:30 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 12:12 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 11:54 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 11:46 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  I don't even believe the MSU. I'm sure the links provided will be full of ambiguity and innuendo that are just code for I interviewed but they ultimately went in a different direction. I mean, as good as Napier has been, what SEC school is taking him over Leach?

Why would Napier risk a guaranteed $16 MM angling for a "shortlist" setup. He has a lot of momentum now, but what if the wheels fall off and he has to start over? If he loses momentum he might end up back as an OC in the SEC or worse, HC at Furman. which wouldn't be the end of the world, hes certainly young enough to recover, but what logical person turns down the guaranteed $16 MM.

you really could search for this on your own, instead of throwing out uniformed personal guesses.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/missis...-down-job/

https://www.si.com/college/2020/10/12/lo...lly-napier

Brett Mcmurphy is well respected, so maybe this is true. However, i find it interesting that the SI article doesn't metnion him turning down Miss St, only that Baylor having issues was a "turnoff".

the only point i and other Louisiana fans am making is that Napier was never about only looking for a big payday and jumping on first chance because of it. his actions prove it. Ole Miss had interest and if he only wanted the money he would have interviewed regardless of his game. he doesnt remove his name from MSU if he only about the money. Its widely known he has a short list, he will leave one day, could be this year, but it is/was never going to be just because they can quadruple his salary. At the same time, When the day comes and he leave he will get a big raise in his salary, thats a given.

Is this what App fans sounded like when we were sure Satterfield didn’t want more money?

Isnt Billy a jimmy sexton client? There’s one reason you hire Sexton. And that’s to get the bag.

you can hold onto your opinions, Louisiana fans have the poof of past experience to show for theirs. As for sexton, you maybe right about getting the bag. However you should think about it this way, the coaching industry is small and lots of people know the hot seats before they happen. maybe he was getting ready for what he felt was going to happen this year. dont make it look like you have bad understanding, the debate has never been that Napier wont leave for a job that pays more money.
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(11-16-2020 12:44 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  
(11-15-2020 08:34 PM)MOTIAW Wrote:  I really think Freeze’s second extension (signed just this past week) takes him outta play for a year or two. Would be HUGE money to buy out now. He was at $2 mil/year till ‘23, now (no official numbers released) I believe it’s till ‘25 and rumored to have brought the average up to 3$ mil/yr+.

That’s $15 mil in salary, what would the buyout be? Big enough is the answer, imo. Off market for two years.

Dude that's pocket change in the SEC.



Yes but Gamecocks are shelling out $13 million for Muschamp buyout and $17 million for staff buyout. I'm sure that number would change depending on what job they get to offset that. That on top of Freeze is a lot of money regardless of school. Besides, I think it would be a smarter move if Freeze stayed there until Malzahn gets himself fired. That'll happen sooner than later. Auburn is easier to recruit, and Clemson isn't on your schedule every year.
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(11-16-2020 12:30 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 12:12 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 11:54 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 11:46 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 11:36 AM)iStoopify Wrote:  I'm pretty sure Napier has only turned down the MSU job. And I'm not sure I even believe that, because they went for the big name hire they got in Leach.

Also, SC is a much better job than MSU.

I don't even believe the MSU. I'm sure the links provided will be full of ambiguity and innuendo that are just code for I interviewed but they ultimately went in a different direction. I mean, as good as Napier has been, what SEC school is taking him over Leach?

Why would Napier risk a guaranteed $16 MM angling for a "shortlist" setup. He has a lot of momentum now, but what if the wheels fall off and he has to start over? If he loses momentum he might end up back as an OC in the SEC or worse, HC at Furman. which wouldn't be the end of the world, hes certainly young enough to recover, but what logical person turns down the guaranteed $16 MM.

you really could search for this on your own, instead of throwing out uniformed personal guesses.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/missis...-down-job/

https://www.si.com/college/2020/10/12/lo...lly-napier

Brett Mcmurphy is well respected, so maybe this is true. However, i find it interesting that the SI article doesn't metnion him turning down Miss St, only that Baylor having issues was a "turnoff".

the only point i and other Louisiana fans am making is that Napier was never about only looking for a big payday and jumping on first chance because of it. his actions prove it. Ole Miss had interest and if he only wanted the money he would have interviewed regardless of his game. he doesnt remove his name from MSU if he only about the money. Its widely known he has a short list, he will leave one day, could be this year, but it is/was never going to be just because they can quadruple his salary. At the same time, When the day comes and he leave he will get a big raise in his salary, thats a given.

