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(11-16-2020 03:41 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
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(11-16-2020 02:54 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Looking at the election results, if only a small percentage in some cases a fraction of a percentage of votes are fraudulent then Trump wins in close battleground states. Below shows how little fraud is needed for Biden wins in these states based on total COUNTED votes.

AZ 0.3%
GA 0.28%
WI 0.6%
PA 1.0%

So do Trump lawyers have to prove that much fraud occurred in each of these states, or just enough fraud from a sampling of ballots to show those numbers are likely based on the sampling?

I see what you did there...but using percentages is a fools errand.

Use votes...looks a little different, huh?

AZ - 10,377
GA - 14,155
WI - 20,544
PA - 67,324

I don't believe there's even been over 10k cases of voter fraud proven in the history of our entire nation!

You can have all the feely feels you want, but we're a nation of law & order according to trump, right?

And you have to change like 3 of these states on top of that.

Guys, IT. IS. OVER.

The video tape of the Biden-Harris van in Nevada and workers opening white envelopes and filling in ballots right at the vote counting location IS NOT COMING!

Rudy is not going to find fraud at the landscape business.

So, yes. You have to prove some decent amount of fraud, and then you have to do a hand recount, to determine the actual votes. And they've been doing this in all the states all along, via their canvas as they certify their results. Arizona did a test on 5,000 votes in precincts chosen equally by democrats AND republicans and found ZERO votes that were wrong.

Has the election been certified yet? Oh, I forgot... it hasn't.

Has Trump conceded? Nah.

It's not over. No matter how much you believe that it is.

Powell had some crazy, disturbing details on Rush today. If true, it's going to the SCOTUS... and won't be about individual recounts in different states.
Its pretty generally accepted that Mayor Daley had at least 10,000 dead people vote for JFk and steal Illinois for him in 1960. Its not that hard to do.

Now 160,000 like in Michigan? Unless there is software fraud, that's hard to see.

We've been hearing exactly that - software fraud - for several days now, and that they have proof of Hundreds of Thousands of votes involved.

SHOW ME THE VOTES!!! (as Cuba Gooding would say) I'm hearing, but I'm not seeing yet. With every passing day, I'm thinking that's either fake news or some sort of regression analysis that proves nothing.
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Bullet, even you know that the proof is presented in court during discovery.

It will come out. The timeline is known and is not about satisfying message board warriors like ourselves or the lying MSM. The deadlines are known and it will get out there.
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(11-16-2020 04:11 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Bullet, even you know that the proof is presented in court during discovery.

It will come out. The timeline is known and is not about satisfying message board warriors like ourselves or the lying MSM. The deadlines are known and it will get out there.
As much as I want that to happen, I don't think it's going to materialize.
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RE: Sidney Powell Ready to Release the Kraken
(11-16-2020 03:34 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 03:19 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 03:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 02:54 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Looking at the election results, if only a small percentage in some cases a fraction of a percentage of votes are fraudulent then Trump wins in close battleground states. Below shows how little fraud is needed for Biden wins in these states based on total COUNTED votes.

AZ 0.3%
GA 0.28%
WI 0.6%
PA 1.0%

So do Trump lawyers have to prove that much fraud occurred in each of these states, or just enough fraud from a sampling of ballots to show those numbers are likely based on the sampling?

I see what you did there...but using percentages is a fools errand.

Use votes...looks a little different, huh?

AZ - 10,377
GA - 14,155
WI - 20,544
PA - 67,324

I don't believe there's even been over 10k cases of voter fraud proven in the history of our entire nation!

You can have all the feely feels you want, but we're a nation of law & order according to trump, right?

And you have to change like 3 of these states on top of that.

Guys, IT. IS. OVER.

The video tape of the Biden-Harris van in Nevada and workers opening white envelopes and filling in ballots right at the vote counting location IS NOT COMING!

Rudy is not going to find fraud at the landscape business.

So, yes. You have to prove some decent amount of fraud, and then you have to do a hand recount, to determine the actual votes. And they've been doing this in all the states all along, via their canvas as they certify their results. Arizona did a test on 5,000 votes in precincts chosen equally by democrats AND republicans and found ZERO votes that were wrong.

Has the election been certified yet? Oh, I forgot... it hasn't.

Has Trump conceded? Nah.

It's not over. No matter how much you believe that it is.

Powell had some crazy, disturbing details on Rush today. If true, it's going to the SCOTUS... and won't be about individual recounts in different states.
Its pretty generally accepted that Mayor Daley had at least 10,000 dead people vote for JFk and steal Illinois for him in 1960. Its not that hard to do.

Now 160,000 like in Michigan? Unless there is software fraud, that's hard to see.

That's where I'm most interested. Optimistic? nope. But forensically that would be the place to do some serious looking around.

These connections to private Co's running these machines and servers/storage, no one knows who exactly. The fact that Tx rejected these systems twice in a decade and no one decided to "fix" these things so maybe a BIG-ass place like Tx would sign on?

Why wouldn't they do that? Could all be a lot of noise but no real catastrophe, but I do think it needs to be looked in to.
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RE: Sidney Powell Ready to Release the Kraken
(11-16-2020 03:34 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 03:19 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 03:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 02:54 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Looking at the election results, if only a small percentage in some cases a fraction of a percentage of votes are fraudulent then Trump wins in close battleground states. Below shows how little fraud is needed for Biden wins in these states based on total COUNTED votes.

AZ 0.3%
GA 0.28%
WI 0.6%
PA 1.0%

So do Trump lawyers have to prove that much fraud occurred in each of these states, or just enough fraud from a sampling of ballots to show those numbers are likely based on the sampling?

I see what you did there...but using percentages is a fools errand.

Use votes...looks a little different, huh?

AZ - 10,377
GA - 14,155
WI - 20,544
PA - 67,324

I don't believe there's even been over 10k cases of voter fraud proven in the history of our entire nation!

You can have all the feely feels you want, but we're a nation of law & order according to trump, right?

And you have to change like 3 of these states on top of that.

Guys, IT. IS. OVER.

The video tape of the Biden-Harris van in Nevada and workers opening white envelopes and filling in ballots right at the vote counting location IS NOT COMING!

Rudy is not going to find fraud at the landscape business.

So, yes. You have to prove some decent amount of fraud, and then you have to do a hand recount, to determine the actual votes. And they've been doing this in all the states all along, via their canvas as they certify their results. Arizona did a test on 5,000 votes in precincts chosen equally by democrats AND republicans and found ZERO votes that were wrong.

Has the election been certified yet? Oh, I forgot... it hasn't.

Has Trump conceded? Nah.

It's not over. No matter how much you believe that it is.

Powell had some crazy, disturbing details on Rush today. If true, it's going to the SCOTUS... and won't be about individual recounts in different states.
Its pretty generally accepted that Mayor Daley had at least 10,000 dead people vote for JFk and steal Illinois for him in 1960. Its not that hard to do.

Now 160,000 like in Michigan? Unless there is software fraud, that's hard to see.

Ted Cruz said in his podcast "Verdict" with Michael Knowles that Michigan is a tough one due to the lead Biden has there.

The others are all in play.



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RE: Sidney Powell Ready to Release the Kraken
(11-16-2020 03:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 02:54 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Looking at the election results, if only a small percentage in some cases a fraction of a percentage of votes are fraudulent then Trump wins in close battleground states. Below shows how little fraud is needed for Biden wins in these states based on total COUNTED votes.

AZ 0.3%
GA 0.28%
WI 0.6%
PA 1.0%

So do Trump lawyers have to prove that much fraud occurred in each of these states, or just enough fraud from a sampling of ballots to show those numbers are likely based on the sampling?

I see what you did there...but using percentages is a fools errand.

Use votes...looks a little different, huh?

AZ - 10,377
GA - 14,155
WI - 20,544
PA - 67,324

I don't believe there's even been over 10k cases of voter fraud proven in the history of our entire nation!

You can have all the feely feels you want, but we're a nation of law & order according to trump, right?

And you have to change like 3 of these states on top of that.

Guys, IT. IS. OVER.

The video tape of the Biden-Harris van in Nevada and workers opening white envelopes and filling in ballots right at the vote counting location IS NOT COMING!

Rudy is not going to find fraud at the landscape business.

So, yes. You have to prove some decent amount of fraud, and then you have to do a hand recount, to determine the actual votes. And they've been doing this in all the states all along, via their canvas as they certify their results. Arizona did a test on 5,000 votes in precincts chosen equally by democrats AND republicans and found ZERO votes that were wrong.

Vote totals not that different relative to total votes counted, Philly is a hotbed of voter fraud probably 1million of PA votes came from Philly so fraud in Philly may be all that's needed to put PA in Trump column. Could probably say the same about Atlanta Metro.
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(11-16-2020 04:21 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 03:34 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 03:19 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 03:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 02:54 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Looking at the election results, if only a small percentage in some cases a fraction of a percentage of votes are fraudulent then Trump wins in close battleground states. Below shows how little fraud is needed for Biden wins in these states based on total COUNTED votes.