No one is saying he's jumping at the "first chance". We are saying if offered, he's gone. If he keeps his name in long enough to actually get offered, he's not turning it down. There are plenty of coaches that look at a school or a location or a scenario (like being in the SEC West) and say, nope I'm better off where I am. Having options doesn't mean he's not going to leave for the money. It's a risk/reward scenario. If he goes to MSU, chances are he never gets a second contract there. If he has one more good year at UL this year he gets more options of better places to go.

And BTW..."removing his name from contention" does not mean he turned it down.
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(11-16-2020 01:23 PM)stingingeagle Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 12:44 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  
(11-15-2020 08:34 PM)MOTIAW Wrote:  I really think Freeze’s second extension (signed just this past week) takes him outta play for a year or two. Would be HUGE money to buy out now. He was at $2 mil/year till ‘23, now (no official numbers released) I believe it’s till ‘25 and rumored to have brought the average up to 3$ mil/yr+.

That’s $15 mil in salary, what would the buyout be? Big enough is the answer, imo. Off market for two years.

Dude that's pocket change in the SEC.



Yes but Gamecocks are shelling out $13 million for Muschamp buyout and $17 million for staff buyout. I'm sure that number would change depending on what job they get to offset that. That on top of Freeze is a lot of money regardless of school. Besides, I think it would be a smarter move if Freeze stayed there until Malzahn gets himself fired. That'll happen sooner than later. Auburn is easier to recruit, and Clemson isn't on your schedule every year.

I didn't say Gamecocks, I said SEC 03-wink And you're trading Clemson on your schedule every year for Alabama if he takes the Auburn job.
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(11-16-2020 01:30 PM)KJ Eagle Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 12:30 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 12:12 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 11:54 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 11:46 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  I don't even believe the MSU. I'm sure the links provided will be full of ambiguity and innuendo that are just code for I interviewed but they ultimately went in a different direction. I mean, as good as Napier has been, what SEC school is taking him over Leach?

Why would Napier risk a guaranteed $16 MM angling for a "shortlist" setup. He has a lot of momentum now, but what if the wheels fall off and he has to start over? If he loses momentum he might end up back as an OC in the SEC or worse, HC at Furman. which wouldn't be the end of the world, hes certainly young enough to recover, but what logical person turns down the guaranteed $16 MM.

you really could search for this on your own, instead of throwing out uniformed personal guesses.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/missis...-down-job/

https://www.si.com/college/2020/10/12/lo...lly-napier

Brett Mcmurphy is well respected, so maybe this is true. However, i find it interesting that the SI article doesn't metnion him turning down Miss St, only that Baylor having issues was a "turnoff".

the only point i and other Louisiana fans am making is that Napier was never about only looking for a big payday and jumping on first chance because of it. his actions prove it. Ole Miss had interest and if he only wanted the money he would have interviewed regardless of his game. he doesnt remove his name from MSU if he only about the money. Its widely known he has a short list, he will leave one day, could be this year, but it is/was never going to be just because they can quadruple his salary. At the same time, When the day comes and he leave he will get a big raise in his salary, thats a given.

No one is saying he's jumping at the "first chance". We are saying if offered, he's gone. If he keeps his name in long enough to actually get offered, he's not turning it down. There are plenty of coaches that look at a school or a location or a scenario (like being in the SEC West) and say, nope I'm better off where I am. Having options doesn't mean he's not going to leave for the money. It's a risk/reward scenario. If he goes to MSU, chances are he never gets a second contract there. If he has one more good year at UL this year he gets more options of better places to go.

And BTW..."removing his name from contention" does not mean he turned it down.

You starting to blur the lines of this debate. That is the essence of what is being said, when Louisiana fans say he was going to be picky about the job he took. being picky with options is saying not jumping at the first chance. scroll up and you will see me say, he will not leave only for the money, a lot of other factors matter. When he leave he will make lots more money, that is not a debate topic. how about you show some of these other G5 coaches that behave in a way that removes or publicly remove their name from P5 job searches and essentially not leaving for the money potentially being offered.

I can see you would need a leaked copy of the offer to believe it. publicly removing his name is the professional way of turning them down, it was reported as such, the MSU fans were saying as much, etc. Anyway, how about this, One day Coach Napier will take another job for lots of money and everyone can then happily say they were right that he left when offered more money.
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(11-16-2020 02:18 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 01:23 PM)stingingeagle Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 12:44 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  
(11-15-2020 08:34 PM)MOTIAW Wrote:  I really think Freeze’s second extension (signed just this past week) takes him outta play for a year or two. Would be HUGE money to buy out now. He was at $2 mil/year till ‘23, now (no official numbers released) I believe it’s till ‘25 and rumored to have brought the average up to 3$ mil/yr+.