AZ 0.3%
GA 0.28%
WI 0.6%
PA 1.0%

So do Trump lawyers have to prove that much fraud occurred in each of these states, or just enough fraud from a sampling of ballots to show those numbers are likely based on the sampling?

I see what you did there...but using percentages is a fools errand.

Use votes...looks a little different, huh?

AZ - 10,377
GA - 14,155
WI - 20,544
PA - 67,324

I don't believe there's even been over 10k cases of voter fraud proven in the history of our entire nation!

You can have all the feely feels you want, but we're a nation of law & order according to trump, right?

And you have to change like 3 of these states on top of that.

Guys, IT. IS. OVER.

The video tape of the Biden-Harris van in Nevada and workers opening white envelopes and filling in ballots right at the vote counting location IS NOT COMING!

Rudy is not going to find fraud at the landscape business.

So, yes. You have to prove some decent amount of fraud, and then you have to do a hand recount, to determine the actual votes. And they've been doing this in all the states all along, via their canvas as they certify their results. Arizona did a test on 5,000 votes in precincts chosen equally by democrats AND republicans and found ZERO votes that were wrong.

Has the election been certified yet? Oh, I forgot... it hasn't.

Has Trump conceded? Nah.

It's not over. No matter how much you believe that it is.

Powell had some crazy, disturbing details on Rush today. If true, it's going to the SCOTUS... and won't be about individual recounts in different states.
Its pretty generally accepted that Mayor Daley had at least 10,000 dead people vote for JFk and steal Illinois for him in 1960. Its not that hard to do.

Now 160,000 like in Michigan? Unless there is software fraud, that's hard to see.

That's where I'm most interested. Optimistic? nope. But forensically that would be the place to do some serious looking around.

These connections to private Co's running these machines and servers/storage, no one knows who exactly. The fact that Tx rejected these systems twice in a decade and no one decided to "fix" these things so maybe a BIG-ass place like Tx would sign on?

Why wouldn't they do that? Could all be a lot of noise but no real catastrophe, but I do think it needs to be looked in to.

We know the software made that error on 6,000 votes in Michigan because supposedly a software update wasn't added. It shows that its possible that huge numbers of votes could have been changed or dropped. But that doesn't mean it happened.
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Floyd county GA recounts have determined over 2600 votes missed by dominion. THis county has less than 100K people total, so that is a miss rate thats likely around 5% of all voters.
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(11-16-2020 06:40 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Floyd county GA recounts have determined over 2600 votes missed by dominion. THis county has less than 100K people total, so that is a miss rate thats likely around 5% of all voters.

Link?

That is huge news
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(11-16-2020 07:02 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 06:40 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Floyd county GA recounts have determined over 2600 votes missed by dominion. THis county has less than 100K people total, so that is a miss rate thats likely around 5% of all voters.

Link?

That is huge news


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(11-16-2020 05:18 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 03:34 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 03:19 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 03:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 02:54 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Looking at the election results, if only a small percentage in some cases a fraction of a percentage of votes are fraudulent then Trump wins in close battleground states. Below shows how little fraud is needed for Biden wins in these states based on total COUNTED votes.

AZ 0.3%
GA 0.28%
WI 0.6%
PA 1.0%

So do Trump lawyers have to prove that much fraud occurred in each of these states, or just enough fraud from a sampling of ballots to show those numbers are likely based on the sampling?

I see what you did there...but using percentages is a fools errand.

Use votes...looks a little different, huh?

AZ - 10,377
GA - 14,155
WI - 20,544
PA - 67,324

I don't believe there's even been over 10k cases of voter fraud proven in the history of our entire nation!

You can have all the feely feels you want, but we're a nation of law & order according to trump, right?

And you have to change like 3 of these states on top of that.

Guys, IT. IS. OVER.

The video tape of the Biden-Harris van in Nevada and workers opening white envelopes and filling in ballots right at the vote counting location IS NOT COMING!

Rudy is not going to find fraud at the landscape business.

So, yes. You have to prove some decent amount of fraud, and then you have to do a hand recount, to determine the actual votes. And they've been doing this in all the states all along, via their canvas as they certify their results. Arizona did a test on 5,000 votes in precincts chosen equally by democrats AND republicans and found ZERO votes that were wrong.

Has the election been certified yet? Oh, I forgot... it hasn't.

Has Trump conceded? Nah.

It's not over. No matter how much you believe that it is.

Powell had some crazy, disturbing details on Rush today. If true, it's going to the SCOTUS... and won't be about individual recounts in different states.
Its pretty generally accepted that Mayor Daley had at least 10,000 dead people vote for JFk and steal Illinois for him in 1960. Its not that hard to do.

Now 160,000 like in Michigan? Unless there is software fraud, that's hard to see.

Ted Cruz said in his podcast "Verdict" with Michael Knowles that Michigan is a tough one due to the lead Biden has there.

The others are all in play.





Michigan looks unlikley. Georgia and Arizona looks possible. But the electorial college math looks pretty grim. You have to flip 3 or more states to do it. I just think, even in the face of overwhelming evidence of fraud---I think most courts will be STILL be extremely unlikely to overturn the election. The one viable path I could see a court taking is simply finding that widespread fraud exists and that it is enough to effect the election outcome---but stopping there, suggesting no remedy. That would simply throw the hot potato back into the lap of the legislature, which is exactly where the framers of the constitution placed that power.
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(11-16-2020 06:40 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Floyd county GA recounts have determined over 2600 votes missed by dominion. THis county has less than 100K people total, so that is a miss rate thats likely around 5% of all voters.

What I read is they simply didn't bother to count one box of votes, not that it was a software issue.
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(11-16-2020 07:20 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 06:40 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Floyd county GA recounts have determined over 2600 votes missed by dominion. THis county has less than 100K people total, so that is a miss rate thats likely around 5% of all voters.

What I read is they simply didn't bother to count one box of votes, not that it was a software issue.

I think bullet is closer to the truth.
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(11-16-2020 07:31 PM)Claw Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 07:20 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 06:40 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Floyd county GA recounts have determined over 2600 votes missed by dominion. THis county has less than 100K people total, so that is a miss rate thats likely around 5% of all voters.

What I read is they simply didn't bother to count one box of votes, not that it was a software issue.

I think bullet is closer to the truth.

Although its interesting that it was overwhelmingly Trump in a blue county.
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(11-16-2020 02:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 02:54 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Looking at the election results, if only a small percentage in some cases a fraction of a percentage of votes are fraudulent then Trump wins in close battleground states. Below shows how little fraud is needed for Biden wins in these states based on total COUNTED votes.

AZ 0.3%
GA 0.28%
WI 0.6%
PA 1.0%

So do Trump lawyers have to prove that much fraud occurred in each of these states, or just enough fraud from a sampling of ballots to show those numbers are likely based on the sampling?


I suspect there is enough fraud to affect outcome---however, the chances of ever proving it---especially proving it in just 2 weeks---seems virtually impossible. As Ive said before, in many states---there literally is no longer any way to connect a fraudulent ballot directly to a corresponding Trump or Biden vote. In other words, you can still prove John Q Smiths vote is fraudulent from the evidence on the outer sleeve of the ballot---what you cant tell anymore is who he voted for because the ballot has now been separated from the sleeve and no longer has anything connecting it to that fraudulent outer sleeve (its now an anonymous ballot).

I dont think a court will void the election--even if wide spread fraud was found on mail in ballots. The best I could see them doing is saying there was widespread fraud and that it was wide spread enough to effect the outcome. By doing that, they make a finding of fact--but offer no remedy--thus dumping the issue back into the lap of the various state legislatures (who, unlike judges, are elected representatives of the people).

I doubt you even see a court find fact in anything other than very tiny amounts in certain places. Even if there was proof that fraud existed, no judge worth their salt would say anything unless they saw enough of it that something had to be done.

Courts like to stay out of elections for obvious reasons

I'm not naïve enough to believe there's no fraud present in an election, but I don't believe for a second they could find enough proof of it to justify a judge overturning elections results in a state.

In fact, GOP winning at the local and congressional level in some of these races makes me think there's less voter fraud present than normal. It shows that voters don't necessarily agree with the far right or far left side of politics.
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(11-16-2020 10:18 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 02:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 02:54 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Looking at the election results, if only a small percentage in some cases a fraction of a percentage of votes are fraudulent then Trump wins in close battleground states. Below shows how little fraud is needed for Biden wins in these states based on total COUNTED votes.

AZ 0.3%
GA 0.28%
WI 0.6%
PA 1.0%

So do Trump lawyers have to prove that much fraud occurred in each of these states, or just enough fraud from a sampling of ballots to show those numbers are likely based on the sampling?