That’s $15 mil in salary, what would the buyout be? Big enough is the answer, imo. Off market for two years.

Dude that's pocket change in the SEC.



Yes but Gamecocks are shelling out $13 million for Muschamp buyout and $17 million for staff buyout. I'm sure that number would change depending on what job they get to offset that. That on top of Freeze is a lot of money regardless of school. Besides, I think it would be a smarter move if Freeze stayed there until Malzahn gets himself fired. That'll happen sooner than later. Auburn is easier to recruit, and Clemson isn't on your schedule every year.

I didn't say Gamecocks, I said SEC 03-wink And you're trading Clemson on your schedule every year for Alabama if he takes the Auburn job.

I see what you did there! I should've caught that. I think Freeze has beaten Saban more times than any other coach hasn't he? While trading Clemson for Alabama isn't exactly an easy choice, Auburn has a higher ceiling than the Gamecocks IMO. I grew up in Columbia, but let's be real here Gamecocks are a middle of the road team that is neither here nor there. Whatever gamecock fan is left of me which is not a lot, I'm game for Chadwell or Monken (but of course, right?)
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(11-16-2020 06:55 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 06:06 AM)iStoopify Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 05:56 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  
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(11-15-2020 08:16 PM)FrankyP Wrote:  USC is definitely a place where Napier might be interested, but the timing would be wrong right now. He has not achieved enough of his self-set goals at this point to pull him away from UL.

As someone whose team has gotten coaches gone 2x in as many years, if he finds himself on top of their wish list, he’s gone. It’s really that simple.

His goals at ULL don’t matter when they will quadruple or quintuple his salary overnight. Spare yourself the delusion. If they want him, he’s gone and there’s nothing ULL can do about it.
Funny thing is that is almost word for word what people were saying when he was offered the job at moo st a couple years ago.

Look there is no ‘delusion’ among UL fans. At best we will keep BN a year or two more. Everyone knows and accepts this as fact. Will it be now? Quite possible, but I just don’t see it. I mean, first they have to offer it to him.

So stop with that delusion nonsense. You know now not what you speak of.

He gone if they want him. That’s all I’ll say.

Funny thing is that is almost word for word what people were saying when he was offered the job at moo st a couple years ago.

That was LAST year, not 2 years ago.
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(11-16-2020 02:27 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 01:30 PM)KJ Eagle Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 12:30 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 12:12 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 11:54 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  you really could search for this on your own, instead of throwing out uniformed personal guesses.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/missis...-down-job/

https://www.si.com/college/2020/10/12/lo...lly-napier

Brett Mcmurphy is well respected, so maybe this is true. However, i find it interesting that the SI article doesn't metnion him turning down Miss St, only that Baylor having issues was a "turnoff".

the only point i and other Louisiana fans am making is that Napier was never about only looking for a big payday and jumping on first chance because of it. his actions prove it. Ole Miss had interest and if he only wanted the money he would have interviewed regardless of his game. he doesnt remove his name from MSU if he only about the money. Its widely known he has a short list, he will leave one day, could be this year, but it is/was never going to be just because they can quadruple his salary. At the same time, When the day comes and he leave he will get a big raise in his salary, thats a given.

No one is saying he's jumping at the "first chance". We are saying if offered, he's gone. If he keeps his name in long enough to actually get offered, he's not turning it down. There are plenty of coaches that look at a school or a location or a scenario (like being in the SEC West) and say, nope I'm better off where I am. Having options doesn't mean he's not going to leave for the money. It's a risk/reward scenario. If he goes to MSU, chances are he never gets a second contract there. If he has one more good year at UL this year he gets more options of better places to go.

And BTW..."removing his name from contention" does not mean he turned it down.

You starting to blur the lines of this debate. That is the essence of what is being said, when Louisiana fans say he was going to be picky about the job he took. being picky with options is saying not jumping at the first chance. scroll up and you will see me say, he will not leave only for the money, a lot of other factors matter. When he leave he will make lots more money, that is not a debate topic. how about you show some of these other G5 coaches that behave in a way that removes or publicly remove their name from P5 job searches and essentially not leaving for the money potentially being offered.

I can see you would need a leaked copy of the offer to believe it. publicly removing his name is the professional way of turning them down, it was reported as such, the MSU fans were saying as much, etc. Anyway, how about this, One day Coach Napier will take another job for lots of money and everyone can then happily say they were right that he left when offered more money.

Touché!
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(11-16-2020 02:30 PM)stingingeagle Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 02:18 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 01:23 PM)stingingeagle Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 12:44 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  
(11-15-2020 08:34 PM)MOTIAW Wrote:  I really think Freeze’s second extension (signed just this past week) takes him outta play for a year or two. Would be HUGE money to buy out now. He was at $2 mil/year till ‘23, now (no official numbers released) I believe it’s till ‘25 and rumored to have brought the average up to 3$ mil/yr+.

That’s $15 mil in salary, what would the buyout be? Big enough is the answer, imo. Off market for two years.

Dude that's pocket change in the SEC.



Yes but Gamecocks are shelling out $13 million for Muschamp buyout and $17 million for staff buyout. I'm sure that number would change depending on what job they get to offset that. That on top of Freeze is a lot of money regardless of school. Besides, I think it would be a smarter move if Freeze stayed there until Malzahn gets himself fired. That'll happen sooner than later. Auburn is easier to recruit, and Clemson isn't on your schedule every year.

I didn't say Gamecocks, I said SEC 03-wink And you're trading Clemson on your schedule every year for Alabama if he takes the Auburn job.

I see what you did there! I should've caught that. I think Freeze has beaten Saban more times than any other coach hasn't he? While trading Clemson for Alabama isn't exactly an easy choice, Auburn has a higher ceiling than the Gamecocks IMO. I grew up in Columbia, but let's be real here Gamecocks are a middle of the road team that is neither here nor there. Whatever gamecock fan is left of me which is not a lot, I'm game for Chadwell or Monken (but of course, right?)

It would be hard for him to turn down SC but I think you’re right. He brings back pretty much the whole team next year. The schedule is pretty easy. I say 10-2 is likely (pessimistic) and that would roll him right into the Auburn or Tennessee job.
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(11-16-2020 03:15 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
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(11-16-2020 02:18 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  
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(11-16-2020 12:44 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  Dude that's pocket change in the SEC.



Yes but Gamecocks are shelling out $13 million for Muschamp buyout and $17 million for staff buyout. I'm sure that number would change depending on what job they get to offset that. That on top of Freeze is a lot of money regardless of school. Besides, I think it would be a smarter move if Freeze stayed there until Malzahn gets himself fired. That'll happen sooner than later. Auburn is easier to recruit, and Clemson isn't on your schedule every year.

I didn't say Gamecocks, I said SEC 03-wink And you're trading Clemson on your schedule every year for Alabama if he takes the Auburn job.

I see what you did there! I should've caught that. I think Freeze has beaten Saban more times than any other coach hasn't he? While trading Clemson for Alabama isn't exactly an easy choice, Auburn has a higher ceiling than the Gamecocks IMO. I grew up in Columbia, but let's be real here Gamecocks are a middle of the road team that is neither here nor there. Whatever gamecock fan is left of me which is not a lot, I'm game for Chadwell or Monken (but of course, right?)

It would be hard for him to turn down SC but I think you’re right. He brings back pretty much the whole team next year. The schedule is pretty easy. I say 10-2 is likely (pessimistic) and that would roll him right into the Auburn or Tennessee job.

And then at the beginning of next year his QB tears his ACL, his RB breaks his ankle, and he is looking at a 3 win season. Then his opportunity is gone.

You strike when the iron is hot. And the iron in Columbia is hot.
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So the other question I have in this would be is Muschamp done for good as a P5 HC? BTW Freeze addressed the rumors of being on the short list for USC with "you know I don't even know if anybody wants me as a head coach other than Liberty and my only focus is getting them ready for NC State."
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(11-16-2020 02:30 PM)stingingeagle Wrote:  
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(11-16-2020 01:23 PM)stingingeagle Wrote:  Yes but Gamecocks are shelling out $13 million for Muschamp buyout and $17 million for staff buyout. I'm sure that number would change depending on what job they get to offset that. That on top of Freeze is a lot of money regardless of school. Besides, I think it would be a smarter move if Freeze stayed there until Malzahn gets himself fired. That'll happen sooner than later. Auburn is easier to recruit, and Clemson isn't on your schedule every year.

I didn't say Gamecocks, I said SEC 03-wink And you're trading Clemson on your schedule every year for Alabama if he takes the Auburn job.