I suspect there is enough fraud to affect outcome---however, the chances of ever proving it---especially proving it in just 2 weeks---seems virtually impossible. As Ive said before, in many states---there literally is no longer any way to connect a fraudulent ballot directly to a corresponding Trump or Biden vote. In other words, you can still prove John Q Smiths vote is fraudulent from the evidence on the outer sleeve of the ballot---what you cant tell anymore is who he voted for because the ballot has now been separated from the sleeve and no longer has anything connecting it to that fraudulent outer sleeve (its now an anonymous ballot).

I dont think a court will void the election--even if wide spread fraud was found on mail in ballots. The best I could see them doing is saying there was widespread fraud and that it was wide spread enough to effect the outcome. By doing that, they make a finding of fact--but offer no remedy--thus dumping the issue back into the lap of the various state legislatures (who, unlike judges, are elected representatives of the people).

I doubt you even see a court find fact in anything other than very tiny amounts in certain places. Even if there was proof that fraud existed, no judge worth their salt would say anything unless they saw enough of it that something had to be done.

Courts like to stay out of elections for obvious reasons

I'm not naïve enough to believe there's no fraud present in an election, but I don't believe for a second they could find enough proof of it to justify a judge overturning elections results in a state.

In fact, GOP winning at the local and congressional level in some of these races makes me think there's less voter fraud present than normal. It shows that voters don't necessarily agree with the far right or far left side of politics.

While not a state elections...judges do get involved. If I had to say one way or another if that will happen in the 2020 election. I would say no. But I wouldnt be shocked if enough fraud was found to get the courts involved

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/20/politics/...index.html

Judge invalidates Paterson, NJ, city council election after allegations of mail-in voter fraud


As to the part in bold mail in ballots. If you watched the dump of ballots where the President lost his lead of 100s thousand in a small time frame if I recall correctly it was from mail in ballots. During that same time you did not see other elections having the jump in numbers as the election for President. What I took from that a lot of mail in ballots only voted for President.
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(11-16-2020 10:18 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 02:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 02:54 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Looking at the election results, if only a small percentage in some cases a fraction of a percentage of votes are fraudulent then Trump wins in close battleground states. Below shows how little fraud is needed for Biden wins in these states based on total COUNTED votes.

AZ 0.3%
GA 0.28%
WI 0.6%
PA 1.0%

So do Trump lawyers have to prove that much fraud occurred in each of these states, or just enough fraud from a sampling of ballots to show those numbers are likely based on the sampling?


I suspect there is enough fraud to affect outcome---however, the chances of ever proving it---especially proving it in just 2 weeks---seems virtually impossible. As Ive said before, in many states---there literally is no longer any way to connect a fraudulent ballot directly to a corresponding Trump or Biden vote. In other words, you can still prove John Q Smiths vote is fraudulent from the evidence on the outer sleeve of the ballot---what you cant tell anymore is who he voted for because the ballot has now been separated from the sleeve and no longer has anything connecting it to that fraudulent outer sleeve (its now an anonymous ballot).

I dont think a court will void the election--even if wide spread fraud was found on mail in ballots. The best I could see them doing is saying there was widespread fraud and that it was wide spread enough to effect the outcome. By doing that, they make a finding of fact--but offer no remedy--thus dumping the issue back into the lap of the various state legislatures (who, unlike judges, are elected representatives of the people).

I doubt you even see a court find fact in anything other than very tiny amounts in certain places. Even if there was proof that fraud existed, no judge worth their salt would say anything unless they saw enough of it that something had to be done.

Courts like to stay out of elections for obvious reasons

I'm not naïve enough to believe there's no fraud present in an election, but I don't believe for a second they could find enough proof of it to justify a judge overturning elections results in a state.

In fact, GOP winning at the local and congressional level in some of these races makes me think there's less voter fraud present than normal. It shows that voters don't necessarily agree with the far right or far left side of politics.

This is presidential, so its different, but don't you remember this election-just a couple of years ago the House race in NC was thrown out:

https://www.rollcall.com/2019/02/27/n-c-...g-scandal/
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(11-16-2020 10:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 10:18 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 02:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 02:54 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Looking at the election results, if only a small percentage in some cases a fraction of a percentage of votes are fraudulent then Trump wins in close battleground states. Below shows how little fraud is needed for Biden wins in these states based on total COUNTED votes.