I see what you did there! I should've caught that. I think Freeze has beaten Saban more times than any other coach hasn't he? While trading Clemson for Alabama isn't exactly an easy choice, Auburn has a higher ceiling than the Gamecocks IMO. I grew up in Columbia, but let's be real here Gamecocks are a middle of the road team that is neither here nor there. Whatever gamecock fan is left of me which is not a lot, I'm game for Chadwell or Monken (but of course, right?)

It would be hard for him to turn down SC but I think you’re right. He brings back pretty much the whole team next year. The schedule is pretty easy. I say 10-2 is likely (pessimistic) and that would roll him right into the Auburn or Tennessee job.

And then at the beginning of next year his QB tears his ACL, his RB breaks his ankle, and he is looking at a 3 win season. Then his opportunity is gone.

You strike when the iron is hot. And the iron in Columbia is hot.

Only if you consider that iron an opportunity. Also, the SEC commissioner has personally vetoed every opportunity from an SEC school that has been offered to Freeze, so who knows. The only reason they have Muschamp was because they were the last school to hire a coach that year and the pickings were slim. This year, they fired the guy before Kiffin's clipboard returned to orbit so if they don't get Freeze, it won't be for lack of trying.
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(11-16-2020 03:46 PM)stingingeagle Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 03:36 PM)iStoopify Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 03:15 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 02:30 PM)stingingeagle Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 02:18 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  I didn't say Gamecocks, I said SEC 03-wink And you're trading Clemson on your schedule every year for Alabama if he takes the Auburn job.

I see what you did there! I should've caught that. I think Freeze has beaten Saban more times than any other coach hasn't he? While trading Clemson for Alabama isn't exactly an easy choice, Auburn has a higher ceiling than the Gamecocks IMO. I grew up in Columbia, but let's be real here Gamecocks are a middle of the road team that is neither here nor there. Whatever gamecock fan is left of me which is not a lot, I'm game for Chadwell or Monken (but of course, right?)

It would be hard for him to turn down SC but I think you’re right. He brings back pretty much the whole team next year. The schedule is pretty easy. I say 10-2 is likely (pessimistic) and that would roll him right into the Auburn or Tennessee job.

And then at the beginning of next year his QB tears his ACL, his RB breaks his ankle, and he is looking at a 3 win season. Then his opportunity is gone.

You strike when the iron is hot. And the iron in Columbia is hot.

Only if you consider that iron an opportunity. Also, the SEC commissioner has personally vetoed every opportunity from an SEC school that has been offered to Freeze, so who knows. The only reason they have Muschamp was because they were the last school to hire a coach that year and the pickings were slim. This year, they fired the guy before Kiffin's clipboard returned to orbit so if they don't get Freeze, it won't be for lack of trying.

Gotcha, I think I thought we were still talking about Napier. Though the iron is not as hot for Freeze, since he's making $3 million ish with lower expectations and pressure than SC.
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(11-16-2020 03:53 PM)iStoopify Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 03:46 PM)stingingeagle Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 03:36 PM)iStoopify Wrote:  
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(11-16-2020 02:30 PM)stingingeagle Wrote:  I see what you did there! I should've caught that. I think Freeze has beaten Saban more times than any other coach hasn't he? While trading Clemson for Alabama isn't exactly an easy choice, Auburn has a higher ceiling than the Gamecocks IMO. I grew up in Columbia, but let's be real here Gamecocks are a middle of the road team that is neither here nor there. Whatever gamecock fan is left of me which is not a lot, I'm game for Chadwell or Monken (but of course, right?)

It would be hard for him to turn down SC but I think you’re right. He brings back pretty much the whole team next year. The schedule is pretty easy. I say 10-2 is likely (pessimistic) and that would roll him right into the Auburn or Tennessee job.

And then at the beginning of next year his QB tears his ACL, his RB breaks his ankle, and he is looking at a 3 win season. Then his opportunity is gone.

You strike when the iron is hot. And the iron in Columbia is hot.

Only if you consider that iron an opportunity. Also, the SEC commissioner has personally vetoed every opportunity from an SEC school that has been offered to Freeze, so who knows. The only reason they have Muschamp was because they were the last school to hire a coach that year and the pickings were slim. This year, they fired the guy before Kiffin's clipboard returned to orbit so if they don't get Freeze, it won't be for lack of trying.

Gotcha, I think I thought we were still talking about Napier. Though the iron is not as hot for Freeze, since he's making $3 million ish with lower expectations and pressure than SC.