AZ 0.3%
GA 0.28%
WI 0.6%
PA 1.0%

So do Trump lawyers have to prove that much fraud occurred in each of these states, or just enough fraud from a sampling of ballots to show those numbers are likely based on the sampling?


I suspect there is enough fraud to affect outcome---however, the chances of ever proving it---especially proving it in just 2 weeks---seems virtually impossible. As Ive said before, in many states---there literally is no longer any way to connect a fraudulent ballot directly to a corresponding Trump or Biden vote. In other words, you can still prove John Q Smiths vote is fraudulent from the evidence on the outer sleeve of the ballot---what you cant tell anymore is who he voted for because the ballot has now been separated from the sleeve and no longer has anything connecting it to that fraudulent outer sleeve (its now an anonymous ballot).

I dont think a court will void the election--even if wide spread fraud was found on mail in ballots. The best I could see them doing is saying there was widespread fraud and that it was wide spread enough to effect the outcome. By doing that, they make a finding of fact--but offer no remedy--thus dumping the issue back into the lap of the various state legislatures (who, unlike judges, are elected representatives of the people).

I doubt you even see a court find fact in anything other than very tiny amounts in certain places. Even if there was proof that fraud existed, no judge worth their salt would say anything unless they saw enough of it that something had to be done.

Courts like to stay out of elections for obvious reasons

I'm not naïve enough to believe there's no fraud present in an election, but I don't believe for a second they could find enough proof of it to justify a judge overturning elections results in a state.

In fact, GOP winning at the local and congressional level in some of these races makes me think there's less voter fraud present than normal. It shows that voters don't necessarily agree with the far right or far left side of politics.

This is presidential, so its different, but don't you remember this election-just a couple of years ago the House race in NC was thrown out:

https://www.rollcall.com/2019/02/27/n-c-...g-scandal/

I didn't say it doesn't happen, but usually it happens at the local level or in a house race somewhere

At the Presidential level, getting enough votes thrown out to suddenly overturn an election of an entire state? That's exceedingly unlikely.

I'm fine with recounts, and Trump is welcome to file lawsuits if he feels wronged, But there is a very strict time limit at the Presidential level because of the transfer of powers. The odds that he gets more than a few votes thrown out in each state are slim.
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(11-16-2020 09:55 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 07:59 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  That woman is a kook.

You're either on the side of right, or the side of wrong. Which side are you on Leftwing?

There's no reasonable doubt that the election results are tainted due to corruption. There are too many eyewitness accounts, signed affidavits, and empirical data from multiple states to make any reasonable and rational person believe otherwise. The only question unanswered is how many votes were altered or illegally added / deleted, and if it changed the outcome in those states.

Everyone should care enough to want these allegations thoroughly investigated. We can't have this or future elections affected by corruption.

With all of the eyewitness accounts, signed affidavits and empirical data, why can’t Trumps lawyers show that in court? They lose daily it seems and their lawyers are bailing because they can’t produce evidence. Acceptance is the next step I hope you get there sooner rather than later.
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(11-16-2020 11:25 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(11-16-2020 11:16 AM)No Bull Wrote:  
(11-15-2020 03:21 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Well, if you have that one piece that points to fraud and its so clear most people, even stupid people can look at it and say..."that's not right and its fraud". Its time to start putting it out there to start changing peoples opinions.

If you can prove it and you have your hands on it so no one can at this point change the facts...Put it out there, even if its on TV. Or better yet put it before a judge while you have the time to move it up the courts if that judge is one of those that believe their opinions override the law.

Its starting to get late in the game and time to go on offense with provable facts.

Exactly. If there is proof better get it out there. Biden is measuring the drapes in the Oval Office.

Realistically, the math says this is tilting at windmills. Trump needs something big enough to flip at least 3 states or more to get to 270. Other than a software cheat or a judge throwing out a 100k+ votes, that’s not possible. My guess is this is over this week as Trump announces he is halting legal action “for the good of the nation”. That would signal the actual end of the election and Biden officially becoming president elect. By not losing officially in court—Trump can maintain his claim he was cheated in 2020 as a rallying cry for Republicans in 2022 and 2024.

Here is a nightmare scenario for Dems—-what happens if Trump pulls a Hillary? What if Trump moves to a swing state where he then runs for the senate in 2022? How much of a pain in the Democrat butt would Trump be in the Senate? That could be pretty lively.

I think it would be hilarious. But cmon trump would never be a senator, his ego would not allow him to consider it.
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