My bad, I guess I got lost somewhere in thread. Napier would be the best option on that list if Freeze turns it down.
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(11-16-2020 03:53 PM)iStoopify Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 03:46 PM)stingingeagle Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 03:36 PM)iStoopify Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 03:15 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 02:30 PM)stingingeagle Wrote:  I see what you did there! I should've caught that. I think Freeze has beaten Saban more times than any other coach hasn't he? While trading Clemson for Alabama isn't exactly an easy choice, Auburn has a higher ceiling than the Gamecocks IMO. I grew up in Columbia, but let's be real here Gamecocks are a middle of the road team that is neither here nor there. Whatever gamecock fan is left of me which is not a lot, I'm game for Chadwell or Monken (but of course, right?)

It would be hard for him to turn down SC but I think you’re right. He brings back pretty much the whole team next year. The schedule is pretty easy. I say 10-2 is likely (pessimistic) and that would roll him right into the Auburn or Tennessee job.

And then at the beginning of next year his QB tears his ACL, his RB breaks his ankle, and he is looking at a 3 win season. Then his opportunity is gone.

You strike when the iron is hot. And the iron in Columbia is hot.

Only if you consider that iron an opportunity. Also, the SEC commissioner has personally vetoed every opportunity from an SEC school that has been offered to Freeze, so who knows. The only reason they have Muschamp was because they were the last school to hire a coach that year and the pickings were slim. This year, they fired the guy before Kiffin's clipboard returned to orbit so if they don't get Freeze, it won't be for lack of trying.

Gotcha, I think I thought we were still talking about Napier. Though the iron is not as hot for Freeze, since he's making $3 million ish with lower expectations and pressure than SC.

I’m not saying Hugh wouldn’t take it. I’m not that ignorant lol. I can see the argument for him staying though. Even if we lost Malik and our top back we still have a lot in the tank. Honestly I’d say that would drop us to 9-3. Bennett is more than capable of running his offense. I just think 3+ million a year, a loaded team and a soft schedule makes me question if he wait for someone like Tennessee, Auburn or FSU to come calling. I’ve said for a long time FSU is the one that I could see being a great fit.
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(11-16-2020 02:30 PM)stingingeagle Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 02:18 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  
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(11-15-2020 08:34 PM)MOTIAW Wrote:  I really think Freeze’s second extension (signed just this past week) takes him outta play for a year or two. Would be HUGE money to buy out now. He was at $2 mil/year till ‘23, now (no official numbers released) I believe it’s till ‘25 and rumored to have brought the average up to 3$ mil/yr+.

That’s $15 mil in salary, what would the buyout be? Big enough is the answer, imo. Off market for two years.

Dude that's pocket change in the SEC.



Yes but Gamecocks are shelling out $13 million for Muschamp buyout and $17 million for staff buyout. I'm sure that number would change depending on what job they get to offset that. That on top of Freeze is a lot of money regardless of school. Besides, I think it would be a smarter move if Freeze stayed there until Malzahn gets himself fired. That'll happen sooner than later. Auburn is easier to recruit, and Clemson isn't on your schedule every year.

I didn't say Gamecocks, I said SEC 03-wink And you're trading Clemson on your schedule every year for Alabama if he takes the Auburn job.

I see what you did there! I should've caught that. I think Freeze has beaten Saban more times than any other coach hasn't he? While trading Clemson for Alabama isn't exactly an easy choice, Auburn has a higher ceiling than the Gamecocks IMO. I grew up in Columbia, but let's be real here Gamecocks are a middle of the road team that is neither here nor there. Whatever gamecock fan is left of me which is not a lot, I'm game for Chadwell or Monken (but of course, right?)

Oh I agree with you on this. No one can win in South Carolina. Spurrier tried his best and look what happened LOL.
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(11-15-2020 07:54 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Chadwell may be in the second best job in that state. Unfortunate for Coastal is USC has deeper pockets. No one has ever proven you can win at South Carolina, ever. They have made it to the SEC championship game once in the 28 years they have been in the SEC, and lost to eventual national champion Auburn.

If someone does go into Columbus and bring home a conference championship, they will build a statue for that guy, guaranteed.


Columbia, not Columbus lol
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(11-15-2020 07:18 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  If I remember correctly, SCar is the one job that made Cajuns nervous about losing Napier.

Billy would be a great fit for the 'Cocks. IMO, Napier is good SEC coaching material.
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On Finebaum he said the word out of Columbia is that Fickell and Napier are top 2 candidates
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